Considering that Zim has been looking for the next Geno Atkins for some time, perhaps the original shall suffice... 
Quote: @Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
I like the idea, and Zimmer might be in the market for a quick fix.
Depends how the market shapes up. With a decreasing salary cap I can't see a 33 year old interior D-lineman who is relegated to a 4-3 defense having a massive market. That isn't to say he is going to be cheap, but it may be very reasonable. Due to his 2020 injury the Vikings can hide cap in per-game roster bonus' as well.
Quote: @Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
It's not just about getting under the cap, but also freeing up enough space to sign the rookies. I'm guessing $5M-$6M? So, restructuring Thielen & Barr, extending Hunter & Harry, may still not allow Minny to be players in FA.
If you cut Rudy and Shamar... then ask Reiff, Barr, Thielen and Harry to restructure, how does that win a locker room? The Vikings don't need to push all those buttons, I get it, but restructure still needs to happen.
I think Zimmer and Cousins' ability to show great leadership in 2021 could be tested to the core. We all know more cuts and restructures are just around the corner. How will this team respond?
Does bringing Atkins on board rock the locker room boat too much?
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
It's not just about getting under the cap, but also freeing up enough space to sign the rookies. I'm guessing $5M-$6M? So, restructuring Thielen & Barr, extending Hunter & Harry, may still not allow Minny to be players in FA.
If they keep all their picks, they could need as much as $8, but I've always accounted for at least $5 in all the scenarios I've drawn up.
Quote: @Carl Knowles said:
If you cut Rudy and Shamar... then ask Reiff, Barr, Thielen and Harry to restructure, how does that win a locker room?
You're not thinking of it correctly. You're not asking for pay cuts. For example, players don't even have to be involved in the decision to convert salary to bonus. Why? Because they love it. They get a huge paycheck and it doesn't change their salary. Only the cap. Kendricks and Thielen are good candidates for that. It kicks some money into future years so you do it only with players you really really want to keep around. And you don't do a lot of it.
I seriously doubt the Vikings ask Reiff to take a pay cut. He will either be extended, released or traded. All of which save us money.
Harry isn't a restructure either. He'd be an extension. He had a pretty good season and doesn't look like he's slowing down much. But you can't go too far: 2 or 3 more years at most. So you're not going to trim too much on that one.
Undecided on Barr. His contract might just remain as is. But yes, Rudy, Shamar and Bailey are prime cut candidates. And I have no clue why that would have any sort of impact on the locker room.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
It's not just about getting under the cap, but also freeing up enough space to sign the rookies. I'm guessing $5M-$6M? So, restructuring Thielen & Barr, extending Hunter & Harry, may still not allow Minny to be players in FA.
If they keep all their picks, they could need as much as $8, but I've always accounted for at least $5 in all the scenarios I've drawn up.
They need $3 to 3.5M if they keep all their picks.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
It's not just about getting under the cap, but also freeing up enough space to sign the rookies. I'm guessing $5M-$6M? So, restructuring Thielen & Barr, extending Hunter & Harry, may still not allow Minny to be players in FA.
If they keep all their picks, they could need as much as $8, but I've always accounted for at least $5 in all the scenarios I've drawn up.
They need $3 to 3.5M if they keep all their picks.
Wow, that seems awfully low. But I'll take it.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
@BarrNone55 Creative title... but he might be too rich for my taste palate. Meaning I don't think the Vikings can afford him unless Zimmer can do some serious recruiting and convince him to play for pennies in Minnesota.
Vikings can afford pretty much anything they want. Just depends on how many sacrifices they're willing to make.
Rudy, Shamar, Bailey? OK, now we're under the cap. Reiff? Now that's a much harder pill to swallow. But if they think Cleveland is ready to start at LT (or O'Neill), then there's another $12M. Convert some salary to bonus for Thielen, Barr? Another $2 to $4. Add years to Hunter, maybe Harry? Another $4 to $6.
Now, of course, the Vikings aren't going to be willing to do all of this, but they'll have to do some of it. So we'll just have to wait and see how much.
The key to this whole thing and what is probably keeping Rick up at night is Riley Reiff. How do you let our best lineman walk? On the other hand, $12M is one huge chunk of change that will be hard to ignore a year after drafting Reiff's heir apparent.
It's not just about getting under the cap, but also freeing up enough space to sign the rookies. I'm guessing $5M-$6M? So, restructuring Thielen & Barr, extending Hunter & Harry, may still not allow Minny to be players in FA.
If they keep all their picks, they could need as much as $8, but I've always accounted for at least $5 in all the scenarios I've drawn up.
They need $3 to 3.5M if they keep all their picks.
Javon Kinlaw (the 14th pick last year) had a rookie cap hit of 2.8 mil.
I think you need more than 3.5 million in cap space to sign all the draft picks.
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