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The Pocket Passer seems to be doing fine.
#31
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@purplefaithful said:
No, that Buc's team doesnt appear to be a dynasty. But what a nice set of moves by the coaching and front office to put that mix of talent on the field. 

I'm hurting today if I am a Chiefs fan, but very hopeful for the coming years with Mahomes. Not to mention Hill/Kelcy/Elair and some really nice D pieces. 
Not so sure about the Chiefs' dynasty. Mahomes' salary is OK for another year, I believe, but then starts to climb. Spotrac estimates them over the cap by $11M in 2021. Also, they have at least a couple guys - Tyreek Hill, Tyrann Mathieu - who could have off-field blowups any time.

Is the shine off Andy Reid or Eric Bienemy because of that loss? They knew what Mahomes' condition was and who was hurt on their OL, and didn't seem to have any want to compensate for it. No second-half adjustments either.

Agreed that Tampa's current roster isn't a long-term dynasty either. But would you take 2 Championships in 20 years rather than eternal "we're pretty good" teams?
I think you know the answer to that one... Wink
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#32
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@Jor-El said:
@purplefaithful said:
No, that Buc's team doesnt appear to be a dynasty. But what a nice set of moves by the coaching and front office to put that mix of talent on the field. 

I'm hurting today if I am a Chiefs fan, but very hopeful for the coming years with Mahomes. Not to mention Hill/Kelcy/Elair and some really nice D pieces. 
Not so sure about the Chiefs' dynasty. Mahomes' salary is OK for another year, I believe, but then starts to climb. Spotrac estimates them over the cap by $11M in 2021. Also, they have at least a couple guys - Tyreek Hill, Tyrann Mathieu - who could have off-field blowups any time.

Is the shine off Andy Reid or Eric Bienemy because of that loss? They knew what Mahomes' condition was and who was hurt on their OL, and didn't seem to have any want to compensate for it. No second-half adjustments either.

Agreed that Tampa's current roster isn't a long-term dynasty either. But would you take 2 Championships in 20 years rather than eternal "we're pretty good" teams?
gotta win the first one to have a shot at a dynasty...  but damn it would suck to finally drink from that cup and then become irrelevant for 5+ years because of the resources that were burned to get there.
I'd take that in a heart-beat after waiting 46 years (!!!) to play in a SB again. 


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#33
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@Jor-El said:
@purplefaithful said:
No, that Buc's team doesnt appear to be a dynasty. But what a nice set of moves by the coaching and front office to put that mix of talent on the field. 

I'm hurting today if I am a Chiefs fan, but very hopeful for the coming years with Mahomes. Not to mention Hill/Kelcy/Elair and some really nice D pieces. 
Not so sure about the Chiefs' dynasty. Mahomes' salary is OK for another year, I believe, but then starts to climb. Spotrac estimates them over the cap by $11M in 2021. Also, they have at least a couple guys - Tyreek Hill, Tyrann Mathieu - who could have off-field blowups any time.

Is the shine off Andy Reid or Eric Bienemy because of that loss? They knew what Mahomes' condition was and who was hurt on their OL, and didn't seem to have any want to compensate for it. No second-half adjustments either.

Agreed that Tampa's current roster isn't a long-term dynasty either. But would you take 2 Championships in 20 years rather than eternal "we're pretty good" teams?
gotta win the first one to have a shot at a dynasty...  but damn it would suck to finally drink from that cup and then become irrelevant for 5+ years because of the resources that were burned to get there.
I'd take that in a heart-beat after waiting 46 years (!!!) to play in a SB again. 


I think most would,  but then we would be like those long time cheese heads of the 80s that talked about their glories of years past.
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#34


Patrick Mahomes might be the brightest star in the NFL today, but greatness only comes with time
Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback I've ever seen, but his chances of ever becoming acknowledged as the greatest quarterback in NFL history took a helmet to the chin on Sunday.

Because judging the greatest can't simply be a function of opinion, or feelings. Facts have to be invited into the discussion. After Tom Brady guided the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a 31-9 victory over Mahomes' Chiefs in Super Bowl LV in Tampa, Mahomes' chances of catching Brady in the argument-ending category of Super Bowl victories became as remote as Bill Belichick throwing a parade for his former quarterback.
Brady is 7-3 in Super Bowls, giving him more championships than any franchise, and he's not retiring. Mahomes has won one Super Bowl.
Brady has won more Super Bowl MVP awards than any other quarterback has won Super Bowls as a starter. With his seventh Super Bowl victory as a starting quarterback, Brady may have set the rare unbreakable sports record.
Had the Chiefs won on Sunday, Mahomes would have cut Brady's advantage in Super Bowl victories to 6-2. At 25, with the likelihood of a long career in creative offenses ahead of him, four more Super Bowls would seem like a reasonable goal.
But after Sunday's loss, Mahomes now needs to win six more to tie Brady, and Brady is the only quarterback who has ever won more than four. Even great players who enjoyed long careers for dynastic teams, like Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw, couldn't win more than four.
The Chiefs' loss also highlighted all of the ways a Super Bowl can go wrong for a quarterback, in ways that a quarterback can't control.
During the week, Britt Reid, the son of Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, admitted to having consumed alcohol before getting into an auto accident that left a 5-year-old with brain damage. How did that tragedy affect the Chiefs? There is no way of knowing, but the Chiefs were outcoached.
The Bucs received the benefit of a slew of borderline penalties that extended their drives and led to points. Another negated an interception of Brady.
Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce dropped a couple of key passes, and Mecole Hardman seemed unaware of a couple of important passes, and Darrel Williams dropped a touchdown, and the Chiefs' injury-depleted offensive line gave Mahomes little time. His scrambling and running produced a few first downs but not the touchdowns Kansas City needed to stay in the game.
The Chiefs' injuries and mistakes, along with Brady's accuracy, led to a first for Brady: a blowout victory in the Super Bowl.
He had never before won by more than six, and that six-point victory came in overtime after the Patriots overcame a 25-point deficit against Atlanta.
He had never won a Super Bowl by more than four points in regulation.
And he had never played on a team that held a Super Bowl opponent to fewer than 17 points.
In three consecutive postseason games, he beat Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes.
Years from now, the circumstances will hardly matter. History will remember this story: Brady left a slumping dynasty and won a Super Bowl in his first year with a team that went 7-9 the year before he arrived to win his seventh title.
Brady didn't need another Super Bowl title to burnish his resume. He was already the most accomplished quarterback in NFL history. What he did on Sunday was preempt arguments for years, perhaps decades, to come.
Sunday night, standing on yet another stage, amid another batch of confetti, Brady looked at a sea of teammates and said, "We came together at the right time. I think we knew this was going to happen, right?''
He said of his Patriots championships: "I'm not making any comparisons.''
Mahomes remains my favorite quarterback to watch, the quarterback I would want to build a team around.
But Brady has facts on his side. Who knows when or if that will change?
https://www.startribune.com/patrick-maho...600020380/
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#35
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@Zanary said:
...aaaand, that's a wrap.  Amazing what an offense can do when the QB has a few precious seconds to make reads/decisions.
Im not saying our OL is adequate,  but the stats paint a different picture in how long KC has in the pocket vs other QBs.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/y...vanced.htm

This has Cousins tied for 2nd in the league with time in the pocket.  Of course it also has him near the top of the chart in pressures per dropback.  The OL could certainly use improvements, very few have banged the table for OL and DL more than myself,   but Kirk needs to help himself and his OL but learning to move in the pocket,  often he is a statue at the top of his drop and that doesnt allow much for his OTs to work with in terms of being able to redirect the DEs,  and when he does step up its often at an inopportune time where the OTs are left exposed to an easy inside move.  Kirk makes a fair amount of plays by hanging onto the ball and keeping his eyes down field,  but I think that brings a fair amount of the hits and sacks onto him as a contributing factor.  If we ever expect to see a Brady type performance on a big stage from Cousins,   its going to take a real effort to improve the OL and I dont know if the money or draft picks are there for that.
^^^This^^^ Brady is a master at moving around in the pocket & buying additional time. KC - not so much. Maybe it's instincts. Maybe it's the "it" factor that some QBs seem to have. But, it's obvious by now that KC doesn't have "it."  
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#37
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
https://twitter.com/DustBaker/status/135...87813?s=20
7/8 also have HOF QBs. Gotta be good on both sides of the ball for sure. 
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#38
Quote: @pattersaur said:
7/8 also have HOF QBs. Gotta be good on both sides of the ball for sure. 
and New England doesnt really count coming from their division where they get 6 games against what have been some of the worst teams over the last 20 years in the Jets, Phins, and Bills.
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#39
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
KC playing with a decimated OL. 

Well we’ve been trying to tell Rick for how many damn years now...!  Wink B)
(Oh you probably meant Kansas City, my bad!)  
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#40

Quote: @Zanary said:
So, umm...yeah, it seems like the assumptions regarding needing a Mahomes/Wilson/Watson mobile QB to remain competitive are a bit overhyped.

Maybe, just maybe, having the best overall team is better than trying to trade the farm instead of fixing problems?

Discuss.

Yeah, but you’ve really got to hit on the #199th pick to make it work, right...?!  =) 
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