Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Well it's a step in the right direction, there is no single one off solution. In my opinion poverty is the most insidious threat to our social structure. From what I know and what I have observed being born into poverty is almost inescapable, the odds are not in your favor. That is one reason I feel so strong about this, it's no panacea, but is a step in the right direction. The current 7.25 is just an unnecessary additional barrier.
Less than half the country recognizes that 7.25 minimum, hell some states have minimums lower that the federal standars ( not even sure how that is legal) so what is to be gained ? Leave wages up to local markets or at a minimum state guidelines and push for federal education standards and family relocation supports. Put the money into preparing people for jobs, and put the money into people where the jobs are.
What do you mean "federal education standards" wouldn't that take the parents and local school boards out of it. Will it include sex education, so we can keep folk out "breed and feed" cycle? What are these "family relocation supports", relocation has always been part of any job offer I have received or offered in the last forty years, so it won't be employer based anymore, it will come out of your taxes? This money preparing people for job's, would that be like subsidized tuition, no more student loans, just pay for their schooling? I think I heard of that somewhere, should we make it retro active perhaps?
Please expound this sounds like the details will be interesting.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Well it's a step in the right direction, there is no single one off solution. In my opinion poverty is the most insidious threat to our social structure. From what I know and what I have observed being born into poverty is almost inescapable, the odds are not in your favor. That is one reason I feel so strong about this, it's no panacea, but is a step in the right direction. The current 7.25 is just an unnecessary additional barrier.
Less than half the country recognizes that 7.25 minimum, hell some states have minimums lower that the federal standars ( not even sure how that is legal) so what is to be gained ? Leave wages up to local markets or at a minimum state guidelines and push for federal education standards and family relocation supports. Put the money into preparing people for jobs, and put the money into people where the jobs are.
What do you mean "federal education standards" wouldn't that take the parents and local school boards out of it. Will it include sex education, so we can keep folk out "breed and feed" cycle? What are these "family relocation supports", relocation has always been part of any job offer I have received or offered in the last forty years, so it won't be employer based anymore, it will come out of your taxes? This money preparing people for job's, would that be like subsidized tuition, no more student loans, just pay for their schooling? I think I heard of that somewhere, should we make it retro active perhaps?
Please expound this sounds like the details will be interesting.
there are already federal standards and mandates that local school and state school boards teach/adhere to if they want their funding. your assumption on relocation supports shows your narrow view of reality, there are a lot of decent paying jobs out there that do not cover relocation, they are called blue collar jobs, and yes I would rather the govt pay to move a family from some place with no opportunities to a place where they could support themselves, than to keep them caged up in govt housing in places with little to no employment opportunities thus keeping them living on the govt tit.
as far as tuition.. no I dont support paying back existing loans for people that already have debt, i would consider a program that would offer tax breaks to companies that hire these people and offer to help them pay back their student loans. but there are far to many people going to college and racking up massive debts getting degrees that are not needed, why reward stupidity? ( I dont believe in bail outs for anybody's error in judgement whether its personal or business or wall street, we best learn by dealing with the consequences of our actions and choices) and that program would be helping a lot of people that dont need it. use that money to help people get trained/educated in the fields that we actually have needs for in this country, open up trade schools in areas of high unemployment and then help them find work in other areas, and then help them move there to get a start on a real opportunity for self sufficiency instead of another generation of dependency.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Well it's a step in the right direction, there is no single one off solution. In my opinion poverty is the most insidious threat to our social structure. From what I know and what I have observed being born into poverty is almost inescapable, the odds are not in your favor. That is one reason I feel so strong about this, it's no panacea, but is a step in the right direction. The current 7.25 is just an unnecessary additional barrier.
Less than half the country recognizes that 7.25 minimum, hell some states have minimums lower that the federal standars ( not even sure how that is legal) so what is to be gained ? Leave wages up to local markets or at a minimum state guidelines and push for federal education standards and family relocation supports. Put the money into preparing people for jobs, and put the money into people where the jobs are.
What do you mean "federal education standards" wouldn't that take the parents and local school boards out of it. Will it include sex education, so we can keep folk out "breed and feed" cycle? What are these "family relocation supports", relocation has always been part of any job offer I have received or offered in the last forty years, so it won't be employer based anymore, it will come out of your taxes? This money preparing people for job's, would that be like subsidized tuition, no more student loans, just pay for their schooling? I think I heard of that somewhere, should we make it retro active perhaps?
Please expound this sounds like the details will be interesting.
On sex ed. You cannot honestly be prolife and not be all about teaching as much about sex as possible. I'm all for so dang much sex education that the kids would literally know everything about it. We should have jars of condoms at every school and public building. Birth control pills should be free to anyone anywhere that wants them.
The best way to reduce abortion is to not put people in the place that they need one.
I cannot find mention of $15 minimum wage in the reconciliation package the D's pushed through yesterday. Any of you?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
I cannot find mention of $15 minimum wage in the reconciliation package the D's pushed through yesterday. Any of you?
That's not a government budget item therefore not eligible for reconciliation type passage. Reconciliation is only for budget issues, like multi billion dollar revenue abatements.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Well it's a step in the right direction, there is no single one off solution. In my opinion poverty is the most insidious threat to our social structure. From what I know and what I have observed being born into poverty is almost inescapable, the odds are not in your favor. That is one reason I feel so strong about this, it's no panacea, but is a step in the right direction. The current 7.25 is just an unnecessary additional barrier.
Less than half the country recognizes that 7.25 minimum, hell some states have minimums lower that the federal standars ( not even sure how that is legal) so what is to be gained ? Leave wages up to local markets or at a minimum state guidelines and push for federal education standards and family relocation supports. Put the money into preparing people for jobs, and put the money into people where the jobs are.
What do you mean "federal education standards" wouldn't that take the parents and local school boards out of it. Will it include sex education, so we can keep folk out "breed and feed" cycle? What are these "family relocation supports", relocation has always been part of any job offer I have received or offered in the last forty years, so it won't be employer based anymore, it will come out of your taxes? This money preparing people for job's, would that be like subsidized tuition, no more student loans, just pay for their schooling? I think I heard of that somewhere, should we make it retro active perhaps?
Please expound this sounds like the details will be interesting.
there are already federal standards and mandates that local school and state school boards teach/adhere to if they want their funding. your assumption on relocation supports shows your narrow view of reality, there are a lot of decent paying jobs out there that do not cover relocation, they are called blue collar jobs, and yes I would rather the govt pay to move a family from some place with no opportunities to a place where they could support themselves, than to keep them caged up in govt housing in places with little to no employment opportunities thus keeping them living on the govt tit.
as far as tuition.. no I dont support paying back existing loans for people that already have debt, i would consider a program that would offer tax breaks to companies that hire these people and offer to help them pay back their student loans. but there are far to many people going to college and racking up massive debts getting degrees that are not needed, why reward stupidity? ( I dont believe in bail outs for anybody's error in judgement whether its personal or business or wall street, we best learn by dealing with the consequences of our actions and choices) and that program would be helping a lot of people that dont need it. use that money to help people get trained/educated in the fields that we actually have needs for in this country, open up trade schools in areas of high unemployment and then help them find work in other areas, and then help them move there to get a start on a real opportunity for self sufficiency instead of another generation of dependency.
For minimum wage job's relocation, will that cover temporary living expenses, or just moving costs between subsidized housing. Who's going to determine opportunity vs non opportunity locations', government headhunters. I don't think the market place will support this with out some oversite. Seems your kind of talking about migrant worker programs like WPA or Ag labor, for min wage restaurant workers. As far as the mandates, how's that working?
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
I cannot find mention of $15 minimum wage in the reconciliation package the D's pushed through yesterday. Any of you?
That's not a government budget item therefore not eligible for reconciliation type passage. Reconciliation is only for budget issues, like multi billion dollar revenue abatements.
Lol, neither is most the shit that gets pushed through from both sides through reconciliation.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Well it's a step in the right direction, there is no single one off solution. In my opinion poverty is the most insidious threat to our social structure. From what I know and what I have observed being born into poverty is almost inescapable, the odds are not in your favor. That is one reason I feel so strong about this, it's no panacea, but is a step in the right direction. The current 7.25 is just an unnecessary additional barrier.
Less than half the country recognizes that 7.25 minimum, hell some states have minimums lower that the federal standars ( not even sure how that is legal) so what is to be gained ? Leave wages up to local markets or at a minimum state guidelines and push for federal education standards and family relocation supports. Put the money into preparing people for jobs, and put the money into people where the jobs are.
What do you mean "federal education standards" wouldn't that take the parents and local school boards out of it. Will it include sex education, so we can keep folk out "breed and feed" cycle? What are these "family relocation supports", relocation has always been part of any job offer I have received or offered in the last forty years, so it won't be employer based anymore, it will come out of your taxes? This money preparing people for job's, would that be like subsidized tuition, no more student loans, just pay for their schooling? I think I heard of that somewhere, should we make it retro active perhaps?
Please expound this sounds like the details will be interesting.
there are already federal standards and mandates that local school and state school boards teach/adhere to if they want their funding. your assumption on relocation supports shows your narrow view of reality, there are a lot of decent paying jobs out there that do not cover relocation, they are called blue collar jobs, and yes I would rather the govt pay to move a family from some place with no opportunities to a place where they could support themselves, than to keep them caged up in govt housing in places with little to no employment opportunities thus keeping them living on the govt tit.
as far as tuition.. no I dont support paying back existing loans for people that already have debt, i would consider a program that would offer tax breaks to companies that hire these people and offer to help them pay back their student loans. but there are far to many people going to college and racking up massive debts getting degrees that are not needed, why reward stupidity? ( I dont believe in bail outs for anybody's error in judgement whether its personal or business or wall street, we best learn by dealing with the consequences of our actions and choices) and that program would be helping a lot of people that dont need it. use that money to help people get trained/educated in the fields that we actually have needs for in this country, open up trade schools in areas of high unemployment and then help them find work in other areas, and then help them move there to get a start on a real opportunity for self sufficiency instead of another generation of dependency.
For minimum wage job's relocation, will that cover temporary living expenses, or just moving costs between subsidized housing. Who's going to determine opportunity vs non opportunity locations', government headhunters. I don't think the market place will support this with out some oversite. Seems your kind of talking about migrant worker programs like WPA or Ag labor, for min wage restaurant workers. As far as the mandates, how's that working?
no. i am not talking about relocating people for minimum wage jobs, i am talking about getting people trained for better jobs. you know, so your single mother doesnt have to try and pay child care and rent on a minimum wage, and once she is adequately trained for a higher paying position, if its not available locally helping her financially to relocate to where her new skills are needed.
existing mandates arent adequate and arent working, thus my original statement to push for better federal education standards, maybe if they werent so hell bent on re writing history they would be able to focus on preparing our youth for a lifetime of paying their own way.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
also, few industries have been hit harder from the covid shutdowns than the restaurant business, which is typically teetering on collapse in a good year, very few industries rely on low wage employees more than the restaurant industry... is right now really the best time to drive that dagger into an already suffering industry?
It will be interesting. So Florida passed the increase in minimum wage to $15 over the next 6 years. So restaurants will raise their food prices and people will stop tipping wait staff (or at least severely reduce it)....and the wait staff will be the big losers. Say a waiter works from 6 pm to 12 pm: 6 X $15 equals $90. That same shift the waiter at a decent to nice restaurant could easily make at a minimum $200 (low estimate for Friday or Saturday night) + the $8.56 an hour old minimum. That equals $251.36. I wonder which they'd prefer?
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
also, few industries have been hit harder from the covid shutdowns than the restaurant business, which is typically teetering on collapse in a good year, very few industries rely on low wage employees more than the restaurant industry... is right now really the best time to drive that dagger into an already suffering industry?
It will be interesting. So Florida passed the increase in minimum wage to $15 over the next 6 years. So restaurants will raise their food prices and people will stop tipping wait staff (or at least severely reduce it)....and the wait staff will be the big losers. Say a waiter works from 6 pm to 12 pm: 6 X $15 equals $90. That same shift the waiter at a decent to nice restaurant could easily make at a minimum $200 (low estimate for Friday or Saturday night) + the $8.56 an hour old minimum. That equals $251.36. I wonder which they'd prefer?
hell, in a lot of areas wait staff dont even make minimum wage, but I know of restaurant owners that have said they have had good waitresses make more than they do at years end when they add in their tips. edit" of course those are cash tips in many instances and those dont get reported, at least not 100%. there is so much unreported cash income in this country, I know of some business owners that have 2nd and 3rd homes and have their kids on free or reduced lunches at school. sickening.
|
