Quote: @Carl Knowles said:
Kendricks is one of the best linebackers in the NFL because Shamar knows how to keep him clean from blocks. Don't think Shamar has ever been in Zim's dog house? Zimmer wanted him back for a reason and it wasn't because of stats.
Shamar is a smart and disciplined gap player, but he can't rush the passer. You bring in a guy like Pierce to be your run stopper so you can pair him with a 3T who can get inside pressure. That sure as hell ain't Shamar Stephen. He's had a good long career, one helluva run for a 7th rounder, but it's over in Minnesota.
QB if you think there’s someone with the potential to be
elite, because elite QBs are the most sure path to a SB
BPA if there’s someone that’s head and shoulder above the
other available prospects
But for positional need, it’s purely in the trenches or
perhaps a replacement for Barr that spot opens up. I would argue for a 3T over a DE if two equal
candidates were available. I’m guessing
with our lack of a 2nd we might have to look at free agency for a
low priced but competent OG, and if we cut Reiff we need to bring in two guys
not just his replacement, which I feel like I shouldn’t have to say, but we
like to bring in one less guy than we need.
Honestly, Rick does a pretty exceptional job of drafting. Compared to other GM’s, I think he ranks right up there with the best.
As most have said, 1st round BPA is the way to go and the way we usually go thankfully. In my opinion though, somehow, that pass rush must get fixed. Granted, no Pierce and no Hunter was a difficult circumstance. They are not players you easily replace. I actually like Shamar for his ability to do his role well. Like others though, I see the need for a penetrating DT as paramount. I see Stephen as a back up.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
After this passed draft class, people still whine about Rick. Unfucking believable.
Sigh.
Well, there are two sides to every argument, aren't there? Sometimes the "whiners" might be getting begged into a fight by someone who takes any opportunity, even a thread about the talent pool in the draft, to get up on a rock and loudly shout, "My beloved Rick Spielman walks on water and I dare anyone to say otherwise!!"
If you want to start a post about evaluating Spielman, let's go. But there are many things to rating how a GM builds a team: trades (e.g., Bradford and Ngakoue), free agents (Linvalle Joseph, Alex Boone), salary management (amazing magic or pushing a growing mountain of dead cap into a fast-approaching future), hiring coaches (yes dogma absolves Spielman of any responsibility before Zimmer and certainly of the OC carousel), finding a quarterback (and how many attempts he deserves), and...yes the draft.
Because a person could be a good drafter but maybe he should be the head of scouting, not the GM.
And if you do want to turn this thread into a debate on his drafting, we have to ask if he will have another great draft next year - or if it's a once-every-five-years stroke of luck like 2015. Will he follow it up with something like his 2016 disaster (Treadwell, Alexander, Beavers, MoBo)? Will we have another stretch like 2016-19 which has given the team exactly 3 starters (O'Neill, Cook, Bradbury)? Will he add more of the round 1-3 picks where he has historically done best - or try again to exceed his own record for most picks in the crapshoot of rounds 4-7?
Personally, I can quit assessing Spielman for a while. Season ended, the Wilfs are keeping him...I'll let 2021 play out and see who is right. But I guess a few people made cracks about how this team loves to draft CBs, and that cannot be tolerated.
Results will judge Spielman better than any of us.
@ Jor-El What is the title of the thread? Did I say he was infallible? JFC.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Carl Knowles said:
Kendricks is one of the best linebackers in the NFL because Shamar knows how to keep him clean from blocks. Don't think Shamar has ever been in Zim's dog house? Zimmer wanted him back for a reason and it wasn't because of stats.
Shamar is a smart and disciplined gap player, but he can't rush the passer. You bring in a guy like Pierce to be your run stopper so you can pair him with a 3T who can get inside pressure. That sure as hell ain't Shamar Stephen. He's had a good long career, one helluva run for a 7th rounder, but it's over in Minnesota.
Agreed....We're over the cap & cutting Shamar is an obvious target to help Minny get under.
If one of the top 4 QBs slides to #14, that's a no-brainer for me assuming that Minny thinks that player can be QBOTF. But, let me throw out a name not mentioned yet:
Alijah Vera Tucker from USC
He's a plug & play OG. I've seen him mocked in the 11 - 16 range, so not a huge reach, if at all.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
If one of the top 4 QBs slides to #14, that's a no-brainer for me assuming that Minny thinks that player can be QBOTF. But, let me throw out a name not mentioned yet:
Alijah Vera Tucker from USC
He's a plug & play OG. I've seen him mocked in the 11 - 16 range, so not a huge reach, if at all.
 another poster and myself brought up Tucker on this thread
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
If one of the top 4 QBs slides to #14, that's a no-brainer for me assuming that Minny thinks that player can be QBOTF. But, let me throw out a name not mentioned yet:
Alijah Vera Tucker from USC
He's a plug & play OG. I've seen him mocked in the 11 - 16 range, so not a huge reach, if at all.
Along with Slater, I'm really interested in what he measures out at. Definitely a guy you plug in Day 1 at LG.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ Knucklehead said:
If one of the top 4 QBs slides to #14, that's a no-brainer for me assuming that Minny thinks that player can be QBOTF. But, let me throw out a name not mentioned yet:
Alijah Vera Tucker from USC
He's a plug & play OG. I've seen him mocked in the 11 - 16 range, so not a huge reach, if at all.
another poster and myself brought up Tucker on this thread
I hate when that happens. 
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