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Biden's win hides a dire warning for Democrats in rural U.S.While Democrats powered through cities and suburbs to reclaim the White House, the party slid further behind in huge rural swaths of northern battlegrounds.
By THOMAS BEAUMONT Associated PressNovember 27, 2020 — 6:13pm
DES MOINES, Iowa — Democrats once dominated Koochiching County in the blue-collar Iron Range of northern Minnesota. But in this month's presidential election, President Donald Trump won it with 60% of the vote.

That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.
“We’ve got to see if we can get the Democratic Party to moderate and accept the fact that rural Minnesota is not getting more conservative,” said Bakk, who announced last week that he would become an independent after serving 25 years as a Democrat. "It’s that you guys are leaving them behind.”
While Democrats powered through cities and suburbs to reclaim the White House, the party slid further behind in huge rural swaths of northern battlegrounds. The party lost House seats in the Midwest, and Democratic challengers in Iowa, Kansas, Montana and North Carolina Senate races, all once viewed as serious threats to Republican incumbents, fell, some of them hard.
Though Democrats’ rural woes aren’t new, they now heap pressure on Biden to begin reversing the trend. Failure to do so endangers goals such as curbing climate change and winning a Senate majority, especially with GOP Senate seats in Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin up in 2022.
“The pressure for Democrats has to be on conveying an economic message for rural America,” said Iowa Democrat John Norris, a former candidate for governor. “We have a great one to convey, but we haven’t put enough emphasis on it.”
It has become a defining dynamic in almost every state where Democrats dominate urban areas and, for at least two elections, have clear momentum in the suburbs.
While Trump sought to squeeze more out of his mostly white, working-class base, he made little ground in places he barely won or lost in 2016, and slid in suburbs across the industrial and agricultural north. Instead, he supercharged his focus on places he won big last times.
Trump lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, after winning all three in 2016. But he won at least 60% of the vote in 126 counties in the three — 14 more than in 2016, according to Associated Press and state elections data. All of those counties are lightly populated.
Perhaps more telling, Trump increased his winning percentages in 90% of the counties where he reached the 60% mark in those three states four years ago. That includes all 24 counties where he won at least 70% of the vote last time, even while Biden was vastly outspending Trump on advertising.
The rural runaway was even greater in Iowa and Ohio, where polls late in October gave Biden's campaign hopes of a close race or narrow win, only to see him lose them by the same margins Clinton did.
Trump's greater dominance in rural Ohio surprised even Republican strategists. In Ohio's 6th Congressional District, 18 counties that hug the Pennsylvania border and Ohio River, Trump improved from 64% of the vote to more than 66%.
“I'll be the first to say I was doubtful President Trump could exceed what he did in 2016,” said Ryan Steubenrauch, a senior adviser to 6th District Republican Rep. Bill Johnson.
Though Biden fulfilled Democrats' long-sought goal of carrying Georgia and Arizona, albeit narrowly, it wasn't because he concentrated on reaching beyond their metro hubs, said Steve Jarding, a veteran Democratic strategist who has long argued for greater party engagement in rural America.
“Democrats have found a way to win in the country, at least they believe this to be the case, by not concentrating much in big parts of the middle of the country," he said. “That's a scary proposition.”
Jarding worries that by winning Arizona, Georgia and the northern swing states without addressing the rural economy, Democrats might believe the states are now trending their way as the result of favorable population and demographic shifts.
“We didn't win Georgia because we had a great message to rural Georgians,” said Jarding, who helped Mark Warner win the Virginia governorship in 2001 by advising him to campaign aggressively far from the booming Washington, D.C., suburbs. “If Democrats say, look, we got into Georgia and we won it without having to talk about rural issues, they are dead wrong. It will flip back."
In clinging to their majority, House Democrats lost rural seats, notably the one held for 30 years by Rep. Collin Peterson in western Minnesota. The setbacks prompted accusations from moderates that the party's prominent liberals, such as New York Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, had become representative of a party foreign to America's farming and small manufacturing towns.
“I would argue everyone talks about the big tent. It’s not as big as it used to be,” Minnesota's Bakk said.
Biden campaigned little in person, even less in rural areas. Trump, on the other hand, whipped up enthusiasm at rallies in places like Wausau, Wisconsin, in the state's rural north where he dominated, as well as Saginaw in Mid Michigan, and Johnstown, Pennsylvania, surrounded by counties he carried by more than 70%, even 80%.
Democrats also spent little time and money combatting Trump's attacks.
Unanswered, Trump's claims that Biden and other Democrats are proponents of socialism and eliminating police departments, as unfounded as they were, resonated in small towns, according to VoteCast, an Associated Press survey of the American electorate conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago.
“We have to address this in a really more aggressive way,” said veteran Democratic strategist James Carville, especially Trump's claims that Democrats are anti-police. “There were some serious kind of headwinds there.”
Democrats need to not just defend against attacks but recruit more candidates among rural Americans and argue that progressive policy is to their advantage.
“We obviously have a brand problem in rural America,” said former North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat defeated in 2018. “But if you want to be an alternative, you can't go there empty-handed.”
Heitkamp credits Biden for including specifically rural provisions in his policy plans, such as a transportation component in his health care proposal, considering many people in sparsely populated areas must travel some distance to see a doctor.
For now, Democrats' future in rural America rests largely on how Biden is viewed there, Heitkamp said.
“A good way to start out would be to make sure in his inaugural speech and state of the union, he talks about rural America,” she said.
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#12
Extreme ends of each party is just that, extreme. Moderate the spectrum for both Republican and Democrat and you'll get what is most palatable for Americans en masse politically.
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#13
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Extreme ends of each party is just that, extreme. Moderate the spectrum for both Republican and Democrat and you'll get what is most palatable for Americans en masse politically.
There are differences between both parties but I don't think they are all that extreme. The mistake of a president and regime in power are the ones that pushed this extremism with the lies they spread and extremist policies and blatant political moves where governing was sorely needed.
Build the wall, immigration, healtcare (that never was), tax cut (fake tax cut), disregard for ethics, meddling with DOJ, incompetent appointments, turning the presidency into his PR department, lying and honestly not caring about COVID, etc are just a few examples 

Listen to what the Trumps said about every policy Biden was proposing and how bad the country would be. They made the political landscape so toxic and binary. When all you do is see binary options everything becomes exetreme. How did we get here?..

1. Trump comes in and wants to undo everything Obama and previous presidents did. You remember "drain the swamp"? That was not all. He also pushed far "right" policies. 
2. His supporters cheer on so the Republicans get in line. Well, his supporters are mostly in the boonies/ rural areas so the fan base grows.
3. Anyone who disagrees with his policies is either a liberal Democrat (note not just democrat anymore) or a RINO (if Republican). That shuts up any Republicans criticism (those Republicans who care) let alone talking about it in public. They also can't vote against anything Trump. Thus establishing the binary politics and allowing Trump move the country (in this case his fans) further right
4. Add the constant lies from Trump and his aides and the gap gets wider. Anyone who proposes anything remotely logical is now seen as extremist because the population is used to Trumps version of reality which in itself is very unusual.
5. The democrats or anyone with courage who dares proposing anything to get us back to pre Trump is now proposing a radical or extremist idea. Examples of what we now see as extremist ideas include climate change, being part of international organizations, helping immigrants, having the rich pay a greater fraction of taxes, keeping pre-exisring conditions, hiring qualified people, career professionals having a party they support so long as it does not affect their work, leaving the presidency if you lose an election, showing your taxes before you run for president, telling the truth to the American people, telling the truth - yes just being honest is now extreme.
6. We are now stuck with a situation where governing is impossible until the Trump era is way behind us. 
I have to mention, it will not be with Biden as there is too much to undo before we can have an honest political discourse in this country. The first step was getting rid of Trump and his group of clowns.
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#14
Quote: @mblack said:
@StickyBun said:
Extreme ends of each party is just that, extreme. Moderate the spectrum for both Republican and Democrat and you'll get what is most palatable for Americans en masse politically.
There are differences between both parties but I don't think they are all that extreme. The mistake of a president and regime in power are the ones that pushed this extremism with the lies they spread and extremist policies and blatant political moves where governing was sorely needed.
Build the wall, immigration, healtcare (that never was), tax cut (fake tax cut), disregard for ethics, meddling with DOJ, incompetent appointments, turning the presidency into his PR department, lying and honestly not caring about COVID, etc are just a few examples 

Listen to what the Trumps said about every policy Biden was proposing and how bad the country would be. They made the political landscape so toxic and binary. When all you do is see binary options everything becomes exetreme. How did we get here?..

1. Trump comes in and wants to undo everything Obama and previous presidents did. You remember "drain the swamp"? That was not all. He also pushed far "right" policies. 
2. His supporters cheer on so the Republicans get in line. Well, his supporters are mostly in the boonies/ rural areas so the fan base grows.
3. Anyone who disagrees with his policies is either a liberal Democrat (note not just democrat anymore) or a RINO (if Republican). That shuts up any Republicans criticism (those Republicans who care) let alone talking about it in public. They also can't vote against anything Trump. Thus establishing the binary politics and allowing Trump move the country (in this case his fans) further right
4. Add the constant lies from Trump and his aides and the gap gets wider. Anyone who proposes anything remotely logical is now seen as extremist because the population is used to Trumps version of reality which in itself is very unusual.
5. The democrats or anyone with courage who dares proposing anything to get us back to pre Trump is now proposing a radical or extremist idea. Examples of what we now see as extremist ideas include climate change, being part of international organizations, helping immigrants, having the rich pay a greater fraction of taxes, keeping pre-exisring conditions, hiring qualified people, career professionals having a party they support so long as it does not affect their work, leaving the presidency if you lose an election, showing your taxes before you run for president, telling the truth to the American people, telling the truth - yes just being honest is now extreme.
6. We are now stuck with a situation where governing is impossible until the Trump era is way behind us. 
I have to mention, it will not be with Biden as there is too much to undo before we can have an honest political discourse in this country. The first step was getting rid of Trump and his group of clowns.
Just finished exploring a rabbit hole dug by a Trumpist on Facebook. It's largely about how Fox News is now the enemy. 

Imagine your reality being so muddled that FOX NEWS is not partisan enough for you. That FOX NEWS doesn't meet your insatiable need for the batshit crazy.

I keep thinking that there has to be this moment when they all snap out of it, but maybe I'm being naive. 
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Quote: @Zanary said: he
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.
No clue why youre getting downvoted.  Theres not a damn thing said there that isnt true. 

Maybe some people dont like the truth when it bashes them in the forehead?
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Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@Zanary said:
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.
That whole she slept her way to the top is such a grotesque talking point from conservatives. She had a relationship with Willie Brown who had been estranged from his wife for a decade. Harris and Brown dated briefly in the mid-1990s, after Brown had separated from his wife in 1981. The innuendo got really ugly during her presidential campaign. It seems as though he was trying to give himself credit for her success. 

In regard to Harris’ marijuana conviction record, it's important to distinguish between her six-year tenure as attorney general of California and her seven-years as San Francisco district attorney. A 1500 figure is often cited but that comes from Harris’ time as attorney general rather than as district attorney. Harris did not prosecute such convictions as attorney general, which at the time fell under the jurisdiction of the district attorney. 
So sexal misdeeds are off limits for liberals but not for conservatives?

The way the brett kavanaugh was treated in my mind makes everyone fair game.
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#17
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@Vikergirl said:
@Zanary said:
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.
That whole she slept her way to the top is such a grotesque talking point from conservatives. She had a relationship with Willie Brown who had been estranged from his wife for a decade. Harris and Brown dated briefly in the mid-1990s, after Brown had separated from his wife in 1981. The innuendo got really ugly during her presidential campaign. It seems as though he was trying to give himself credit for her success. 

In regard to Harris’ marijuana conviction record, it's important to distinguish between her six-year tenure as attorney general of California and her seven-years as San Francisco district attorney. A 1500 figure is often cited but that comes from Harris’ time as attorney general rather than as district attorney. Harris did not prosecute such convictions as attorney general, which at the time fell under the jurisdiction of the district attorney. 
So sexal misdeeds are off limits for liberals but not for conservatives?

The way the brett kavanaugh was treated in my mind makes everyone fair game.
You should quit while you are behind. Your post above is starting to come across as stupidity instead of the usual immaturity and ignorance you typically portray.

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#18
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@Vikergirl said:
@Zanary said:
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.
That whole she slept her way to the top is such a grotesque talking point from conservatives. She had a relationship with Willie Brown who had been estranged from his wife for a decade. Harris and Brown dated briefly in the mid-1990s, after Brown had separated from his wife in 1981. The innuendo got really ugly during her presidential campaign. It seems as though he was trying to give himself credit for her success. 

In regard to Harris’ marijuana conviction record, it's important to distinguish between her six-year tenure as attorney general of California and her seven-years as San Francisco district attorney. A 1500 figure is often cited but that comes from Harris’ time as attorney general rather than as district attorney. Harris did not prosecute such convictions as attorney general, which at the time fell under the jurisdiction of the district attorney. 
So sexal misdeeds are off limits for liberals but not for conservatives?

The way the brett kavanaugh was treated in my mind makes everyone fair game.
What are you even talking about? Seriously, no one brought up Kavanaugh in this conversation. Your talk of sexual misdeeds is not relevant here, no one said anything about liberals versus conservatives in regard to that. If you are trying to equate Kamala Harris with Brett Kavanaugh you are way off base. That is absolutely ridiculous.
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Quote: @mblack said:
@Zanary said:
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.


At the bold
I am not sure which is more pathetic? Your immature, juvenile rant or the fact that someone (you) still cannot see a successful woman for who she is without attributing it to sex. Should we be worried that you are or think like "them" (those that see women as sex objects)?
I would not be surprised if you continue to express your immaturity (or should I say stupidity) by stressing your "point". Feel free to post a link from any rubbish "conservative" source.

I am very aware an supportive of many successful women...who didn't have to bang married men to get to their positions, or engage in horrid abuses of power in the process.

What I find HILARIOUS about your post is that you tried to take me to task...but, didn't actually address the points you put in boldface.

That's pretty fuggin' funny!

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Quote: @AGRforever said:
@Zanary said: he
It's hardly news, the modern left screamed about "NO MORE OLD WHITE MEN", and got the oldest prez-elect...ever.  They screamed about our police state, yet elected an architect of both the police state and the NDAA, and with him a shameless climber who slept her way (sorry, the married man was her visible patron during her climb.  It doesn't get much more blatant) to a position where she fought and withheld evidence...while locking up many people of color and finding her conviction rate for marijuana an infamous matter of humor.

I really didn't think the "main party" bar would get lower than in 2016, where two candidates no-one trusted were somehow the biggest choices.  Y'all found a way.  Congrats...you f**ked our country in every possible orifice yet again.
No clue why youre getting downvoted.  Theres not a damn thing said there that isnt true. 

Maybe some people dont like the truth when it bashes them in the forehead?
It's funny/pathetic...because the points I brought up were specifically mentioned by her dnc opponents for the prez candidacy!!!

Those facts will dog her, hopefully into early retirement.  They're not going away.
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