Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
The only thing that's a scam is Trump's idiotic ramblings about voting fraud. Move the F out of the way, you lost. 4,000,000+ votes more in Biden's favor say as much.
ask yourself, if Biden had been winning on election night by the margins Trump was winning by when all those states decided to stop their counts, and then suddenly when they started counting again the votes when so drastically the other way, wouldnt you wonder WTF happened and at least suspect improprieties? of course you would and you should.
No, absolutely not. Because we all knew it was going to take time to count all of the bigger, more urban voting districts and all the mail-in votes that were going to heavily favor Biden, precisely because that's what the Dems told their voters to do: vote by mail.
In fact, one of us even said so two days before election day....
For Pennsylvania, he's [Trump] crafting a "blue wave" narrative in advance of what will almost certainly be a big Trump lead early on election day (led by in-person voting dominated by republicans) only to see it slowly disappear as mail-in ballots (largely from democrats) are counted and start to chip away at his lead.
This is what's going to happen. Everyone knows this is what's going to happen. The only question remaining is the degree to which it happens.
But since Trump's team knows this he can plant the seed of "malfeasance" early on, declare victory well before all the votes come in, and Trump voters who don't know any better will see a "stolen election" happening in real time.
Mark my words.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
its funny that there is all this confidence in our election security when on party's candidate won, where was this confidence 4 years ago, or even a couple months ago when hillary was saying to never concede the election, to challenge the results?
This whole thing is a scam, and by thing I mean what our govt and what the media has turned it into.
spot on
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
The only thing that's a scam is Trump's idiotic ramblings about voting fraud. Move the F out of the way, you lost. 4,000,000+ votes more in Biden's favor say as much.
ask yourself, if Biden had been winning on election night by the margins Trump was winning by when all those states decided to stop their counts, and then suddenly when they started counting again the votes when so drastically the other way, wouldnt you wonder WTF happened and at least suspect improprieties? of course you would and you should.
No, absolutely not. Because we all knew it was going to take time to count all of the bigger, more urban voting districts and all the mail-in votes that were going to heavily favor Biden, precisely because that's what the Dems told their voters to do: vote by mail.
In fact, one of us even said so two days before election day....
For Pennsylvania, he's [Trump] crafting a "blue wave" narrative in advance of what will almost certainly be a big Trump lead early on election day (led by in-person voting dominated by republicans) only to see it slowly disappear as mail-in ballots (largely from democrats) are counted and start to chip away at his lead.
This is what's going to happen. Everyone knows this is what's going to happen. The only question remaining is the degree to which it happens.
But since Trump's team knows this he can plant the seed of "malfeasance" early on, declare victory well before all the votes come in, and Trump voters who don't know any better will see a "stolen election" happening in real time.
Mark my words.
so if its all on the up and up, why the big cry to shout down those that want it investigated? i've said for months biden would win so I am not shocked, but i do find it suspicious how it came out in the end. i've seen reports of more votes than voters in WI, but then they say that almost half a million new voters registered on election day and thats what accounts for the numbers being so out of whack. How many of those that registered online on election day in WI were legally able to do so? How many of those had voted in another state already absentee? I think our current system is fucked up, if states want to play with their local elections thats one thing, but the federal election should have 1 standard for voting and that should be in every state.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
And the Senate white washed all of it.
so that election fraud was legit, but any questions now are conspiracy nuts... ok, you have a nice day.
Didn't say anything about the election, that was legit, the candidate wasn't. Remember Ken Starr and whitewater, so, walk the talk and STFU.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
And the Senate white washed all of it.
so that election fraud was legit, but any questions now are conspiracy nuts... ok, you have a nice day.
Didn't say anything about the election, that was legit, the candidate wasn't. Remember Ken Starr and whitewater, so, walk the talk and STFU.
Of course, you too can have a nice day.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
The only thing that's a scam is Trump's idiotic ramblings about voting fraud. Move the F out of the way, you lost. 4,000,000+ votes more in Biden's favor say as much.
ask yourself, if Biden had been winning on election night by the margins Trump was winning by when all those states decided to stop their counts, and then suddenly when they started counting again the votes when so drastically the other way, wouldnt you wonder WTF happened and at least suspect improprieties? of course you would and you should.
No, absolutely not. Because we all knew it was going to take time to count all of the bigger, more urban voting districts and all the mail-in votes that were going to heavily favor Biden, precisely because that's what the Dems told their voters to do: vote by mail.
In fact, one of us even said so two days before election day....
For Pennsylvania, he's [Trump] crafting a "blue wave" narrative in advance of what will almost certainly be a big Trump lead early on election day (led by in-person voting dominated by republicans) only to see it slowly disappear as mail-in ballots (largely from democrats) are counted and start to chip away at his lead.
This is what's going to happen. Everyone knows this is what's going to happen. The only question remaining is the degree to which it happens.
But since Trump's team knows this he can plant the seed of "malfeasance" early on, declare victory well before all the votes come in, and Trump voters who don't know any better will see a "stolen election" happening in real time.
Mark my words.
so if its all on the up and up, why the big cry to shout down those that want it investigated?
Because no serious person thinks it needs to be investigated. Former president Bush, several republican members of congress and even several of the Trump-supporting talking heads on Fox News, including Chris Wallace, Neil Cavuto and Laura Ingraham, are trying to shut off the crazy. Yeah, sure, you have Trump himself and a handful of cultists who are screaming "voter fraud" without a shred of evidence of anything widespread to back it up. What's more, the margins in every key state are just too large to have any kind of irregularity (likely on both sides) make a difference. In fact, I've heard of only two convincing cases of voter malfeasance and both of them were on the Trump side.
I've seen reports of more votes than voters in WI.
That was a false rumor spread on social media that has been disproven by pretty much everyone. See Snopes.
I've seen this so many times, especially from you, Jimmy, where your first instincts on an issue are correct, are reasonable, and then you start to listen to the groundswell of crazy and you wonder if they might not have a point, because you want to believe their point, and so you jump down the rabbit hole with them. Trust your instincts.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
And the Senate white washed all of it.
so that election fraud was legit, but any questions now are conspiracy nuts... ok, you have a nice day.
Didn't say anything about the election, that was legit, the candidate wasn't. Remember Ken Starr and whitewater, so, walk the talk and STFU.
Of course, you too can have a nice day.
And a pleasent day to you too
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
The only thing that's a scam is Trump's idiotic ramblings about voting fraud. Move the F out of the way, you lost. 4,000,000+ votes more in Biden's favor say as much.
ask yourself, if Biden had been winning on election night by the margins Trump was winning by when all those states decided to stop their counts, and then suddenly when they started counting again the votes when so drastically the other way, wouldnt you wonder WTF happened and at least suspect improprieties? of course you would and you should.
No, absolutely not. Because we all knew it was going to take time to count all of the bigger, more urban voting districts and all the mail-in votes that were going to heavily favor Biden, precisely because that's what the Dems told their voters to do: vote by mail.
In fact, one of us even said so two days before election day....
For Pennsylvania, he's [Trump] crafting a "blue wave" narrative in advance of what will almost certainly be a big Trump lead early on election day (led by in-person voting dominated by republicans) only to see it slowly disappear as mail-in ballots (largely from democrats) are counted and start to chip away at his lead.
This is what's going to happen. Everyone knows this is what's going to happen. The only question remaining is the degree to which it happens.
But since Trump's team knows this he can plant the seed of "malfeasance" early on, declare victory well before all the votes come in, and Trump voters who don't know any better will see a "stolen election" happening in real time.
Mark my words.
so if its all on the up and up, why the big cry to shout down those that want it investigated?
Because no serious person thinks it needs to be investigated. Former president Bush, several republican members of congress and even several of the Trump-supporting talking heads on Fox News, including Chris Wallace, Neil Cavuto and Laura Ingraham, are trying to shut off the crazy. Yeah, sure, you have Trump himself and a handful of cultists who are screaming "voter fraud" without a shred of evidence of anything widespread to back it up. What's more, the margins in every key state are just too large to have any kind of irregularity (likely on both sides) make a difference. In fact, I've heard of only two convincing cases of voter malfeasance and both of them were on the Trump side.
I've seen reports of more votes than voters in WI.
That was a false rumor spread on social media that has been disproven by pretty much everyone. See Snopes.
I've seen this so many times, especially from you, Jimmy, where your first instincts on an issue are correct, are reasonable, and then you start to listen to the groundswell of crazy and you wonder if they might not have a point, because you want to believe their point, and so you jump down the rabbit hole with them. Trust your instincts.
i dont want to go into any rabbit hole, I just think that our election process has become so convoluted that these allegations deserve scrutiny due to the willy nilly way some states handle shit. like I said, 1 process nation wide that makes it the same in every state. hell a nationwide voter roll instead of one on a precinct by precinct basis. our technology should be to the point where we can get every one that votes a receipt so they know their vote was counted, and also make sure that people are who they say they are and that they only vote once.
I am sorry if I question the veracity of claims from snopes, and anybody associated with the top of either party of major news outlets. I have seen so much bull shit the last 4 years from both sides and the president himself I dont really trust any of it any longer, i just want to see it looked into and not swept away in the night like a potential clinton scandal witness  sorry couldnt help myself there, trying so hard to play nicer these days.
I don't remember Democrats making a serious claim that votes were fraudulent or changed. What was said and what our intelligence agencies and republican led commissions said was that there was interference.
That is a wholly different thing than a president claiming fraud.
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