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Just a hypothetical, all for shits and giggles cuz that's how we like it here. If we wind up with a losing record, but not able to draft any of the top QB prospects...would you consider trading for Darnold of the Jets if they end up taking a new QB?
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
Just a hypothetical, all for shits and giggles cuz that's how we like it here. If we wind up with a losing record, but not able to draft any of the top QB prospects...would you consider trading for Darnold of the Jets if they end up taking a new QB?
No, He will be a FA after next year and if there is genuine interest they can make him a FA offer at that time. A fix for this team wont come in one season so if we happen to not land a quality QB this year then I would use this years pick to fix the OL and DL and then look for a QB in the following years draft and sign either Darnold, or some other FA with upside, to compete with the new kid for a year or two while we then round out the rest of the roster so that we are ready to really compete in 2022 or 23 at the latest. We have to quit using draft picks to rent bandaids, or to draft players with short career spans ( RBs, and DBS) and instead use them to find the future of this team. Build a kick ass DL and OL, then look at QB and LB, lastly add your WRs and RBs, and DBs and we might have a team we can run with for a decade.
IMO we need OL and interior DL improvements as bad or worse as we need improvement from the QB position. The biggest thing we need from the QB position is for the play to equal the cap space and we sure as hell arent getting that with Cousins and its only going to get worse for next year and the following unless Kirk walks away and we get out from under that disaster of a deal he is currently inked to.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
Just a hypothetical, all for shits and giggles cuz that's how we like it here. If we wind up with a losing record, but not able to draft any of the top QB prospects...would you consider trading for Darnold of the Jets if they end up taking a new QB?
No, He will be a FA after next year and if there is genuine interest they can make him a FA offer at that time. A fix for this team wont come in one season so if we happen to not land a quality QB this year then I would use this years pick to fix the OL and DL and then look for a QB in the following years draft and sign either Darnold, or some other FA with upside, to compete with the new kid for a year or two while we then round out the rest of the roster so that we are ready to really compete in 2022 or 23 at the latest. We have to quit using draft picks to rent bandaids, or to draft players with short career spans ( RBs, and DBS) and instead use them to find the future of this team. Build a kick ass DL and OL, then look at QB and LB, lastly add your WRs and RBs, and DBs and we might have a team we can run with for a decade.
IMO we need OL and interior DL improvements as bad or worse as we need improvement from the QB position. The biggest thing we need from the QB position is for the play to equal the cap space and we sure as hell arent getting that with Cousins and its only going to get worse for next year and the following unless Kirk walks away and we get out from under that disaster of a deal he is currently inked to.
But you're not against drafting a QB highly this year then?
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
Just a hypothetical, all for shits and giggles cuz that's how we like it here. If we wind up with a losing record, but not able to draft any of the top QB prospects...would you consider trading for Darnold of the Jets if they end up taking a new QB?
No, He will be a FA after next year and if there is genuine interest they can make him a FA offer at that time. A fix for this team wont come in one season so if we happen to not land a quality QB this year then I would use this years pick to fix the OL and DL and then look for a QB in the following years draft and sign either Darnold, or some other FA with upside, to compete with the new kid for a year or two while we then round out the rest of the roster so that we are ready to really compete in 2022 or 23 at the latest. We have to quit using draft picks to rent bandaids, or to draft players with short career spans ( RBs, and DBS) and instead use them to find the future of this team. Build a kick ass DL and OL, then look at QB and LB, lastly add your WRs and RBs, and DBs and we might have a team we can run with for a decade.
IMO we need OL and interior DL improvements as bad or worse as we need improvement from the QB position. The biggest thing we need from the QB position is for the play to equal the cap space and we sure as hell arent getting that with Cousins and its only going to get worse for next year and the following unless Kirk walks away and we get out from under that disaster of a deal he is currently inked to.
But you're not against drafting a QB highly this year then?
depends on the QB, if we pick first overall and have Lawrence sitting there then yes I take the QB, but I am not as sold on Lance as some others are (level of competition makes me damn wary) and I havent looked at the other kid that gets talked about. (cant remember the name right now) if we dont have that first overall I would be looking at offers to trade down and get a blue chip OL and maybe add another couple first rounders as well as additional picks off from that. We are not one or two players away IMO and if we end up drafting that high I suspect Coach Bieniemy will want to make some real changes at other spots as well and will be needing draft capital.
I can deal with losing with youth learning for a brighter future, i cant blame what we are seeing now on youth and I dont see much of a bright future currently.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
depends on the QB, if we pick first overall and have Lawrence sitting there then yes I take the QB, but I am not as sold on Lance as some others are (level of competition makes me damn wary) and I havent looked at the other kid that gets talked about. (cant remember the name right now) if we dont have that first overall I would be looking at offers to trade down and get a blue chip OL and maybe add another couple first rounders as well as additional picks off from that. We are not one or two players away IMO and if we end up drafting that high I suspect Coach Bieniemy will want to make some real changes at other spots as well and will be needing draft capital.
I can deal with losing with youth learning for a brighter future, i cant blame what we are seeing now on youth and I dont see much of a bright future currently.
Already got Coach Bienemy locked up huh? 
I agree and disagree with some points. I still think Zimmer's a good coach, there's still adequate talent on this team, and depending on how the rest of the season unfolds I still believe we're not too far off. But I do agree that the O-Line needs upgrading big time.
I posted the Darnold hypothetical only because I think you'd be buying low on him. Granted, it might be tough to overcome the shellshock of playing for the Jets, but the kid's got talent.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
depends on the QB, if we pick first overall and have Lawrence sitting there then yes I take the QB, but I am not as sold on Lance as some others are (level of competition makes me damn wary) and I havent looked at the other kid that gets talked about. (cant remember the name right now) if we dont have that first overall I would be looking at offers to trade down and get a blue chip OL and maybe add another couple first rounders as well as additional picks off from that. We are not one or two players away IMO and if we end up drafting that high I suspect Coach Bieniemy will want to make some real changes at other spots as well and will be needing draft capital.
I can deal with losing with youth learning for a brighter future, i cant blame what we are seeing now on youth and I dont see much of a bright future currently.
Already got Coach Bienemy locked up huh?
I agree and disagree with some points. I still think Zimmer's a good coach, there's still adequate talent on this team, and depending on how the rest of the season unfolds I still believe we're not too far off. But I do agree that the O-Line needs upgrading big time.
I posted the Darnold hypothetical only because I think you'd be buying low on him. Granted, it might be tough to overcome the shellshock of playing for the Jets, but the kid's got talent.
In a hypothetical scenario where we are picking in the top 5-7... yep, I am going with Zimmer is shown the door and if I get to pick the replacement its going to be Bieniemy.
I like Zimmer as a D-coach, as a HC he has a lot of warts and at this point with the franchise being where it is IMO its time to move on.
As far as what we are lacking... we have no DTs (Pierce is an unknown at this point, especially after a year away from professional sports and trainers for a guy that battles weight issues) that are worth starting on a contending team, we have no OGs that are worth a starting spot so that is a minimum of 4 players to replace, 5 if you dont buy into Bradbury (I am still undecided) we likely need to add at least 1 if not 2 OTs (1 for depth assuming we resign ONeil and Reiff leaves) We are thin at LB, WR and our DB roster is a huge question mark.
I am not opposed to Darnold, but I dont trade for him unless you can get him for 5th or lower which is highly unlikely. We need our higher round picks to be used in the trenches until those units are stacked and then build around that. having a QB/WR/RB with no OL, or a stacked defensive back field with nothing in front of them can win some games, but not the ones that count. lets get off this merry go round once and for all and rebuild this roster the right way.
The list of QB's selected by the Vikings that did well, is rather short. The list of cast off QB's from other teams signed by the Vikings that did well is also short. Favre and Cunningham come to mind.
In order to get the best QB in the draft, you need to have an eye for QB talent combined with a pretty bad season to have a chance of getting him. Even then, it may cost a lot in draft capital.
I'm not convinced this version of the Vikings can see QB talent or O-line talent for that matter.
While I understand the idea of building up an O-line and offensive weapons to surround the QB first. I just don't think you will have the bad record needed to get a shot at the top QB.
I would like to see the Vikings spend the draft capital needed to get their QB first. Let him sit for a year or two, then build the team around him while he is on his rookie contract. In that case, Darnold could be an inexpensive bridge QB. Otherwise I don't see him in the Vikings plans.
Personally, I see a huge rebuild in the next year or two, with a lot of current veterans gone.
I highly doubt Zim gets canned as I have said many times, but No we don't give much for Darnold. Like Rosen 2 years ago, he will have little value as a trade piece, and he will be a FA in a year. There are other QBs and top draft talent that will be available at #2 - #5 Penie Sewell, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Jmar Chase, etc...
Man, looks like I'm one of the few who doesn't think a total rebuild is necessary. Maybe I'm just a half-glass full kinda dude.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Zimmer or Spielman are shown the door at the end of the year unless the team quits on him. Guess we'll find out in the coming weeks. Hopefully the team plays better and these young guys show improvement. Then a clearer picture will be had...but regardless I believe we need a QB of the future. I like Kirk and want to see him succeed, but sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.
Quote: @PurpleCrush said:
Man, looks like I'm one of the few who doesn't think a total rebuild is necessary. Maybe I'm just a half-glass full kinda dude.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Zimmer or Spielman are shown the door at the end of the year unless the team quits on him. Guess we'll find out in the coming weeks. Hopefully the team plays better and these young guys show improvement. Then a clearer picture will be had...but regardless I believe we need a QB of the future. I like Kirk and want to see him succeed, but sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.
i didnt think Zim would be gone either, but its only week 3 and hes already getting pissy with the GM and has thrown about every player under the bus at some point in this very young season. unless the leopard changes his spots.... he will flip shit pretty quick and that will be the end IMO.
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