Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
What a total shit show! Both candidates were talking over each other. Personally, I don't know if any minds are changed, will be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
Both sides..... Really? The moderator had to say things like "Now Mr. President if you just hang on a second you are going to like this next question". Come on man this was an impulsive, bullying narcissist, imbecile.
Didn't do a tally to calculate proportions but clearly both were talking over each other. Worst debate I've sat through, glad I'm voting third party, can't stomach either candidate.
I realize you are going to try and downplay this to make it seem like both sides were at fault but seriously, just stop it.
One candidate completely steamrolled the moderator Wallace and his opponent. Biden didn’t want to appear meek and had no choice but to respond back to Trump’s complete disaster showing of trying to control the entire debate.
Christ almighty the rosy colored glasses the right sees the world through is something fucking bizarre.
LOL, just stop. Biden did interrupt trump at times and didn't always follow the moderator's wishes. It's okay, Joe's not perfect, really! LOL The rosy colored glasses that the left see the world is pretty bizarre. Wow. Please tell us more . .
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
What a total shit show! Both candidates were talking over each other. Personally, I don't know if any minds are changed, will be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
Both sides..... Really? The moderator had to say things like "Now Mr. President if you just hang on a second you are going to like this next question". Come on man this was an impulsive, bullying narcissist, imbecile.
Didn't do a tally to calculate proportions but clearly both were talking over each other. Worst debate I've sat through, glad I'm voting third party, can't stomach either candidate.
I realize you are going to try and downplay this to make it seem like both sides were at fault but seriously, just stop it.
One candidate completely steamrolled the moderator Wallace and his opponent. Biden didn’t want to appear meek and had no choice but to respond back to Trump’s complete disaster showing of trying to control the entire debate.
Christ almighty the rosy colored glasses the right sees the world through is something fucking bizarre.
LOL, just stop. Biden did interrupt trump at times and didn't always follow the moderator's wishes. It's okay, Joe's not perfect, really! LOL The rosy colored glasses that the left see the world is pretty bizarre.
Thank you for re-affirming with the ongoing issue of the right:
There is absolutely no line he can’t cross, no despicable act he can’t commit that the right won’t justify, deflect, or pivot to another “but what about ______?”
Continue to lower the lower bar Republicans ... when asked to condemn white supremacists, your POTUS gave a shout out to them “stand by” on national television. You guys are literally backing modern Nazis.
“But but but Biden interrupted too!”
Your cult is still not at rock bottom.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
What a total shit show! Both candidates were talking over each other. Personally, I don't know if any minds are changed, will be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
Both sides..... Really? The moderator had to say things like "Now Mr. President if you just hang on a second you are going to like this next question". Come on man this was an impulsive, bullying narcissist, imbecile.
Didn't do a tally to calculate proportions but clearly both were talking over each other. Worst debate I've sat through, glad I'm voting third party, can't stomach either candidate.
I realize you are going to try and downplay this to make it seem like both sides were at fault but seriously, just stop it.
One candidate completely steamrolled the moderator Wallace and his opponent. Biden didn’t want to appear meek and had no choice but to respond back to Trump’s complete disaster showing of trying to control the entire debate.
Christ almighty the rosy colored glasses the right sees the world through is something fucking bizarre.
LOL, just stop. Biden did interrupt trump at times and didn't always follow the moderator's wishes. It's okay, Joe's not perfect, really! LOL The rosy colored glasses that the left see the world is pretty bizarre.
Why do you think Biden interrupted? Could it be because Trump wouldn't let him talk during his time. He repeatedly asked the moderator who is the worst I have ever seen, for his time back. That's not rosy colored glasses, it's the truth. I don't know what sort of a filter you view Trump through but whatever. Also the attacks on his sons and the ongoing blatant lying were a factor but ok then. No one said Joe is perfect. But if Joe isn't perfect, what does that make Trump?
I guess you missed the times where Joe interjected when trump was speaking. It happened. That's the rosy colored glasses I am referring to.
I do agree the attack on Hunter was not really appropriate but the Dems did set the standard with their attacks on Trump's kids prior to and after the 2016 election. Joe was using the disproven Atlantic article to claim Trump dishonored service members and applied it to his son Beau. He made quite impassioned plea but it was a lie as trump never said what biden alleged.
Biden also repeated his charlottesville lie that he said at the convention, on the campaign trail and last night. For more see:
Trump quote from Charlottesville:
Quote: "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ... So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Biden called trump a liar multiple times yet he was guilty lies as well. For example, see above. I'm not a trump fan by any means nor am I a biden fan. Going third party for second election in a row.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
What a total shit show! Both candidates were talking over each other. Personally, I don't know if any minds are changed, will be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
Both sides..... Really? The moderator had to say things like "Now Mr. President if you just hang on a second you are going to like this next question". Come on man this was an impulsive, bullying narcissist, imbecile.
Didn't do a tally to calculate proportions but clearly both were talking over each other. Worst debate I've sat through, glad I'm voting third party, can't stomach either candidate.
I realize you are going to try and downplay this to make it seem like both sides were at fault but seriously, just stop it.
One candidate completely steamrolled the moderator Wallace and his opponent. Biden didn’t want to appear meek and had no choice but to respond back to Trump’s complete disaster showing of trying to control the entire debate.
Christ almighty the rosy colored glasses the right sees the world through is something fucking bizarre.
LOL, just stop. Biden did interrupt trump at times and didn't always follow the moderator's wishes. It's okay, Joe's not perfect, really! LOL The rosy colored glasses that the left see the world is pretty bizarre.
Why do you think Biden interrupted? Could it be because Trump wouldn't let him talk during his time. He repeatedly asked the moderator who is the worst I have ever seen, for his time back. That's not rosy colored glasses, it's the truth. I don't know what sort of a filter you view Trump through but whatever. Also the attacks on his sons and the ongoing blatant lying were a factor but ok then. No one said Joe is perfect. But if Joe isn't perfect, what does that make Trump?
I guess you missed the times where Joe interjected when trump was speaking. It happened. That's the rosy colored glasses I am referring to.
I do agree the attack on Hunter was not really appropriate but the Dems did set the standard with their attacks on Trump's kids prior to and after the 2016 election. Joe was using the disproven Atlantic article to claim Trump dishonored service members and applied it to his son Beau. He made quite impassioned plea but it was a lie as trump never said what biden alleged.
Biden also repeated his charlottesville lie that he said at the convention, on the campaign trail and last night. For more see:
Trump quote from Charlottesville:
Quote: "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ... So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Biden called trump a liar multiple times yet he was guilty lies as well. For example, see above. I'm not a trump fan by any means nor am I a biden fan. Going third party for second election in a row.
Wow so he said it under complete pressure of the country 3 years ago, so I guess that's good enough.
Why not say it last night?Why not admit to paying $750 in federal income taxes versus lying about millions?Why not admit to a peaceful transition of power?Why not admit that Herman Cain died from receiving covid at his rally?Why lie about the Portland Sheriff?Why lie about "widespread" voting fraud?Why tell your followers to go to polling stations to make sure it's done properly?Why keep perpetuating the Hunter Biden lie?Why disrespect Beau Biden?Why use Hilary's quote and applying it to Biden?
Why support the police yet strip local police of $400 million in funding?
Why lie about Biden's health care plan and the 180 million who will lose their insurance?Why lie about all the manufacturing jobs you brought back?
Why not be presidential?
Why would you vote 3rd party to allow the possibility that this man will be President again?
Why can you not fucking man up and say you were wrong and you want a better America, versus wasting a vote on a 3rd party this year?
And if you do vote 3rd party this year, why the fuck should any sane moral person respect anything you say about this country?
You can't change a Trump supporter. You can make them pretend to distant themselves from him but you cant make them abandon him. It is a sad reality I have come to terms with. This is not politics, its a cult like behavior. I used to think his supporters were just amoral but nope I don't think it's just that. A vast majority of them know he is "not suited for office" but really don't care about the greater good so long as Trump is feeding some hidden desire(s)/wishe(s) they have held for long no matter how much it hurts the country or society as a whole.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
What a total shit show! Both candidates were talking over each other. Personally, I don't know if any minds are changed, will be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
Both sides..... Really? The moderator had to say things like "Now Mr. President if you just hang on a second you are going to like this next question". Come on man this was an impulsive, bullying narcissist, imbecile.
Didn't do a tally to calculate proportions but clearly both were talking over each other. Worst debate I've sat through, glad I'm voting third party, can't stomach either candidate.
I realize you are going to try and downplay this to make it seem like both sides were at fault but seriously, just stop it.
One candidate completely steamrolled the moderator Wallace and his opponent. Biden didn’t want to appear meek and had no choice but to respond back to Trump’s complete disaster showing of trying to control the entire debate.
Christ almighty the rosy colored glasses the right sees the world through is something fucking bizarre.
LOL, just stop. Biden did interrupt trump at times and didn't always follow the moderator's wishes. It's okay, Joe's not perfect, really! LOL The rosy colored glasses that the left see the world is pretty bizarre.
Why do you think Biden interrupted? Could it be because Trump wouldn't let him talk during his time. He repeatedly asked the moderator who is the worst I have ever seen, for his time back. That's not rosy colored glasses, it's the truth. I don't know what sort of a filter you view Trump through but whatever. Also the attacks on his sons and the ongoing blatant lying were a factor but ok then. No one said Joe is perfect. But if Joe isn't perfect, what does that make Trump?
I guess you missed the times where Joe interjected when trump was speaking. It happened. That's the rosy colored glasses I am referring to.
I do agree the attack on Hunter was not really appropriate but the Dems did set the standard with their attacks on Trump's kids prior to and after the 2016 election. Joe was using the disproven Atlantic article to claim Trump dishonored service members and applied it to his son Beau. He made quite impassioned plea but it was a lie as trump never said what biden alleged.
Biden also repeated his charlottesville lie that he said at the convention, on the campaign trail and last night. For more see:
Trump quote from Charlottesville:
Quote: "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ... So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Biden called trump a liar multiple times yet he was guilty lies as well. For example, see above. I'm not a trump fan by any means nor am I a biden fan. Going third party for second election in a row.
Wow so he said it under complete pressure of the country 3 years ago, so I guess that's good enough.
Why not say it last night?Why not admit to paying $750 in federal income taxes versus lying about millions?Why not admit to a peaceful transition of power?Why not admit that Herman Cain died from receiving covid at his rally?Why lie about the Portland Sheriff?Why lie about "widespread" voting fraud?Why tell your followers to go to polling stations to make sure it's done properly?Why keep perpetuating the Hunter Biden lie?Why disrespect Beau Biden?Why use Hilary's quote and applying it to Biden?
Why support the police yet strip local police of $400 million in funding?
Why lie about Biden's health care plan and the 180 million who will lose their insurance?Why lie about all the manufacturing jobs you brought back?
Why not be presidential?
Why would you vote 3rd party to allow the possibility that this man will be President again?
Why can you not fucking man up and say you were wrong and you want a better America, versus wasting a vote on a 3rd party this year?
And if you do vote 3rd party this year, why the fuck should any sane moral person respect anything you say about this country?
You know me so well. NOT. I live in a state that has voted R for more than 50 years. There is no way Biden wins the 2020 Idaho vote and there was no way that Hillary would have won in 2016. I vote for someone that is closest to my thinking and it was not Hillary in 16, Joe in 20 or Trump in 16 or 20. I did man and my conviction. It matters not if you disagree.
Claiming Trump disrespected Beau was Biden's worst lie in my book. It is based on an Atlantic article that has been proven false by people with first hand knowledge of the story.
I'm not a trump fan. I do support our military and it pisses me off when someone falsely accuses someone of disrespecting our military.
@ IDVikingfan
Regarding the Atlantic story...
Can you tell who these people are that refuted the claims? It is laughable that at in this day and age one still believed the stories that come out of this administration given the track record of lies being peddled. Literally almost every thing has been closely looked at under this administration has covered significant falsehoods.
Quote: @mblack said:
@IDVikingfan
Regarding the Atlantic story...
Can you tell who these people are that refuted the claims? It is laughable that at in this day and age one still believed the stories that come out of this administration given the track record of lies being peddled. Literally almost every thing has been closely looked at under this administration has covered significant falsehoods.
How about a first hand from John Bolton, who most definitely is not a trump ally
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How about this article:
https://www.newsweek.com/collusion-betwe...on-1530176
How is he not a Trump ally? Isn't this the same Bolton who refused to testify during the impeachment? He is definitely a Trump ally.
Jennifer Griffin of FOX news a career journalist who is not from the Atlantic backs the story so forgive me for believing her over a politician who worked for Trump and was touting the same Trump lines.
Oh by the way Bolton's recap does not match what Trump recounted on a few levels. For example....
Bolton said the "two presidents were joined by the two first ladies". Trump on the other hand said after the meeting he called home to talk to Melania.
Like I said anything about Trump when looked deeper reveals nothing but falsehoods
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan
Regarding the Atlantic story...
Can you tell who these people are that refuted the claims? It is laughable that at in this day and age one still believed the stories that come out of this administration given the track record of lies being peddled. Literally almost every thing has been closely looked at under this administration has covered significant falsehoods.
How about a first hand from John Bolton, who most definitely is not a trump ally
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How about this article:
https://www.newsweek.com/collusion-betwe...on-1530176
Bolton doesn't say it didn't happen, just that it didn't happen when he was present. "I can't prove he never said those things," he said. I think we have, what, 5 or 6 journalists who have backed up the original report. Are they ALL lying? I guess it's possible. But, given what Trump has already said on tape about prisoners of war ("I like people who weren't captured"), this is very much on message for him. So what does your gut tell you?..... That's what I thought.
Listen to what Bolton says: "President has a habit of disparaging people. He ends up denigrating almost everybody he comes in contact with whose last name is not Trump."
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