POTENTIAL TRADE: Desmond King for Riley Reiff and a mid round 2021?

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@Skodin said:
The speculation was Reiff (paying $3.8 million of his salary) and a mid round pick (we have about 75 of them).  I too like King and think this could be a good deal.  

Hill + Cleveland potential decrease in effectiveness coming down from Reiff’s best play is worth the kind of upgrade we could have at CB.  Adding a stud to the CB group would give a lot of flexibility (Hughes goes inside, Hill and Gladney fight out the outside CB spot, youngsters waiting in the wings to spell the action)

Good to discuss ON TOPIC progress here

Viking football trade rumors!  Thanks Skodin.  

I hope this happens! 

Great Barrier Reiff is no great barrier.  To opposing edge rushers, or anyone else.  

Move O'Neill over to LT and start the rook Ezra @ RT.  
Can always move O'Neill back to RT if he flails.  Hill (for sho) & Udoh (maybe) are insurance.  

DK would give us DAMN SALTY group of CB talent, imo.  

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With just three years of experience, King would instantly be the most seasoned member of the Vikings cornerback group, which lost starters Xavier Rhodes, Trae Waynes and Mackensie Alexander in March.
Let’s examine this potential deal from both teams’ perspectives.
From the Vikings’ SideAs it stands in late June, the Vikings are counting heavily on the following corners: Jeff Gladney, a rookie that hasn’t been given any on-field instruction from the Minnesota coaching staff; Mike Hughes, a third-year corner coming off a concerning vertebrae injury about which details are scarce; Holton Hill, who is one off-field misstep away from a lengthy suspension following substance-abuse and PED violations.
At their best, these three have great potential. But there’s a wide range of outcomes when a team’s projected starters have red flags around inexperience, injury and off-field concerns, respectively. King is a more known commodity with 47 of 48 games played in his career, never missing a game until Week 17 of the 2019 season.
For King, his 2019 campaign was only average. He graded 32nd amongst qualified corners on Pro Football Focus and tied for 31st in the slot, where he spent 56.5% of his snaps. (Alexander tied for 24th in slot coverage grade.) King allowed an 87% reception rate that was second-highest in football, along with a 123.8 passer rating against, which was 11th-highest. A better season from King might’ve prompted extension talks, but instead he found himself mixed up in trade rumors as early as April.
Rewind to 2018 and King was elite. His 91.1 coverage grade was first in all of football, earning him First-Team All-Pro status. King still had his warts, missing 11 tackles and allowing the third-most yards after catch in 2018, but he rarely got beat over the top. King only surrendered over 50 yards in three games that season while limiting receivers to the seventh-lowest yards per reception in the NFL. Considering his rookie year of 2017 was also a top-10-caliber season, there’s reason to believe 2019 was a blip on the radar — and his slot play wasn’t drastically worse than Alexander’s, who had a strong season with the Vikings a year ago.

SLOT PERFORMANCE	Passer Rating Against	Yards Per Cover Snap	Receptions/Targets	TDs Allowed/INTs
Mackensie Alexander (2018)	82.1	1.13	35/54	0/0
Desmond King (2018)	79.8	1.00	51/65	1/3
Mackensie Alexander (2019)	85.7	1.11	40/57	1/1
Desmond King (2019)	114.5	1.19	36/41	1/0

King, a former fifth-round pick, will count just over $2.2 million against the cap in the final year of his rookie contract. Could the Vikings acquire that contract without shedding any salary? Maybe. Spotrac currently projects the Vikings to be $11.7 million under the cap, but that’s before signing any members of their draft class, rounding out their roster or introducing new money in the form of a potential Dalvin Cook extension.
A trade for Reiff would be risky, but it would be create some compelling salary cap flexibility. On one hand, the Vikings would be forced to trust rookie Ezra Cleveland or swing tackle Rashod Hill as their Week 1 starter. On the other hand, shedding part or all of Reiff’s $13.2 million cap hit this year could give the Vikings more capital to negotiate with veteran free agents. Everson Griffen and Josh Kline are still available, and their cost has likely dropped.
Considering Reiff is likely going to be a cap casualty after the season — and could be trade bait anyway if Cleveland’s development is ahead of schedule — getting King for him, even on a one-year rental, would be a steal while simultaneously upgrading the secondary and opening up more cap space. It could be a big win for the Vikings… unless the left tackle position falls apart.
Even if the Vikings could acquire King for a mid-round draft pick, it could be the perfect bridge while Minnesota’s rookie corners get acclimated to the speed of the NFL
https://zonecoverage.com/2020/minnesota-...a-vikings/

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This definitely looks like a solid trade for the Vikes, however I think you have to take the very real possibility that there could be no season or a condensed season into consideration for any trade.  For a player with one year left on his contract, the various scenarios would need to be factored in.  

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This would be great if we could pull it off. And for perhaps the first time ever, I agree with Savvy. If this happens, move O'Neill to the left and have Cleveland compete with Udoh on the right. 

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@MaroonBells said:
This would be great if we could pull it off. And for perhaps the first time ever, I agree with Savvy. If this happens, move O'Neill to the left and have Cleveland compete with Udoh on the right. 

see... you two aint so far apart... next thing you know you will be rocking a maga hat.   B)

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@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:
This would be great if we could pull it off. And for perhaps the first time ever, I agree with Savvy. If this happens, move O'Neill to the left and have Cleveland compete with Udoh on the right. 

see... you two aint so far apart... next thing you know you will be rocking a maga hat.   B)

This one will have to do. :-)

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So why would the Chargers want to trade King? CB is still one of the most critical positions in the NFL, and when a team has a 25-year-old who is one year removed from an All-Pro season, no injury history - and adds good return ability as a bonus - it doesn't make sense to trade him, even though he slipped in 2019.

The Chargers are a cheap organization and may have some cap issues after 2020 - but $2M for a CB with King's apparent potential seems like a no-brainer. Even if you expect to lose him to FA after this year, keep him and get the comp pick, as the Vikings did with Mac Alexander.

Do we really think they are salivating over Riley Reiff enough to send a valuable young CB for him?

It concerns me if they would trade King. I don't think a team would do it unless he has some problem or demand to leave, or if the Chargers coaches are convinced 2018 was a total illusion (think of Case Keenum 2017) and are certain he will never produce near that level again, and that after another bad season in 2020 King won't even get a decent FA offer.

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Hmmm.

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@AGRforever said:

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@StickyBun said:
Where is this rumor coming from? Haven't seen it anywhere. 

espn,  something called Field Yates,  not sure who that is,  but it seems like one guy just spit balling and the web is running with it.

Well that settles it.  It MUST be true... if espn says so.  (I know, it's just a "rumor".)
Well, at least it's something Viking related that isn't related to politics.  That's something!

If we plan to sign King long-term, I'm all for it.  But we better be sure about our OT situation.  We're not going to score many points if our OL's weakest link is LT.  If Cousins goes down, we won't score more than 10 points a game... and even the best defense in the NFL is going to give up 14+ points a game.  

LOL, LT be our weakest link?  I think its the whole line thats the weakest link.  It just happens to be a different guy every week. 

Touche!