Vikings' committee...

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@purplefaithful said:

Given the Wilf's family history and how they suffered under Fascism and the extreme right, I am not surprised...

Oh jeeze.  


Defeating the 3rd Reich/Nazism  is reminiscent and stimulative of creating a program correcting "social injustice" in the NFL/ US?
An (American) society SO injudicious....that billionaire bougies are appointing millionaire serfs....to enact redress? 
Do you people ever listen to yourselves? 

And the one man (Churchill) in history who stood in the 3rd Reich's way, his statue is now under assault? 


You guys are jumping the shark....but by all means, keep jumping.  

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@savannahskol said:

@purplefaithful said:

Given the Wilf's family history and how they suffered under Fascism and the extreme right, I am not surprised...

Oh jeeze.  


Defeating the 3rd Reich/Nazism  is reminiscent and stimulative of creating a program correcting "social injustice" in the NFL/ US?


You guys are jumping the shark....but by all means, keep jumping.  

Not jumping anything, but you're jumping to conclusions fueled by your own agenda. 

The Wilf family suffered great loss at the hands of Fascism, the extreme right and their policy of genocide..They've been quite open and transparent on how that has influenced them today and the causes they support. 

Not surprising at all that they have great empathy and no stomach for racial injustice in the US...

From ashes to riches: Wilfs, sons of Holocaust survivors, have legacy of resilience
https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sports...resilience

Churchill was a known racist, no sweeping history under the rug on that one. His words are out there for all to see, read and learn from...If you want to paint the truth an assault you go for it.  

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so what about the Washington Monument?  George had slaves, should that get toppled as well?  The Jefferson Memorial?  maybe we need to rub their faces off of Mt Rushmore as well?  Lots and lots of public reminders of historically questionable people.

some of this shit is getting way out of hand in terms of historical monuments and shit, if a persons sole reason for being memorialized was racist or biased based.. sure,  take em down,  but symbols getting trashed simply because they are loosely associated historically with dark periods or bad shit... thats just stupid IMO.

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And these my friend Jimmy are the uncomfortable conversations us whities are having today. There is a big difference between remembering and honoring.

In the case of Abe Lincoln, its pretty easy for me to honor. Some of the others? Not so easy. 

Good news is we can pick and choose. 

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@purplefaithful said:

In the case of Abe Lincoln, its pretty easy for me to honor. 

Ol Abe going down in Boston, if the Mayor/comrades have their way.  
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/12/metro/tear-down-lincoln-statue-petition-says/

Scumbag Jefferson got his just reward, also. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-protesters-tear-down-racist-statue-of-thomas-jefferson/ar-BB15vYtY

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@purplefaithful said:
And these my friend Jimmy are the uncomfortable conversations us whities are having today. There is a big difference between remembering and honoring.

In the case of Abe Lincoln, its pretty easy for me to honor. Some of the others? Not so easy. 

Good news is we can pick and choose. 

Abe easy to honor?  yikes. 

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@purplefaithful said:
And these my friend Jimmy are the uncomfortable conversations we whities are having today.  

Speak for yourself.  I never owned slaves, never discriminated. Never uttered a racist joke.  I'm not uncomfortable.  
(I'd say I had black friends--20% of my facebook friends-- but that's considered a guilty-white default position, so I 
won't mention it) 

and...there is no "conversation". 
There is tearing down of statues, by lawlessness.  At least it's happening everywhere now, not just the South. B)
(differentiated by elected officials choosing to remove statues, which I'm fine with--they're accountable at the ballot box)

And cute you think your white opinion matters.  It doesn't.  
To wit, a sampling:  

https://ignatiansolidarity.net/blog/2020...nt-racism/
https://twitter.com/ariesgodmother/statu...81?lang=en
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-ar...es-support
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/opin...ee-n690801
https://www.insider.com/celebrities-infl...ram-2020-6


You've been negated from the discussion by the color of your skin. No? 

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@purplefaithful said:

 There is a big difference between remembering and honoring.

This is a profound statement.  And I agree.  
But can there be either (remembering & honoring), if all vestiges (statues, etc)  are gone?  

And yet, you left out LEARNING (from historical markers), from the remembering and honoring options. 

Who really wants to remember Auschwitz? (no one)
Who really  wants to honor Auschwitz? (no one)
Q?: Why the hell would the Smithsonian want to protect Auschwitz?  
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/c...d-4650863/
A?:  Of course, so we can witness and LEARN from man's most inhumane moment(s) in recent modern history. 


You don't wipe history because it's 'uncomfortable'.  You LEARN from it.  
Choosing to be willfully (politically correct) ignorant, is not an option.  (For me)

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@savannahskol said:

@purplefaithful said:

 There is a big difference between remembering and honoring.

This is a profound statement.  And I agree.  
But can there be either (remembering & honoring), if all vestiges (statues, etc)  are gone?  

And yet, you left out LEARNING (from historical markers), from the remembering and honoring options. 

Who really wants to remember Auschwitz? (no one)
Who really  wants to honor Auschwitz? (no one)
Q?: Why the hell would the Smithsonian want to protect Auschwitz?  
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/c...d-4650863/
A?:  Of course, so we can witness and LEARN from man's most inhumane moment(s) in recent modern history. 


You don't wipe history because it's 'uncomfortable'.  You LEARN from it.  
Choosing to be willfully (politically correct) ignorant, is not an option.  (For me)

Oh there are plenty of conversations, you're just not participating. 

One thing you and I can agree on (there is probably more, but we wont find it together) is we can't forget history...You know the rest about repeating it. 

I dont have an answer about statues and monuments I really don't. I think it's up to each city/state to do what they feel is the right thing for them. 

We can go really broad with this too. What do we do about Gone with the Wind? The blatant racism in Peter Pan and its depiction of Native Americans? Does the Jazz Singer honor jews? Depict blacks in a racist fashion? Or both?

Look what Mpls did to the Rondo neighborhood back when it was expanding infrastructure and highway 94. That was institutional racism and the results are some of the biggest quality of living disparities between whites/blacks in any state of the union.

Good old MN nice, the land of Mary Tyler Moore ain't very nice if you're a person of color. 

And say goodbye to this old gal as Quaker Oats just put a bullet in Aunt Jemima...I paint it progress and awakening among society. Others wont see it that way.  



https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/...index.html

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Sambos (restaurant chain). Aunt Jemima. The Washington Redskins. Its all racist and all ridiculous if you take some time and think about it. But Sticky, that's crazy! Does this really offend you?? No, it doesn't. Guess why? I'm white. But if I think about it and use empathy to put myself in a person's shoes that could be offended, yeah it makes all kinds of sense that it's racist. 

Are people too PC and sensitive today? Absolutely. Does the race card get thrown out too quickly? Sure does. Are some just ready to be outraged over anything? Yes. But that doesn't mean that all of the above I mentioned isn't racist or shouldn't be changed. Along with other things.