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OT: Brees still doesn't get it
#71
OpEdhttps://www.startribune.com/a-true-patri...571078402/

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Aaron Rodgers is my quarterback.
Drew Brees is not.
During a week that should change American history, should change America into what it always has professed to be, the Packers’ quarterback offered a simple, accurate view of the constitutionally protected right to free speech and peaceful dissent.
“A few years ago we were criticized for locking arms in solidarity before the game,’’ Rodgers posted. “It has NEVER been about an anthem or a flag. Not then. Not now. Listen with an open heart, let’s educate ourselves, and then turn word and thought into action.’’
He used the hashtag symbol to promote a number of slogans, including “Liberty and justice for all.’’
Last week Brees, the Saints’ quarterback, said he will “never agree with anybody disrespecting’’ the U.S. flag, taking aim at Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players who have peacefully protested the epidemic of cops killing unarmed black men.
Saints teammates and other NFL players were among those who criticized Brees. He received praise from Donald Trump. Three apologies and clarifications later, Brees was running the fastest 40-yard dash of his life away from his initial comments, acknowledging that his black peers were not attacking the flag or the national anthem but were instead peacefully protesting systemic injustice.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell even issued a statement acknowledging that his league had not listened attentively enough to black players, although he stopped short of apologizing to Kaepernick.
Rodgers did not need to revise his stance, because his stance was simple and humane. He offered empathy.
Brees, in his first comments, provided the definition of white privilege.
Brees was saying what so many white Americans believe — that no matter how horribly our country has treated black people, they do not have the right to peacefully protest.
It’s time for Americans to choose: Do you care about citizens or symbols?
If you care about symbols above the lives of black Americans, you should at least make an effort to understand what those symbols represent to them.
Standing during the national anthem is a point of pride for sports fans who have already gotten through the beer line. Many, like Brees, argue that the anthem honors soldiers who gave their lives in service to our country.
But if you were black, would you revere an anthem that was written by an outspoken slave owner, Francis Scott Key? Do you know that there is a verse of the anthem, rarely played, that references slaves?
So many Americans have come to identify the flag as a symbol of military might and sacrifice. Wouldn’t a more reasonable view be that the flag represents American history? And isn’t American history laced with racism?
One hundred years after the Civil War ended, cops were beating black marchers and “Whites Only’’ signs populated the South.
To pretend America or its sports are about equality is to proclaim the most simple-minded form of white privilege.
Modern sports leagues offer lip service to diversity but are far better at promoting symbols than promoting equality.
Every year, Major League Baseball celebrates Jackie Robinson Day.
Know what Robinson said after suffering racial abuse for years? “I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world.”
To downplay or dismiss racism in America, or racism in sports, is to use the flag as a blindfold and the anthem as white noise.
Since the killing of George Floyd we have heard from innumerable black athletes who have detailed the systemic abuse and prejudice they face daily.
And as they speak, we are all one click away from innumerable videos from every corner of the country revealing white cops beating peaceful protesters of all ethnicities.
Robinson, the patron saint of American sports equality, would be as disgusted today as he was in 1947.
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#72
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@SFVikeFan said:

It was never about the flag or the anthem, how many fucking times does this need to be explained??  

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

https://www.nfl.com/news/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem-0ap3000000691077

** crickets ** where’s SFVF?

We keep hearing (over & over) its (CK’s protest) “not about the flag.”
Yet there are his own words.  

& all the subsequent protests happen, when?  During the Anthem. 
What a series of coincidences!

Oh... and now Sticky & P-faithful find LaConfora & Souhan quote-worthy.  lmao
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#73
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@savannahskol said:
@SFVikeFan said:

It was never about the flag or the anthem, how many fucking times does this need to be explained??  

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

https://www.nfl.com/news/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem-0ap3000000691077

** crickets ** where’s SFVF?

We keep hearing (over & over) its (CK’s protest) “not about the flag.”
Yet there are his own words.  

& all the subsequent protests happen, when?  During the Anthem. 
What a series of coincidences!

Oh... and now Sticky & P-faithful find LaConfora & Souhan quote-worthy.  lmao
Its a point of view. Not even saying I agree with what LaConfora said. But some do. Its like the BLM thing: nobody is saying that only black lives matter, they're saying black lives ALSO matter as much as white lives do. Just like anything else, extreme voices on either side of anything are what the media loves to put up for consumption. And that causes fear. And then the lines are drawn. 
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#74
From pbs.org


Quote:Today the flag consists of 13 horizontal stripes, seven red alternating with six white. The stripes represent the original 13 Colonies and the stars represent the 50 states of the Union. The colors of the flag are symbolic as well; red symbolizes hardiness and valor, white symbolizes purity and innocence, and blue represents vigilance, perseverance and justice.
Does anyone reading the above especially the bold think today's climate represents that? That's what the kneeling is about...

What the flag symbolizes and our actions today are not the same.
Again, the issue is not the flag. We are not doing what the flag represents so why pretend to honor the flag and do the exact opposite?


It's not about changing the flag or changing what it represents. It's about calling people's attention to what we as a people say the flag represents so we can honor and demonstrate that through our actions. We can't select parts of the meaning of the flag and ignore others.

By selecting parts and not acknowledging the meaning of the whole flag we actually destroy the flag.

No one said all is perfect but we have to admit when we fall short and show meaningful and sustainable efforts towards making things better.

That's what this is about - we need to honor the flag as a whole.


Put it this way, if the flag could talk which of the following would you think it would say?

1. What is happening in today's society is what I represent and I am OK with the trend of events or

2. What is happening today is not what I represent and would like things changed?


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#75
I cant say how people can perceive my actions,  it's a free country and we are born with free will.  Nobody  should think that just because somebody says that veterans and Patriots shouldn't be offended by disrespect to the flag because " it's not what was intended?  People can and will view the protest however they will regardless of the intent.

Kind of like those hippy shit bags that protested soldiers funerals as a way showing their non support for the war...they weren't intentionally disrespecting the family ,  but that's sure as shit how it was viewed by the vast majority of Americans.

Ck has a right to take a knee and everybody has a right to view it how the see it and shouldn't be burned at the stake for their views on the matter.
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#76
While there is a lot of discussion lately about Big Tech censorship snuffing out free speech, there is another force almost as insidious in destroying free speech & thought, and that is political correctness. The political correctness in today’s society sets an agreed upon fascist-created train of thought on many topics that cannot be deviated from no matter what. If you do so, you will be crucified by the mainstream media, social media mobs, and gutless politicians afraid they’ll suffer the same fate if they don’t agree. The latest example is, of course, the George Floyd murder, and the follow-up protests. You have near 100% agreement on all sides that Floyd was murdered by police using despicable excessive force, and who knows, these specific cops may indeed be racists. However, like so many stories in the media, this is simply an anecdotal example used to inflame emotions rather than evidence of “systemic racism”. Anyone looking dispassionately at the statistics of white cop/black victims could tell you Floyd was a tragic statistical anomaly that doesn’t represent the norm, especially when you compare it to white cop/white victim excessive force stats. And George Floyd, who absolutely didn’t deserve to be killed, was no saint. He had several crimes on his record, including one in which he threatened a pregnant woman with a gun held to her belly (what, you didn’t hear that in our fair-and-balanced media?????!).
But as you’ve seen, NO ONE can discuss these facts! Every celebrity, corporate executive, politician, and media pundit MUST say Floyd’s murder was a result of systematic racism, end of discussion! You MUST say the U.S. is a racist nation not much different from the 1960s. Everyone has an implied script put together by the free speech noose of political correctness. If you deviate in the slightest, you will be crucified. Consider Drew Brees, who simply stated he didn’t agree with disrespecting the flag or the country because of all the sacrifices that have been made, most notably by the military. He didn’t say a word about racism, cops, or George Floyd. Sorry, not good enough. The Twitter army, mainstream media, and even sports media immediately went into attack mode, forcing him to do what always happens — the politically incorrect violator must apologize and grovel with his tail between his legs. What’s worse is the message it sends — don’t speak your mind, don’t think critically, don’t dare believe anything but what you’re told to believe — the very definition of Orwell’s 1984 “Thought Police”.
Big Tech censorship and political correctness are slowly destroying the foundations of American freedom. Things will never change until more prominent people have the courage to speak their minds and stick to their guns when the vicious propagandists inevitably come out to destroy them.
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#77
[Image: tweet-tyler-zed-kaepernick-brees-voicing...C449&ssl=1]

kinda of how I've been viewing it... lots of hypocrisy over this one.
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#78
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
[Image: tweet-tyler-zed-kaepernick-brees-voicing...C449&ssl=1]

kinda of how I've been viewing it... lots of hypocrisy over this one.
They cant have it both ways...
1. They said Kap should not be ousted from the League for voicing his opinion. Guess what? Kap is not in the League because he voiced his opinion.
2. Brees voices his opinion and they want him out of the league just like they did to Kap but they are called idiots for asking the same standards be applied to Brees as they did to Kap.
I hope you see the double standard in that post.

This is exactly the Laura Ingraham commentary about Le Bron and Brees below.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1268551040074383361

The hypocrisy in the post above lies in the authors:
For Tyler Zed: Who wants to have it both ways (Kap not being the the League for voicing his opinion and Brees allowed in the League and to voice his option
For Laura Ingraham: Who wants LBJ to shut up and dribble and for Brees to voice his option

Below is what Laura Ingraham said on her show on Thursday
Quote:On Thursday, Ingraham responded to James' reaction on her Fox News show, saying "every American has the God-given right to speak his or her own mind on any issue."
"I think in order to heal and shed light on gross injustices, our country needs more dialogue, not less," Ingraham said. "And we need more respect, not retribution."
"Right now, Americans, I think most of them, are looking for reconciliation. That means politicians, police, and even cultural figures all working together. All of us."
How does the bold add up with her comments to Le Bron to shut up and dribble? Did she have the same opinion when she was talking about Le Bron? What changed? I don't expect any answers here but just calling it out. Just like the tweet above.

This is the America some live in everyday
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#79
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
[Image: tweet-tyler-zed-kaepernick-brees-voicing...C449&ssl=1]

kinda of how I've been viewing it... lots of hypocrisy over this one.

And to those saying CK was forced out for his opinion, I offer you every other crap head, thug, murderer, dui, wanna be trouble maker, that still plays in the NFL because their talent makes them "worth the risk".  If CK could have hit the broad side of a receivers hands, then he would still be playing. 

And the comparison is complete moot.  Brees backtracked from answering a baited question in an interview with his personal opinion about the flag, likely because it was looking to tear the lockerroom apart.  CK was looking to tear the lockerroom apart so he could get out of a contract he signed by acting like a malcontent and sitting. 
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#80
Quote: @mblack said:
@JimmyinSD said:
[Image: tweet-tyler-zed-kaepernick-brees-voicing...C449&ssl=1]

kinda of how I've been viewing it... lots of hypocrisy over this one.
They cant have it both ways...
1. They said Kap should not be ousted from the League for voicing his opinion. Guess what? Kap is not in the League because he voiced his opinion.
2. Brees voices his opinion and they want him out of the league just like they did to Kap but they are called idiots for asking the same standards be applied to Brees as they did to Kap.
I hope you see the double standard in that post.

This is exactly the Laura Ingraham commentary about Le Bron and Brees below.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1268551040074383361

The hypocrisy in the post above lies in the authors:
For Tyler Zed: Who wants to have it both ways (Kap not being the the League for voicing his opinion and Brees allowed in the League and to voice his option
For Laura Ingraham: Who wants LBJ to shut up and dribble and for Brees to voice his option

Below is what Laura Ingraham said on her show on Thursday
Quote:On Thursday, Ingraham responded to James' reaction on her Fox News show, saying "every American has the God-given right to speak his or her own mind on any issue."
"I think in order to heal and shed light on gross injustices, our country needs more dialogue, not less," Ingraham said. "And we need more respect, not retribution."
"Right now, Americans, I think most of them, are looking for reconciliation. That means politicians, police, and even cultural figures all working together. All of us."
How does the bold add up with her comments to Le Bron to shut up and dribble? Did she have the same opinion when she was talking about Le Bron? What changed? I don't expect any answers here but just calling it out. Just like the tweet above.

This is the America some live in everyday
Kap is not in the league because he was not worth the circus that would come with him.  if he was as talented as some still think he was,  he would have been in the league.  if the owners decided that brees was toxic and didnt want him in their lockerrooms.... my sentiment would be the same.
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