This might sound like a silly question, but how confident are we that Rice is in the group that was targeting Trump, seeing that they bypassed her in the chain of communication? Is there evidence that she's not a normie that they were working around?
these. people. ruined a good man they need to be held accountable. including a former. prez and vice prez
Who exactly is going down the path of Communism?
All I read was a long winded rant, angry that Obama told his people to go by the book while Trump is insisting on some bullshit fabricated crimes that Obama ordered that Trump can’t even explain what the crimes were.
Keep pretending Flynn is innocent in all this too. When you decide to contact the Russian Ambassador about the sanctions out in place as a penalty for Russian interference, don’t be surprised the FBI is listening.
And when you turn around and lie to the FBI about it, don’t be surprised to be charged with a crime.
Who knew the right had so many Russian sympathizers while railing on about socialism and communism.
And for the record, democratic socialism has done just fine across Scandinavia and western Europe for the last 50 years and I don’t see any of them slipping into Communism or losing any freedoms.
But the outrage is comical. I can assume all you boys returned your stimulus checks right? Wouldn’t want you to embrace that big bad socialism bailout ....
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Who exactly is going down the path of Communism?
All I read was a long winded rant, angry that Obama told his people to go by the book while Trump is insisting on some bullshit fabricated crimes that Obama ordered that Trump can’t even explain what the crimes were.
Keep pretending Flynn is innocent in all this too. When you decide to contact the Russian Ambassador about the sanctions out in place as a penalty for Russian interference, don’t be surprised the FBI is listening.
And when you turn around and lie to the FBI about it, don’t be surprised to be charged with a crime.
Who knew the right had so many Russian sympathizers while railing on about socialism and communism.
And for the record, democratic socialism has done just fine across Scandinavia and western Europe for the last 50 years and I don’t see any of them slipping into Communism or losing any freedoms.
But the outrage is comical. I can assume all you boys returned your stimulus checks right? Wouldn’t want you to embrace that big bad socialism bailout ....
Didn't get a stimulus check - and won't be getting one. But Thanks for asking!
Amazing how blinded you are to ANY possible idea that Obama and his staff had any corruption in their veins. Oh well. Thats cool. We will both go deaf and blind arguing between each other on those matters, and neither of us will convince the other one to change their view. At least not on a Football Team forum page. We all have our opinions and what we see as truths.
BUT for the record, when I wrote about Socialism, I refer to true Socialism in places like Venezuala, Nicaragua, Cuba etc. where real socialism takes place - where the Govt. exerts control or ownership of businesses, as opposed to "Socialist Scandinavia and Western Europe" where your really describing a type of welfare state where the Govt. provides a social safety net / generous govt. entitlement programs funded by very high taxes in a mostly free market economy. Remember, its not the Govt. welfare benefits that created the Nordic countries wealth, rather it was the wealth of a very robust/successful free market that have allowed the very generous govt. programs.
Nordic countries can afford these benefits because of their Free market economies. The Govt. is not choosing winners / losers in business. They don't take control of industries (with one exception I know of, which is that Norway owns their oil industry). But lets be real, Norway has a population of 5.3 million / under a third of what New York city is (almost 19 million).
If you want to use the term "Democratic Socialism" in reference to the Nordic countries etc., I can't stop you. I simply disagree in calling them 'Socialist" - I heard of a better way I would describe these countries: more of a Kinder, gentler form of capitalism. But, If you must use the word "social", then I suppose I could go with calling them a "Social Democracy". And there is a difference between "Democratic Socialism" and "Social Democracy".
Basically, These countries have not given up large swaths of freedoms. And that was what I was referring to when I wrote about "Socialism / Communism" - the loss of personally liberty and freedoms, and being controlled by the Govt. in all sorts of ways. I was not referring to the social safety nets and the likes that Govt. provides - Governments need to provide those things - as long as it lets the Free Market Economy do its natural thing. Because that is the only way a Govt. can afford to offer entitlement programs etc. If you Crush the Free Market (Such as in real Socialism - or by keeping people from working) you can say goodbye to having the ability to help people in need.
Quote: @NorthernCalVike said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Who exactly is going down the path of Communism?
All I read was a long winded rant, angry that Obama told his people to go by the book while Trump is insisting on some bullshit fabricated crimes that Obama ordered that Trump can’t even explain what the crimes were.
Keep pretending Flynn is innocent in all this too. When you decide to contact the Russian Ambassador about the sanctions out in place as a penalty for Russian interference, don’t be surprised the FBI is listening.
And when you turn around and lie to the FBI about it, don’t be surprised to be charged with a crime.
Who knew the right had so many Russian sympathizers while railing on about socialism and communism.
And for the record, democratic socialism has done just fine across Scandinavia and western Europe for the last 50 years and I don’t see any of them slipping into Communism or losing any freedoms.
But the outrage is comical. I can assume all you boys returned your stimulus checks right? Wouldn’t want you to embrace that big bad socialism bailout ....
Didn't get a stimulus check - and won't be getting one. But Thanks for asking!
Amazing how blinded you are to ANY possible idea that Obama and his staff had any corruption in their veins. Oh well. Thats cool. We will both go deaf and blind arguing between each other on those matters, and neither of us will convince the other one to change their view. At least not on a Football Team forum page. We all have our opinions and what we see as truths.
BUT for the record, when I wrote about Socialism, I refer to true Socialism in places like Venezuala, Nicaragua, Cuba etc. where real socialism takes place - where the Govt. exerts control or ownership of businesses, as opposed to "Socialist Scandinavia and Western Europe" where your really describing a type of welfare state where the Govt. provides a social safety net / generous govt. entitlement programs funded by very high taxes in a mostly free market economy. Remember, its not the Govt. welfare benefits that created the Nordic countries wealth, rather it was the wealth of a very robust/successful free market that have allowed the very generous govt. programs.
Nordic countries can afford these benefits because of their Free market economies. The Govt. is not choosing winners / losers in business. They don't take control of industries (with one exception I know of, which is that Norway owns their oil industry). But lets be real, Norway has a population of 5.3 million / under a third of what New York city is (almost 19 million).
If you want to use the term "Democratic Socialism" in reference to the Nordic countries etc., I can't stop you. I simply disagree in calling them 'Socialist" - I heard of a better way I would describe these countries: more of a Kinder, gentler form of capitalism. But, If you must use the word "social", then I suppose I could go with calling them a "Social Democracy". And there is a difference between "Democratic Socialism" and "Social Democracy".
Basically, These countries have not given up large swaths of freedoms. And that was what I was referring to when I wrote about "Socialism / Communism" - the loss of personally liberty and freedoms, and being controlled by the Govt. in all sorts of ways. I was not referring to the social safety nets and the likes that Govt. provides - Governments need to provide those things - as long as it lets the Free Market Economy do its natural thing. Because that is the only way a Govt. can afford to offer entitlement programs etc. If you Crush the Free Market (Such as in real Socialism - or by keeping people from working) you can say goodbye to having the ability to help people in need.
So what freedoms are disappearing?
What losses of liberty are being threatened by mean old Democrats? Are you saying we are closer to becoming Venezuela than Norway?
And until there is actual PROOF of corruption by Obama on the same level as Trump or anywhere close for that matter, I am not inclined to assume anything nefarious by him. I go by people’s track records rather than by words. And compared to Trump, Obama is a fucking saint.
The lying by Trump has been proven thousands of times. The fraud - Trump University and his “charity” aka personal piggy bank, has been proven - bith resulted in being dissolved and multi-million dollar fines. Thousands of lawsuits vs contractors, businesses partners has been proven. Trump is the only POTUS in history to personally benefit from every taxpayer-funded golf vacation to his own resorts. He has systemically destroyed any oversight and checks and balances on his administration ... from hiring a lapdog AG in Barr, to firing 4 Inspector Generals. Trump accused Obama of not being a US citizen and having a fake birth certificate. He claimed to send a team of investigators who found “amazing things, believe me”. Hillary’s emails, he’s gonna lock her up. What the fuck gives him any credibility?
Yeah, if you guys want to keep falling for this predictable Trump accusing others bullshit that this asshole has been spewing for decades, that’s your own perogative. Fool me once ... fool me a 100x and still believe it then you’re in cult worship territory.
If Obama had some track record of corruption, lying, deceit then I’d be willing to listen. The facts are we have the most corrupt administration in history in power, and forgive me that I don’t believe a fucking thing they say anymore. So if Obama tried to stay above the fray and not interfere and tell his people “do it by the book”, yeah I believe him.
Quote: @medaille said:
This might sound like a silly question, but how confident are we that Rice is in the group that was targeting Trump, seeing that they bypassed her in the chain of communication? Is there evidence that she's not a normie that they were working around?
It was Sally Yates (interim AG director) that was bypassed, not Susan Rice. 
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ medaille said:
This might sound like a silly question, but how confident are we that Rice is in the group that was targeting Trump, seeing that they bypassed her in the chain of communication? Is there evidence that she's not a normie that they were working around?
It was Sally Yates (interim FBI director) that was bypassed, not Susan Rice.
Son of a ... That makes more sense.
I remember Sally Yates, she was the first AG that wouldn't take the Trump Loyalty Oath. Barr was the first to take it.
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I remember Sally Yates, she was the first AG that wouldn't take the Trump Loyalty Oath. Barr was the first to take it.
Ahhh, for the good ol' days when the AG openly professed his role as the "wingman". Remember this?
https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico4...man-160861
"Attorney General Eric Holder brushed off a question Thursday about when he might leave the administration. Instead, the top lawman professed his allegiance to President Barack Obama.
"I’m still enjoying what I’m doing, there’s still work to be done. I’m still the President’s wing-man, so I’m there with my boy. So we’ll see," Holder said in an interview on the Tom Joyner radio show.
Contrast those ^^ sentiments, with AG Barr who JUST THIS WEEK, forecast that he fore-saw NO indictments of Obama & Biden, thus far. IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION, to Trump's recently stated/tweeted thoughts that Obama/Biden should be investigated. https://time.com/5838576/barr-investigat...den-obama/
"President Donald Trump accused Attorney General William Barr on Monday of following a “double standard” by not following through with a criminal investigation into former President Barack Obama or Vice President Joe Biden.
“I have no doubt that they [Obama and Biden] were involved in this hoax,” Trump said during a White House event with restaurant industry executives. Earlier Monday, Barr said he didn’t expect that Obama or Biden would face charges stemming from a probe into the origins of the Russia investigation.
“I think it’s just a continuation of a double standard. I’m surprised by it,” Trump said, referring to Barr’s remarks. He did, however, stress that he entered the event with restaurant owners around the time Barr was making the statement, and he praised the attorney general as “honorable.”
One AG (Holder) professes his role as POTUS "wingman"... and another AG (Barr) contradicts his POTUS (the next day!), on his POTUS'S signature issue.
So BigAl...exactly what is your definition of this so-called "loyalty oath"?
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