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@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@pumpf said:

Thank you for taking the time to write this up.  Yes, I would look forward to hearing more about the "history" of CC.  Thanks!

I am not really going to get into every detail.... but the livestock issue.. we have really only replaced bison with cattle in terms of numbers here in the US.  200 years ago there were 50-60 million bison roaming the plains,  and they have been replaced by about 90 million beef (which are smaller in stature so it would stand to reason that they are not expelling the same amount of gases as their larger counter parts.  both animals digestive processes are similar.

if its more of a global issue then the solutions need to be applied globally and not unfairly targeting American producers while those in developing countries get a pass and put American ranchers out of business... of course IMO its not about the environment, its about packers getting to own the land, ranches, and animals as well as the packing houses.

Yup, the beef producers are still private.  The meat industry doesn't like that.  Pork and chicken have already been gobbled up.

not for long,  the packers own their own feedlots and have massive beef producers that they use to control the prices as they need.   the final step is for them to gobble up the land and they will complete the take over of the industry.. and they are working towards that too,    The major packers have systematically worked their way down from killing markets for smaller packers to drive them out,  then by controlling market prices to kill non agreeable feed lot operators,  to now manipulating the feeder market to get rid of the producers that wont work for them.  The govt needs to get back into monopoly breaking and we will see real money in this country once again.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@Skodin said:
You are absolutely right, this is a global issue. America as the leading economy, who has the largest stake in a healthy planet for a growing economy and livelihood needs to take the leading position in these global affairs.  The US military who is the brains behind global affairs on a long term outlook understand the significance of climate change and it’s global implications.  We need to lead by example to keep programs like the Paris Climate Accord, not only going but holding economies WHO NEED AMERICA to higher standards.  Easier to push Nigeria to cleaning up their O&G industry for renewables when we lead the planet in climate change influence.  

*The reason I chose Nigeria is the availability of solar resource teamed up with their growing population, LAGOS, have over 21 million people in the MSA.  That is the equivalent population of the top 9 US CITIES COMBINED.  With US influence, those 21 million in Nigeria can have a lower CO2 impact per capita, which is what we need, what the world needs.

The growth of the global population, the rising of country status, economic development has been spurred by American leadership, influence, export, and innovation.  Not a bad thing, it’s a great thing to raise people out of poverty.  This doesn’t account for the global influence we have or had in regards to exporting technology and innovation vs China globally.  One this issue we risk losing it all EXCEPT for Defense Sponsored influence.  Through resource and energy, China is growing their global influence significantly, not only developing increasing trade relationships but influence in key resource areas.  China’s ONE BELT ONE ROAD is their game plan.  

Not embracing this challenge and leading from it, we are creating a massive power vacuum globally to be dominated by the CCP.

What American industries are being harmed by the implementation of stricter rules regarding carbon?  Fossil Fuels?  Massive animal AG?  If the sharecroppers I mean smaller US farmers want to have a stake in this then they better back policies that utilize these tools for Grass Lands, Rice Cultivation, Soil Enrichment, Livestock Management, not push back on them.  The emissions output from the US livestock industry ALONE is the equivalent of Iraq’s total annual emissions number, 1/3 of Saudi’s.  Why can’t WE have Shell pay the farmer for better land practices in offsets of carbon?  If we remain divided it means Shell can continue to be the asshole, supporting the narrative to say climate change isn’t real making money in what should be a dying industry on a dying planet.  When you do that Shell wins, the farmer, you, and I lose.

Regarding Fossil Fuels, the costs / energy, the job creation and wealth associated, the technology now weighs in favor of renewables despite FF being subsidized by the G20 4X to the value of renewables.  If you had to incorporate the financial cost associated with Climate Change, in the costing factor on an energy basis, FF would be DEAD.

You understand how hard it is come up with cross border, cross aisle solutions for this crisis that affects every single one of us, when one side says CLIMATE CHANGE ISN’T REAL.  How do you effectuate programs based on economic drivers for these stakeholders (needing their input) when you have a portion of the country fighting back with limited understanding of causes and potential benefits?  It takes big boy actions to do this, because climate change is an existential threat to all of us.

the arrogance of those pushing this shit is why so many wont embrace it.  Share croppers... what a dick thing to say,   it really shows your ignorance in the matter.

and the subsidies paid to FF vs renewable we have had this conversation before and I posted a lost of info refuting that statement and you didnt respond so save that one as I wont waste my time again.

have a good day.

 #1, I don’t call them sharecroppers because i think it’s funny, I call them it because that’s what animal ag has become.  A fucking horrific system that is making small farmers compete with themselves.  They will be the first to explain how the rules and the bidding wars are making small farming impossible.  The DICK thing to say is to say this doesn’t exist, but if you don’t like my words how about from the examples beneath:

Here, from the American Conservative: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/monster-turns-our-farmers-into-serfs-and-sharecroppers/

And that other liberal rag FarmAid.org: https://www.farmaid.org/blog/john-oliver-willie-nelson-you/

It’s almost as if you care more about what people represent (ideology) than the actual people themselves.  What is your feedback from the farmers themselves?  Going to tell them that they are wrong?

#2, fossil fuel subsidies are a well known fact.  You also stated you don’t support any business that needs subsidies to survive.  Take away the subsidies for the industry and let’s see what happens.

Scientific American, Forbes, the International Energy Agency, and the IMF must all be wrong, you pissed off at the wind farms must be right.

It’s people like you who can’t take a look at the facts around you and understand that your stance and lack of willingness to negotiate is a part of the problem.   You take it personal, “arrogance”, because you can’t fight it with facts, and you know that you belief system is crumbling.  The problem we all have is as long as you stick to this, we all suffer.  

There are solutions that can include who deny CC, they have to first be willing to admit to having an open mind.

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@medaille said:

@Skodin said:
You are absolutely right, this is a global issue. America as the leading economy, who has the largest stake in a healthy planet for a growing economy and livelihood needs to take the leading position in these global affairs.  The US military who is the brains behind global affairs on a long term outlook understand the significance of climate change and it’s global implications.  We need to lead by example to keep programs like the Paris Climate Accord, not only going but holding economies WHO NEED AMERICA to higher standards.  Easier to push Nigeria to cleaning up their O&G industry for renewables when we lead the planet in climate change influence.  

*The reason I chose Nigeria is the availability of solar resource teamed up with their growing population, LAGOS, have over 21 million people in the MSA.  That is the equivalent population of the top 9 US CITIES COMBINED.  With US influence, those 21 million in Nigeria can have a lower CO2 impact per capita, which is what we need, what the world needs.

The growth of the global population, the rising of country status, economic development has been spurred by American leadership, influence, export, and innovation.  Not a bad thing, it’s a great thing to raise people out of poverty.  This doesn’t account for the global influence we have or had in regards to exporting technology and innovation vs China globally.  With this one this issue we risk losing it all EXCEPT for Defense Sponsored influence.  Who are you really better friends with, your neighbor who grows vegetables next to you, shares tools, or the neighbor with a stock pile of guns in house, with only that to offer?  We have become the latter sadly.  Through resource and energy, China is growing their global influence significantly, not only developing increasing trade relationships but influence in key resource areas.  China’s ONE BELT ONE ROAD is their game plan.  

Not embracing this challenge and leading from it, we are creating a massive power vacuum globally to be dominated by the CCP.

What American industries are being harmed by the implementation of stricter rules regarding carbon?  Fossil Fuels?  Massive animal AG?  If the sharecroppers I mean smaller US farmers want to have a stake in this then they better back policies that utilize these tools for Grass Lands, Rice Cultivation, Soil Enrichment, Livestock Management, not push back on them.  The emissions output from the US livestock industry ALONE is the equivalent of Iraq’s total annual emissions number, 1/3 of Saudi’s.  Why can’t WE have Shell pay the farmer for better land practices in offsets of carbon?  If we remain divided it means Shell can continue to be the asshole, supporting the narrative to say climate change isn’t real making money in what should be a dying industry on a dying planet.  When you do that Shell wins, the farmer, you, and I lose.

Regarding Fossil Fuels, the costs / energy, the job creation and employee wealth associated, the technology now weighs in favor of renewables despite FF being subsidized by the G20 4X to the value of renewables.  If you had to incorporate the financial cost associated with Climate Change, in the costing factor on an energy basis, FF would be DEAD.  We have amazing minds in this country with the greatest access to more information than ever before, if we slide over some of our financial focus from dying industries and defense to climate related programs, this would be solved in a significantly tighter timeline than what we are on now.

You understand how hard it is come up with cross border, cross aisle solutions for this crisis that affects every single one of us, when one side says CLIMATE CHANGE ISN’T REAL.  How do you effectuate programs based on economic drivers for these stakeholders (needing their input) when you have a portion of the country fighting back with limited understanding of causes and potential benefits?  It takes big boy actions to do this, because climate change is an existential threat to all of us.

The number one thing we need to do is to create “Standard of
Living” tariffs.


In the preTrump free trade era, we created high ecological standards
for our companies to follow, but these high standards didn’t apply to imported
goods.  This gave them an economic advantage
over us, which moved jobs overseas, while at the same time creating a loophole
that prevents our caring of the environment from manifesting.  As long as we import our goods from countries
that don’t care about the environment, it will always be a losing battle for
the Earth.  We need to create a financial
incentive that encourages our suppliers to do the right thing, and “Standard of
Living” tariffs are the means to do that. 
Any goods that are coming in from a country that has lower standards of
living (particularly environmental) will be tariffed an amount that equals the
amount our suppliers have had to pay to meet the regulations we’re following.  So they’re given a choice, rise to our level
of caring or pay the same cost anyway which we can use to subsidize our businesses.  So maybe a good from Germany might have no tariffs
because they are meeting our environmental requirements, and the same good from
China might have noticeable tariffs because they don’t.

Absolutely agree on imported goods.  I am working with a local farmer who wants to calculate the CO2 associated with his produce as a selling point for people to have another reason to buy his local produce versus importing.  It’s a valid point, and a good basis for a cost associated with environmental impact/detriments of carbon.  It’s this crazy fear that IF we show things for the price that they really are, we would all lose.  That’s insane.  Those who have the capital and influence would lose, the ones who make $1 menu cheeseburger a real thing, a cheap disgusting sandwich that is sold to Americans under the guise of value when it’s subsidized to the tilt and does nothing but add to the health care cost of this country.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@pumpf said:

Thank you for taking the time to write this up.  Yes, I would look forward to hearing more about the "history" of CC.  Thanks!

I am not really going to get into every detail.... but the livestock issue.. we have really only replaced bison with cattle in terms of numbers here in the US.  200 years ago there were 50-60 million bison roaming the plains,  and they have been replaced by about 90 million beef (which are smaller in stature so it would stand to reason that they are not expelling the same amount of gases as their larger counter parts.  both animals digestive processes are similar.

if its more of a global issue then the solutions need to be applied globally and not unfairly targeting American producers while those in developing countries get a pass and put American ranchers out of business... of course IMO its not about the environment, its about packers getting to own the land, ranches, and animals as well as the packing houses.

Yup, the beef producers are still private.  The meat industry doesn't like that.  Pork and chicken have already been gobbled up.

not for long,  the packers own their own feedlots and have massive beef producers that they use to control the prices as they need.   the final step is for them to gobble up the land and they will complete the take over of the industry.. and they are working towards that too,    The major packers have systematically worked their way down from killing markets for smaller packers to drive them out,  then by controlling market prices to kill non agreeable feed lot operators,  to now manipulating the feeder market to get rid of the producers that wont work for them.  The govt needs to get back into monopoly breaking and we will see real money in this country once again.

Sorry, but the gov't and FDA are part of the making of the monopoly.  Time to encourage selling direct.  Time to learn how to be a butcher.

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@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@pumpf said:

Thank you for taking the time to write this up.  Yes, I would look forward to hearing more about the "history" of CC.  Thanks!

I am not really going to get into every detail.... but the livestock issue.. we have really only replaced bison with cattle in terms of numbers here in the US.  200 years ago there were 50-60 million bison roaming the plains,  and they have been replaced by about 90 million beef (which are smaller in stature so it would stand to reason that they are not expelling the same amount of gases as their larger counter parts.  both animals digestive processes are similar.

if its more of a global issue then the solutions need to be applied globally and not unfairly targeting American producers while those in developing countries get a pass and put American ranchers out of business... of course IMO its not about the environment, its about packers getting to own the land, ranches, and animals as well as the packing houses.

Yup, the beef producers are still private.  The meat industry doesn't like that.  Pork and chicken have already been gobbled up.

not for long,  the packers own their own feedlots and have massive beef producers that they use to control the prices as they need.   the final step is for them to gobble up the land and they will complete the take over of the industry.. and they are working towards that too,    The major packers have systematically worked their way down from killing markets for smaller packers to drive them out,  then by controlling market prices to kill non agreeable feed lot operators,  to now manipulating the feeder market to get rid of the producers that wont work for them.  The govt needs to get back into monopoly breaking and we will see real money in this country once again.

Sorry, but the gov't and FDA are part of the making of the monopoly.  Time to encourage selling direct.  Time to learn how to be a butcher.

What economic policy is a monopoly, you don't like capitalism?  Are you a Pinko?

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@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

not for long,  the packers own their own feedlots and have massive beef producers that they use to control the prices as they need.   the final step is for them to gobble up the land and they will complete the take over of the industry.. and they are working towards that too,    The major packers have systematically worked their way down from killing markets for smaller packers to drive them out,  then by controlling market prices to kill non agreeable feed lot operators,  to now manipulating the feeder market to get rid of the producers that wont work for them.  The govt needs to get back into monopoly breaking and we will see real money in this country once again.

Sorry, but the gov't and FDA are part of the making of the monopoly.  Time to encourage selling direct.  Time to learn how to be a butcher.

I don’t think there’s any real way around it.  As citizens we will need to regain control
over our government.  As long as
lobbyists and big business have more control over our government than we do we
will be fighting a losing battle.

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@medaille said:

@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:

not for long,  the packers own their own feedlots and have massive beef producers that they use to control the prices as they need.   the final step is for them to gobble up the land and they will complete the take over of the industry.. and they are working towards that too,    The major packers have systematically worked their way down from killing markets for smaller packers to drive them out,  then by controlling market prices to kill non agreeable feed lot operators,  to now manipulating the feeder market to get rid of the producers that wont work for them.  The govt needs to get back into monopoly breaking and we will see real money in this country once again.

Sorry, but the gov't and FDA are part of the making of the monopoly.  Time to encourage selling direct.  Time to learn how to be a butcher.

I don’t think there’s any real way around it.  As citizens we will need to regain control
over our government.  As long as
lobbyists and big business have more control over our government than we do we
will be fighting a losing battle.

The pleas have been made,  unfortunately the govt and the media turn them into wing nuts as far as the rest of the country gets to see.   That shit a few years back over grazing rights on federal lands and what they are doing to the ranchers in the western US is a perfect example... of course when it was a mob of armed 2nd amendment supporters that showed up in support instead of ranchers from all over the country it really made the medias job pretty easy,  but the govt is certainly bought and paid for by the corporate farmers and the industrialized beef and pork machines. 

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@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:

@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:

@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:

@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Sorry, I don't take your opinion serious either.  So carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you.  I won't bother to respond since the little I read of your response has any relevance to my opinion.
But yes, God help us.

So you are the one who is quoting a youtube source who falsified the data in her experiments, is a joke in the medical community, who claims Fauci and Gates are using Americans as guinea pigs in some money making scheme ...

and then you tell me “you don’t take my opinion serious“ that this dumb bitch’s wackjob video has been debunked  and to “carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you”.


I would try to explain the concept of irony as clearly it’s totally lost on you, but I don’t think pictures, crayons and small words are going to help.

Show me the evidence of the money trail you suggested.  That was your premise:  this is a nefarious money making scheme by two guys who IMO clearly don’t seem to care about money, but by all means - prove your opinion.  Did you follow the money?  Where did it lead?  


Or did you find it was a dead-end nothingburger and you’re too chicken-shit to admit the truth?

I didn't quote anything that I can see.  I referenced that video as something to look at. 

And no, I have plenty of research, I just choose to ignore you.  Your approach is so asinine and I don't feel the need to feed a troll.

Ahhh ... so we are going with the “I know the answer, but I’m not going to tell you and just ignore you” defense.


Cool!  

I remember that tactic in 2nd grade when I was caught trying to explain something I had no fucking clue about either.

nope.  just don't feel the need to feed the troll blathering on and on.  But I am glad you recognize that you had no fucking clue what you were talking about.

Yes, when I was in 2nd grade.

The fact you resort to the same tactic as an adult because you can’t prove anything you hypothesized about, nor can you prove anything I was wrong about, is embarrassing.

But I get it, you prefer to rely on feelings rather than facts.  

lol, I love it that you are all worked up and calling names because I chose not to waste my time debating you.  I was replying to Jimmy although I predicted my response would get some worked up. 

I will spell it out simply one more time.  I am not going to waste my time debating with an internet troll.  I was talking with someone else and I choose to ignore your interjection that I prove something to you that you won't even read.

I find it hilarious you think that I called you names or am worked up.  Neither happened.

You made a claim that I pointed out has no truth to it.  Now you don’t want to back it up because you know it’s wrong and then you lash out at me, calling me names and calling me a troll, for pointing out facts.  Then you accuse me of doing exactly what you’re doing.  

Hilarious, and so very Trump-ian.

Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.

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@SFVikeFan said:

@greediron said:

lol, I love it that you are all worked up and calling names because I chose not to waste my time debating you.  I was replying to Jimmy although I predicted my response would get some worked up. 

I will spell it out simply one more time.  I am not going to waste my time debating with an internet troll.  I was talking with someone else and I choose to ignore your interjection that I prove something to you that you won't even read.

blah blah 2nd grade insult, blah blah, i am so smart, blah blah blah, ooh 3rd grade insult

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Well I am just going to wait on what CNN Coronavirus expert Greta Thurberg. Or whatever her name is tells me what I should do.  I mean after all she was an expert on Global Warming and someone we all should listen to....