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@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Very well said. I wish I had the energy and drive like you to keep hitting the point home but I unfortunately don't. It is beyond disbelief what people would latch on to in terms of divergent views. In this day and age its 'normal' how we don't question the things we should question but are quick to latch on to things that from a common sense perspective make no sense. But again what even is common sense anymore?

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@SFVikeFan said:



The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Using "climate change" as an example of "settled science" (that is "fact" beyond all reasonable doubt) probably is why so many people are willing to accept conspiracy theories.  Despite being told- over and over again- that it is a "fact", reasonable people- who are willing to be skeptical and do some actual "research" on their own- can easily arrive at a different conclusion.  And since the most basic question regarding "climate change" can't be answered ("How much- a specific percentage- of the "change" can be directly attributed to man?"), I think it's reasonable to question the conclusions.

Again, reasonable people might be able to agree that the climate is "changing", because the earth's climate has been recorded as "changing" in the past.  So that's not really the issue.  The issue is whether or not the "change" is actually bad... and whether or not it is man-made.  Those are questions that have not been answered in a factual manner.  Scientific theories are predicated on making predictions and then seeing whether or not those predictions come true.  So far, none of the fact-based predictions have been proven to be true.  Yet half the country calls it "settled science".  No wonder people are wary of "science" and "experts"! 

It's no different than the "news": when people start to realize that "journalists" have a bias (no matter what it may be) and that their bias is evident in what they report (or choose not to report), reasonable people start to wonder if they can even trust those journalists.  

If people want trust to be given to "scientists" and "journalists", then those entities have to earn it by being honest, no matter what the cost to their own personal ideologies.  Until that happens, you're going to continue to have people believing conspiracy theories.  Sadly, most of the people who are active on social media are more than happy to accept dishonesty- as long as it benefits their side.  Case in point: the coverage of Kavanaugh vs. Biden.  They were clearly handled differently by different "news" outlets... and it was not because one claim was more credible than the other.

In summary: you reap what you sow.  If you traffic in dishonesty, don't be surprised when people don't trust you.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

I do think its funny that you call it climate change... what happened to man made global warming?  oh yeah,  the science changed as the data came in so they renamed the cause hoping that nobody would notice and they could keep pulling people into their money grab. 

Wait...what? It was republican marketing strategist Frank Luntz who advised Bush and other republicans to change the term "global warming" to "climate change." 

To minimize the climate crisis, in an infamous memo back in 2002 Luntz advised President George W. Bush to emphasize uncertainty in climate science. He also told Bush to swap out the term “global warming” and replace it with “climate change,” which Luntz thought sounded less threatening.

Luntz was also responsible for changing "estate tax" to "death tax" and encouraged Trump to stop using the term " border wall" in favor of "border security." 

It's also worth nothing that Luntz, once a vehement climate denier, is now calling for action on the climate: "“I’m here before you now to say that I was wrong in 2001,” Luntz told the Senate committee. “Just stop using something that I wrote 18 years ago, because it’s not accurate today.”

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@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Sorry, I don't take your opinion serious either.  So carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you.  I won't bother to respond since the little I read of your response has any relevance to my opinion.
But yes, God help us.

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@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

I do think its funny that you call it climate change... what happened to man made global warming?  oh yeah,  the science changed as the data came in so they renamed the cause hoping that nobody would notice and they could keep pulling people into their money grab. 

Wait...what? It was republican marketing strategist Frank Luntz who advised Bush and other republicans to change the term "global warming" to "climate change." 

To minimize the climate crisis, in an infamous memo back in 2002 Luntz advised President George W. Bush to emphasize uncertainty in climate science. He also told Bush to swap out the term “global warming” and replace it with “climate change,” which Luntz thought sounded less threatening.

Luntz was also responsible for changing "estate tax" to "death tax" and encouraged Trump to stop using the term " border wall" in favor of "border security." 

It's also worth nothing that Luntz, once a vehement climate denier, is now calling for action on the climate: "“I’m here before you now to say that I was wrong in 2001,” Luntz told the Senate committee. “Just stop using something that I wrote 18 years ago, because it’s not accurate today.”

Because Bush and everyone with GOP in their bio is conservative.  Bush was part of the central ruling party.

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There is zero wrong with being a contrarian.  One of the greatest minds of our generation wrote a book on how to be young contrarian.  Contrarian doesn’t mean be an asshole.  Latching on to wildly speculative theories with ulterior motives for global domination and using that as a reason to justify actions putting others at increased health risk is being an asshole.

I would like the board experts here in climate change to explain how climate change happens, actually happens, understanding the thermodynamics, glacial-interglacial cyclical eras, the molecular structure of GHG gases, solar albedo, functions of surface temperature, and most importantly how 95% of scientists are wrong.  The same data understanding that we all take for granted in understanding our daily temperature, seasonal variety, etc, is the back bone for this same climate science.

I am currently enrolled in a program at MIT for Climate Science, not policy, but the understanding of the science of CO2 and worst, CH4.  Understanding the different periods of changing climate on earth and why heat currently gets trapped inside our atmosphere.  When taken from a scientific breakdown, it seems quite obvious on why the planet is getting warmer, humans exacerbate the problem by production.  

What stake people have in denying CC speaks more about them versus the nature of the science.

In science, everything this a theory.  Gravity is theory, feel free to disprove it.

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@Skodin said:
There is zero wrong with being a contrarian.  One of the greatest minds of our generation wrote a book on how to be young contrarian.  Contrarian doesn’t mean be an asshole.  Latching on to wildly speculative theories with ulterior motives for global domination and using that as a reason to justify actions putting others at increased health risk is being an asshole.

I would like the board experts here in climate change to explain how climate change happens, actually happens, understanding the thermodynamics, glacial-interglacial cyclical eras, the molecular structure of GHG gases, solar albedo, functions of surface temperature, and most importantly how 95% of scientists are wrong.  The same data understanding that we all take for granted in understanding our daily temperature, seasonal variety, etc, is the back bone for this same climate science.

I am currently enrolled in a program at MIT for Climate Science, not policy, but the understanding of the science of CO2 and worst, CH4.  Understanding the different periods of changing climate on earth and why heat currently gets trapped inside our atmosphere.  When taken from a scientific breakdown, it seems quite obvious on why the planet is getting warmer, humans exacerbate the problem by production.  

What stake people have in denying CC speaks more about them versus the nature of the science.

In science, everything this a theory.  Gravity is theory, feel free to disprove it.

With respect to your expertise in these matters, can you answer the questions that I alluded to previously?

1. If the climate "changed" in the past (before the Industrial Revolution), what caused it?
2. What percentage of CC (that is happening now) can be attributed to man vs. the factors that, previously, caused it (in the past)?
3. Is there evidence for CC on other planets?  I've read that there is, but I would prefer to hear it from someone who actually studies this stuff.
4. If there is (CC on other planets), what is the cause?  Is it similar to the causes for CC in our planet's history?

These are questions for which I've never heard any answers.  So if you could help, that would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

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@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Sorry, I don't take your opinion serious either.  So carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you.  I won't bother to respond since the little I read of your response has any relevance to my opinion.
But yes, God help us.

So you are the one who is quoting a youtube source who falsified the data in her experiments, is a joke in the medical community, who claims Fauci and Gates are using Americans as guinea pigs in some money making scheme ...

and then you tell me “you don’t take my opinion serious“ that this dumb bitch’s wackjob video has been debunked  and to “carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you”.


I would try to explain the concept of irony as clearly it’s totally lost on you, but I don’t think pictures, crayons and small words are going to help.

Show me the evidence of the money trail you suggested.  That was your premise:  this is a nefarious money making scheme by two guys who IMO clearly don’t seem to care about money, but by all means - prove your opinion.  Did you follow the money?  Where did it lead?  


Or did you find it was a dead-end nothingburger and you’re too chicken-shit to admit the truth?

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@SFVikeFan said:

@greediron said:

@SFVikeFan said:
Sorry Greed but first using “Plandemic” as a source and then using the Faucci Bill Gates angle is looney fucking tunes.  My girlfriend has been in healthcare for 15 years and it’s maddening to read the amount if idiots that believe any of the shit from Plandemic.

Plandemic is fucking nonsense, debunked horse shit.  I am not even going to go into that one because it would be 10 pages of debunking everything.

Secondly, Gates.  Largest philanthropist in the country and a real billionaire unlike Trump, who steals from his own charity.  But you think this is a “follow the money” type scenario from one of the world’s most charitable human beings.


Well do your research and follow the money.  First off when Fauci did have to register a patent for a discovery of a vaccination back in early 2000’s, per federal law, he was in fact paid for it.  Over the next 10-15 years he made total royalties of $46,000.  If I remember correctly he donated it to charity. 


So these 2 evil masterminds who are not motivated by greed, but genuinely want to help people, are going to try and fuck over the American people for financial gain?

BULLSHIT.


Sorry but just because we all know that’s what Trump would do, doesn’t mean that’s everyone else’s motivations.


It’s a virus, something we have never seen before.  Very hard to predict,  the speed, the transmission, the mortality rate. Has Fauci been wrong in some early hypotheses and predictions?  Absolutely.  Does that mean we should stop trusting him, or make him less qualified to be in his position?  Fuck no.


The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Sorry, I don't take your opinion serious either.  So carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you.  I won't bother to respond since the little I read of your response has any relevance to my opinion.
But yes, God help us.

So you are the one who is quoting a youtube source who falsified the data in her experiments, is a joke in the medical community, who claims Fauci and Gates are using Americans as guinea pigs in some money making scheme ...

and then you tell me “you don’t take my opinion serious“ that this dumb bitch’s wackjob video has been debunked  and to “carry on, live in fear, believe what they feed you”.


I would try to explain the concept of irony as clearly it’s totally lost on you, but I don’t think pictures, crayons and small words are going to help.

Show me the evidence of the money trail you suggested.  That was your premise:  this is a nefarious money making scheme by two guys who IMO clearly don’t seem to care about money, but by all means - prove your opinion.  Did you follow the money?  Where did it lead?  


Or did you find it was a dead-end nothingburger and you’re too chicken-shit to admit the truth?

I didn't quote anything that I can see.  I referenced that video as something to look at. 

And no, I have plenty of research, I just choose to ignore you.  Your approach is so asinine and I don't feel the need to feed a troll.

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@pumpf said:

@SFVikeFan said:



The speed at which some of you latch onto unproven conspiracy theories from disgraced nutjobs and question the actions of dedicated scientists is fucking amazing.  We can’t get half of you to believe in the science and research behind climate change, but you can watch one wackadoodle with a youtube video throwing Fauci under the bus and you’re all in.


God help us.

Using "climate change" as an example of "settled science" (that is "fact" beyond all reasonable doubt) probably is why so many people are willing to accept conspiracy theories.  Despite being told- over and over again- that it is a "fact", reasonable people- who are willing to be skeptical and do some actual "research" on their own- can easily arrive at a different conclusion.  And since the most basic question regarding "climate change" can't be answered ("How much- a specific percentage- of the "change" can be directly attributed to man?"), I think it's reasonable to question the conclusions.

Again, reasonable people might be able to agree that the climate is "changing", because the earth's climate has been recorded as "changing" in the past.  So that's not really the issue.  The issue is whether or not the "change" is actually bad... and whether or not it is man-made.  Those are questions that have not been answered in a factual manner.  Scientific theories are predicated on making predictions and then seeing whether or not those predictions come true.  So far, none of the fact-based predictions have been proven to be true.  Yet half the country calls it "settled science".  No wonder people are wary of "science" and "experts"! 

It's no different than the "news": when people start to realize that "journalists" have a bias (no matter what it may be) and that their bias is evident in what they report (or choose not to report), reasonable people start to wonder if they can even trust those journalists.  

If people want trust to be given to "scientists" and "journalists", then those entities have to earn it by being honest, no matter what the cost to their own personal ideologies.  Until that happens, you're going to continue to have people believing conspiracy theories.  Sadly, most of the people who are active on social media are more than happy to accept dishonesty- as long as it benefits their side.  Case in point: the coverage of Kavanaugh vs. Biden.  They were clearly handled differently by different "news" outlets... and it was not because one claim was more credible than the other.

In summary: you reap what you sow.  If you traffic in dishonesty, don't be surprised when people don't trust you.

Nowhere did I use the term as “settled science” or “fact”.


I said we can’t get you to believe in the science and research behind it.  How is it that the vast majority of scientists from all over the world arrive at the same conclusion?  They are all in on this?


Climate change is ongoing, has been happening for millions of years.


What is constantly left out of the discussion by the climate science deniers is that it is the rate of change that is alarming.  When ecosystems have tens of thousands of years to adapt to change that’s one thing.  When it happens over a century or even decades, that’s a whole new ball game.  So what soed up the rate of change?  I suppose the population explosion, industrial revolution, and skyrocketing pollution are just one big fucking inconvenient coincidence that since we can’t assign a %  to its contribution, we should just disregard it completely?


And yet you devoted your life to believe in a faith that can’t be proven if God even exists .... and with the Catholic church’s sullied reputation of kiddy molesting and then protecting the molestors from arrest, don’t be surprised when people don’t trust you.


No wonder people are weary of pastors.


Ironic, no?