Quote: @wiviking said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Samia has a little Conrad Dobbler in him...hopefully he grows into an enforcer type player...
that just sounds really uncomfortable.
That's why he plays so pissed off.
" issues with core strength and body control at the point of attack must be improved "
Hasn't this been said about every O-lineman the Vikings have drafted in recent years?
The zone running scheme is great, but the linemen still need to have the functional strength to pass block when its third and long and everyone knows a pass is coming.
At least Samia has the attitude to give great effort when playing. That is a good starting point.
I think we should kick Reiff inside and let Elflein and Samia fight it out for RG. Elf would look better there as he just isnt as adept against speed as he is power. Collins is first backup if healthy
Quote: @Bullazin said:
I think we should kick Reiff inside and let Elflein and Samia fight it out for RG. Elf would look better there as he just isnt as adept against speed as he is power. Collins is first backup if healthy
I think we let them all fight it out at all spots and put the best 5 we can on the field. Nobody's position should be safe.
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
" issues with core strength and body control at the point of attack must be improved "
Hasn't this been said about every O-lineman the Vikings have drafted in recent years?
The zone running scheme is great, but the linemen still need to have the functional strength to pass block when its third and long and everyone knows a pass is coming.
At least Samia has the attitude to give great effort when playing. That is a good starting point.
That's a common criticism amongst a lot of OLine rookies. You just don't usually come out of college with NFL strength, and it's compounded with us drafting lighter faster guys.
The Vikings need to cut or trade Reiff. The Chargers could be a team interested as all the have is Sam Tevi and Trey Pipkins opposite Byran Bulaga.
The Vikings need to save Reiff's cap space to use in better places. After the sign the rookies they will have about 8.75 mil in cap space.
Add in the 8.8 mil for getting rid of Reiff and they now are at about 17.5 mil in cap space.
What can they do with that? Carry it over to 2021 or use it to extend Cook two years.
I would essentially make the next 3 years be for 24 mil with incentives based on snaps played and awards.
They could wait on Cook too.
Next year, O'Neill should be extended with a 5 year 75 mil deal (or thereabouts).
They could give him a 15 mil roster bonus (which is all the cap space carried over) and a 5 mil signing bonus.
His salary for 2021 of $1,080,095 would stay the same.
His salaries from 2022 thru 2025 would be 11, 14, 15, & 15 mil.
His cap hits would be 17.4 in 2021, 12, 15, 16, & 16 mil.
The cap savings from getting rid of an average at his very best Reiff is important.
Ezra Cleveland needs to start from day one. If he struggles they can use Hill and Udoh.
I think next year is a rebuild of sorts and I do not think the inexperienced corners, interior OL, and defensive ends will prove good enough to truly contend for the title.
Keeping Reiff at his current salary is just dumb.
If they do keep him, how many will be saying he needs to go next year or will there still be reasons offered why the Vikings should absorb his 13 mil cap hit next year?
Makes too much sense to move on and go with the YOUTS.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings need to cut or trade Reiff. The Chargers could be a team interested as all the have is Sam Tevi and Trey Pipkins opposite Byran Bulaga.
The Vikings need to save Reiff's cap space to use in better places. After the sign the rookies they will have about 8.75 mil in cap space.
Add in the 8.8 mil for getting rid of Reiff and they now are at about 17.5 mil in cap space.
What can they do with that? Carry it over to 2021 or use it to extend Cook two years.
I would essentially make the next 3 years be for 24 mil with incentives based on snaps played and awards.
They could wait on Cook too.
Next year, O'Neill should be extended with a 5 year 75 mil deal (or thereabouts).
They could give him a 15 mil roster bonus (which is all the cap space carried over) and a 5 mil signing bonus.
His salary for 2021 of $1,080,095 would stay the same.
His salaries from 2022 thru 2025 would be 11, 14, 15, & 15 mil.
His cap hits would be 17.4 in 2021, 12, 15, 16, & 16 mil.
The cap savings from getting rid of an average at his very best Reiff is important.
Ezra Cleveland needs to start from day one. If he struggles they can use Hill and Udoh.
I think next year is a rebuild of sorts and I do not think the inexperienced corners, interior OL, and defensive ends will prove good enough to truly contend for the title.
Keeping Reiff at his current salary is just dumb.
If they do keep him, how many will be saying he needs to go next year or will there still be reasons offered why the Vikings should absorb his 13 mil cap hit next year?
Makes too much sense to move on and go with the YOUTS.
I think we will be hard-pressed for a trade partner to take on Reiff's salary of 13.2 and 14 next year. Dead money this year is 4.4 and next 2.2.
That is why the ideal situation was to swap for Tent Williams salary and give Reiff salary to DC. But I don't think the Redskins even wanted to deal with that.
So if cut he would save us about 9 million this year, correct? Next year if cut would save us even more around 12 million. What is the date for cuts to save $$$? Reason is do we have anytime to see how quickly Cleveland develops
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings need to cut or trade Reiff. The Chargers could be a team interested as all the have is Sam Tevi and Trey Pipkins opposite Byran Bulaga.
The Vikings need to save Reiff's cap space to use in better places. After the sign the rookies they will have about 8.75 mil in cap space.
Add in the 8.8 mil for getting rid of Reiff and they now are at about 17.5 mil in cap space.
What can they do with that? Carry it over to 2021 or use it to extend Cook two years.
I would essentially make the next 3 years be for 24 mil with incentives based on snaps played and awards.
They could wait on Cook too.
Next year, O'Neill should be extended with a 5 year 75 mil deal (or thereabouts).
They could give him a 15 mil roster bonus (which is all the cap space carried over) and a 5 mil signing bonus.
His salary for 2021 of $1,080,095 would stay the same.
His salaries from 2022 thru 2025 would be 11, 14, 15, & 15 mil.
His cap hits would be 17.4 in 2021, 12, 15, 16, & 16 mil.
The cap savings from getting rid of an average at his very best Reiff is important.
Ezra Cleveland needs to start from day one. If he struggles they can use Hill and Udoh.
I think next year is a rebuild of sorts and I do not think the inexperienced corners, interior OL, and defensive ends will prove good enough to truly contend for the title.
Keeping Reiff at his current salary is just dumb.
If they do keep him, how many will be saying he needs to go next year or will there still be reasons offered why the Vikings should absorb his 13 mil cap hit next year?
Makes too much sense to move on and go with the YOUTS.
I disagree with this a lot. Getting rid of Reiff is throwing in the towel on 2020. Going into 2020 with 3 question marks on the OLine would be nuts.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings need to cut or trade Reiff. The Chargers could be a team interested as all the have is Sam Tevi and Trey Pipkins opposite Byran Bulaga.
The Vikings need to save Reiff's cap space to use in better places. After the sign the rookies they will have about 8.75 mil in cap space.
Add in the 8.8 mil for getting rid of Reiff and they now are at about 17.5 mil in cap space.
What can they do with that? Carry it over to 2021 or use it to extend Cook two years.
I would essentially make the next 3 years be for 24 mil with incentives based on snaps played and awards.
They could wait on Cook too.
Next year, O'Neill should be extended with a 5 year 75 mil deal (or thereabouts).
They could give him a 15 mil roster bonus (which is all the cap space carried over) and a 5 mil signing bonus.
His salary for 2021 of $1,080,095 would stay the same.
His salaries from 2022 thru 2025 would be 11, 14, 15, & 15 mil.
His cap hits would be 17.4 in 2021, 12, 15, 16, & 16 mil.
The cap savings from getting rid of an average at his very best Reiff is important.
Ezra Cleveland needs to start from day one. If he struggles they can use Hill and Udoh.
I think next year is a rebuild of sorts and I do not think the inexperienced corners, interior OL, and defensive ends will prove good enough to truly contend for the title.
Keeping Reiff at his current salary is just dumb.
If they do keep him, how many will be saying he needs to go next year or will there still be reasons offered why the Vikings should absorb his 13 mil cap hit next year?
Makes too much sense to move on and go with the YOUTS.
I disagree with this a lot. Getting rid of Reiff is throwing in the towel on 2020. Going into 2020 with 3 question marks on the OLine would be nuts.
You really believe they have a chance next year? There will be at least 2 question marks on the line according to you. The corners will be very raw.
I would not bet any money on the Vikings even making the playoffs.
Keeping Reiff and not allowing Cleveland to get the experience he needs is a waste of time and 11 mil in cap space.
Let me ask you this. Are you a proponent of allowing Reiff to stick around in 2021 too?
If not, then why wait one season to cut him?
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ medaille said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The Vikings need to cut or trade Reiff. The Chargers could be a team interested as all the have is Sam Tevi and Trey Pipkins opposite Byran Bulaga.
The Vikings need to save Reiff's cap space to use in better places. After the sign the rookies they will have about 8.75 mil in cap space.
Add in the 8.8 mil for getting rid of Reiff and they now are at about 17.5 mil in cap space.
What can they do with that? Carry it over to 2021 or use it to extend Cook two years.
I would essentially make the next 3 years be for 24 mil with incentives based on snaps played and awards.
They could wait on Cook too.
Next year, O'Neill should be extended with a 5 year 75 mil deal (or thereabouts).
They could give him a 15 mil roster bonus (which is all the cap space carried over) and a 5 mil signing bonus.
His salary for 2021 of $1,080,095 would stay the same.
His salaries from 2022 thru 2025 would be 11, 14, 15, & 15 mil.
His cap hits would be 17.4 in 2021, 12, 15, 16, & 16 mil.
The cap savings from getting rid of an average at his very best Reiff is important.
Ezra Cleveland needs to start from day one. If he struggles they can use Hill and Udoh.
I think next year is a rebuild of sorts and I do not think the inexperienced corners, interior OL, and defensive ends will prove good enough to truly contend for the title.
Keeping Reiff at his current salary is just dumb.
If they do keep him, how many will be saying he needs to go next year or will there still be reasons offered why the Vikings should absorb his 13 mil cap hit next year?
Makes too much sense to move on and go with the YOUTS.
I disagree with this a lot. Getting rid of Reiff is throwing in the towel on 2020. Going into 2020 with 3 question marks on the OLine would be nuts.
You really believe they have a chance next year? There will be at least 2 question marks on the line according to you. The corners will be very raw.
I would not bet any money on the Vikings even making the playoffs.
Keeping Reiff and not allowing Cleveland to get the experience he needs is a waste of time and 11 mil in cap space.
Let me ask you this. Are you a proponent of allowing Reiff to stick around in 2021 too?
If not, then why wait one season to cut him?
If this year was a throw away they needed to part ways with cousins then too. Reiff is the 2nd best OL we have currently and his contract isnt out of line for his performance, it's insane to get rid of him until you have at least seen if Cleveland can play at this level.
Either go all in on a rebuild or dont do it, half assing shit leads to years and years of mediocrity.
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