I apologize for the general negative tone to this post.
Being stuck up inside with the kids going crazy is really starting to get me to pull all my hair out. And I'm bald.
Stay safe everyone.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
They are not close to being done this off-season. The Vikings have done very good the past few years getting day one starters through the 3rd round. If they can trade down from either #22 or #25 they'll likely add an additional 3rd giving them 6 picks in the top 3 rounds. There are obviously some misses here or there, but the Vikings are one of the better drafting teams in the league.
They will still likely add another player in the secondary but the truth is they're going to carry 10 DBs into the season in some capacity. Right now they're sitting with:
CB: Hughes / Hill /Boyd / Sayles / Meadors / Fields / Hall
S: Smith / Harris
The guys in bold are likely chalked into the 53. Meadors will compete for a spot but nothing is assured. If they sign one quality FA they likely have 7 spots locked up and they only need depth at Safety. So you're looking to spend 1 or maybe 2 high draft picks on the secondary. That still leaves you 4 others picks in round 1-3 to grab a WR, D-Lineman, and O-lineman (or two).
OK. Which veteran safety?
Relying on Hughes, Hill, and Boyd is risky too.
They could not even get Roberts to come here when it was reported they expressed interest
But based on your comment, do you expect they will draft a safety early?
I am starting to think that veterans DO NOT want to come play for Zimmer.
This cornerback depth chart should not worry any veteran and those looking for a one year prove it deal couldn't find an easier group to grab a starting spot.
Yet, they are not really looking too hard.
I wish I was a better makeup artist so that I could put the lipstick on better. I think it would be a complete waste to spend more money or even a high draft pick at safety when you have Smith / Harris. Both have proven to be durable and you can cover up late round draft picks in the scheme. Even if you spent on 5th/6th on JR Reed you'd have a good safety next.
The issue that is starting to transpire is that you need to choose your strengths. The Vikings want to stuff the run and get after the QB, it has always been their bread & butter. Truth is, if they can hold teams to 3rd and 5 vs. 3rd and 2 you can have less talent in the secondary.
You're putting a lot of tea leaves together when it comes to player not wanting to play for Zimmer. He isn't for everyone, but he is highly respected. Teams cannot compete for a Super Bowl window every season. But that doesn't mean you need to take a large step back either. Look at Green Bay who is also dealing with a veteran QB. If the Vikings can get by in 2020 they'll be able to spend to fill their remaining holes in 2021.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
They are not close to being done this off-season. The Vikings have done very good the past few years getting day one starters through the 3rd round. If they can trade down from either #22 or #25 they'll likely add an additional 3rd giving them 6 picks in the top 3 rounds. There are obviously some misses here or there, but the Vikings are one of the better drafting teams in the league.
They will still likely add another player in the secondary but the truth is they're going to carry 10 DBs into the season in some capacity. Right now they're sitting with:
CB: Hughes / Hill /Boyd / Sayles / Meadors / Fields / Hall
S: Smith / Harris
The guys in bold are likely chalked into the 53. Meadors will compete for a spot but nothing is assured. If they sign one quality FA they likely have 7 spots locked up and they only need depth at Safety. So you're looking to spend 1 or maybe 2 high draft picks on the secondary. That still leaves you 4 others picks in round 1-3 to grab a WR, D-Lineman, and O-lineman (or two).
OK. Which veteran safety?
Relying on Hughes, Hill, and Boyd is risky too.
They could not even get Roberts to come here when it was reported they expressed interest
But based on your comment, do you expect they will draft a safety early?
I am starting to think that veterans DO NOT want to come play for Zimmer.
This cornerback depth chart should not worry any veteran and those looking for a one year prove it deal couldn't find an easier group to grab a starting spot.
Yet, they are not really looking too hard.
I wish I was a better makeup artist so that I could put the lipstick on better. I think it would be a complete waste to spend more money or even a high draft pick at safety when you have Smith / Harris. Both have proven to be durable and you can cover up late round draft picks in the scheme. Even if you spent on 5th/6th on JR Reed you'd have a good safety next.
The issue that is starting to transpire is that you need to choose your strengths. The Vikings want to stuff the run and get after the QB, it has always been their bread & butter. Truth is, if they can hold teams to 3rd and 5 vs. 3rd and 2 you can have less talent in the secondary.
You're putting a lot of tea leaves together when it comes to player not wanting to play for Zimmer. He isn't for everyone, but he is highly respected. Teams cannot compete for a Super Bowl window every season. But that doesn't mean you need to take a large step back either. Look at Green Bay who is also dealing with a veteran QB. If the Vikings can get by in 2020 they'll be able to spend to fill their remaining holes in 2021.
I may be off on the tea reading but something is up.
Do you think the Vikings have enough to stop the run now? Is Stephen the answer at the 3T? Will Jaleel and Jalyn finally do something/
Is Odenigbo and Zettel enough to replace Griffen and Weatherly?
I'd love to see them splurge for Clowney but that would immediately force them to give Hunter a raise (at least by 2021).
Cripes just because they are not advertising their intentions doesn't mean they are not planning. Right now Free Agency is at a lull. There are dealing trying to be hammered out that would determine which way the teams goes. Some will not happen until Draft day. The team is playing everything close to the vest and just because you did not like how something went down does not mean it happened haphazardly. Diggs forced his hand and the Vikings got a potentially pretty good return. Waynes got over paid and Rhodes took a prove it deal.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
They are not close to being done this off-season. The Vikings have done very good the past few years getting day one starters through the 3rd round. If they can trade down from either #22 or #25 they'll likely add an additional 3rd giving them 6 picks in the top 3 rounds. There are obviously some misses here or there, but the Vikings are one of the better drafting teams in the league.
They will still likely add another player in the secondary but the truth is they're going to carry 10 DBs into the season in some capacity. Right now they're sitting with:
CB: Hughes / Hill /Boyd / Sayles / Meadors / Fields / Hall
S: Smith / Harris
The guys in bold are likely chalked into the 53. Meadors will compete for a spot but nothing is assured. If they sign one quality FA they likely have 7 spots locked up and they only need depth at Safety. So you're looking to spend 1 or maybe 2 high draft picks on the secondary. That still leaves you 4 others picks in round 1-3 to grab a WR, D-Lineman, and O-lineman (or two).
OK. Which veteran safety?
Relying on Hughes, Hill, and Boyd is risky too.
They could not even get Roberts to come here when it was reported they expressed interest
But based on your comment, do you expect they will draft a safety early?
I am starting to think that veterans DO NOT want to come play for Zimmer.
This cornerback depth chart should not worry any veteran and those looking for a one year prove it deal couldn't find an easier group to grab a starting spot.
Yet, they are not really looking too hard.
I wish I was a better makeup artist so that I could put the lipstick on better. I think it would be a complete waste to spend more money or even a high draft pick at safety when you have Smith / Harris. Both have proven to be durable and you can cover up late round draft picks in the scheme. Even if you spent on 5th/6th on JR Reed you'd have a good safety next.
The issue that is starting to transpire is that you need to choose your strengths. The Vikings want to stuff the run and get after the QB, it has always been their bread & butter. Truth is, if they can hold teams to 3rd and 5 vs. 3rd and 2 you can have less talent in the secondary.
You're putting a lot of tea leaves together when it comes to player not wanting to play for Zimmer. He isn't for everyone, but he is highly respected. Teams cannot compete for a Super Bowl window every season. But that doesn't mean you need to take a large step back either. Look at Green Bay who is also dealing with a veteran QB. If the Vikings can get by in 2020 they'll be able to spend to fill their remaining holes in 2021.
I may be off on the tea reading but something is up.
Do you think the Vikings have enough to stop the run now? Is Stephen the answer at the 3T? Will Jaleel and Jalyn finally do something/
Is Odenigbo and Zettel enough to replace Griffen and Weatherly?
I'd love to see them splurge for Clowney but that would immediately force them to give Hunter a raise (at least by 2021).
It'll be interesting to see what they do with Holmes. I think he is a big x-factor in all of this. Not only because we haven't seen much of him or his development, but because they could end up sliding him back outside to end. The Vikings D-line has always been a bit about the sum of its parts although they've had plenty of talent. But Ifeadi is still developing and should get a chance to start. You give up something in comparison to Everson, but you're also saving $10+M against the cap.
Inside I think that Shamar gets a bad rap since he's not the sexy pass rushing 3T like Sheldon Richardson was. But he does allow them a little more flexibility in what they do next to him. I think the Pierce signing is sneaky since he is better at resetting the LOS than Linval was the past two years. If Shamar can keep the LBs clean (his biggest strength imo) Kendricks, Wilson, and Barr should be able to clean up in the backfield. In pass rushing situations you can go light and take both Pierce/Shamar off the field but could also throw Watts in next to Shamar to get a little more juice. I think Watts is going to surprise quite a few people.
What I play with in my mind is how much would the Vikings value an every down pass rushing 3T? Someone Blacklock fits so well but I don't know if the value makes sense if they aren't committed to giving him the majority of the snaps inside. Internally my hunch is that they're happy with their interior D-line. Whether that is the correct analysis or not is debatable.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I think the Vikings are waiting on their draft to make a decision about Harris. If they find the safety they want in the first few rounds, they'll probably turn right around and trade Harris. I think if the Trent Williams interest is true, that will also impact what we do there. If they trade for Williams, it will take OT off the draft needs list that could be replaced by safety. They likely can't afford both Williams and Harris.
Makes sense. But they still need 2 more safeties whether they trade Harris or not. They are doing nothing.
Corner has to be a huge concern too.
Yes, they do need two safeties, three if they trade Harris. But you'll notice that there aren't very many teams signing veterans right now. Every year it gets real quiet on the free agency front in April because teams want to see what the draft brings them before spending money on free agents.
I guess I don't see the panic. The way I see it, we need a starting corner, and, depending on what they do with Harris, either a starting safety, or two safeties as depth. You can find safety depth in the middle to late rounds or among veterans after the draft. We'll very likely spend one of our 5 picks in rounds 1-3 on a corner.
It may not be awesome sauce, but it is what it is. Our defense will likely get much younger next year and will probably take a step back.
Quote: @mjollnir_k said:
Cripes just because they are not advertising their intentions doesn't mean they are not planning. Right now Free Agency is at a lull. There are dealing trying to be hammered out that would determine which way the teams goes. Some will not happen until Draft day. The team is playing everything close to the vest and just because you did not like how something went down does not mean it happened haphazardly. Diggs forced his hand and the Vikings got a potentially pretty good return. Waynes got over paid and Rhodes took a prove it deal.
OK. I am just seeing the free agents that may help the secondary getting signed elsewhere.
There are only two safeties on the roster right now and two rookies drafted late does not really inspire much confidence.
They always play close to the vest but the options are dwindling.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ mjollnir_k said:
Cripes just because they are not advertising their intentions doesn't mean they are not planning. Right now Free Agency is at a lull. There are dealing trying to be hammered out that would determine which way the teams goes. Some will not happen until Draft day. The team is playing everything close to the vest and just because you did not like how something went down does not mean it happened haphazardly. Diggs forced his hand and the Vikings got a potentially pretty good return. Waynes got over paid and Rhodes took a prove it deal.
OK. I am just seeing the free agents that may help the secondary getting signed elsewhere.
There are only two safeties on the roster right now and two rookies drafted late does not really inspire much confidence.
They always play close to the vest but the options are dwindling.
I'll never understand this "we need a 1st rounder at every position" mentality. My goodness....what do you want? Two rookie safeties drafted late actually offers a pretty solid outlook, considering the fact that we might have the best starting tandem in the league. I would argue that it's actually overkill. Personally, I would not pay Harris. I'd replace him with a rookie from the first three rounds. Then draft depth later on and add a veteran after the draft...or June 1st...or from 1st cuts.
Well considering Harris, Sendejo were undrafted, Epps, Blanton, Kearse were late rounders. If we keep Harris I think they will find somebody. We have 12 picks and a history of keeping them the first year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ mjollnir_k said:
Cripes just because they are not advertising their intentions doesn't mean they are not planning. Right now Free Agency is at a lull. There are dealing trying to be hammered out that would determine which way the teams goes. Some will not happen until Draft day. The team is playing everything close to the vest and just because you did not like how something went down does not mean it happened haphazardly. Diggs forced his hand and the Vikings got a potentially pretty good return. Waynes got over paid and Rhodes took a prove it deal.
OK. I am just seeing the free agents that may help the secondary getting signed elsewhere.
There are only two safeties on the roster right now and two rookies drafted late does not really inspire much confidence.
They always play close to the vest but the options are dwindling.
I'll never understand this "we need a 1st rounder at every position" mentality. My goodness....what do you want? Two rookie safeties drafted late actually offers a pretty solid outlook, considering the fact that we might have the best starting tandem in the league. I would argue that it's actually overkill. Personally, I would not pay Harris. I'd replace him with a rookie from the first three rounds. Then draft depth later on and add a veteran after the draft...or June 1st...or from 1st cuts.
This. Although the ATL Falcons offense would like a word 
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