Quote: @FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB. One of then Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he wo8be happy with his targets and follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
I'm just going to cut to the point... you and MaroonBells are looking at this through the lens of all he did was send out some cryptic tweets. You are having a complete shit fit about the Vikings having the audacity to trade a top 15-ish WR who you claim suffers from Millenialitis... do you really think it was just the tweets? I know you're smarter than that, FSU. Same for you, Maroon.
You don't have to be happy about the trade (I'm certainly not), but let's not criticize Spielman or Zimmer for getting the best deal for a WR that clearly didn't want to be here. None of us know what went on behind closed doors. I'll tell you this though... teams don't trade top 15-ish WRs with Millenialitis unless there was a very fractured relationship.
I think his last tweet before the trade "It's time for a new beginning" shortly after the Cousins extension was announced was the proverbial nail in the coffin. I don't think the timing or choice of words was a coincidence. I don't know this for a fact, but it sure looks like Diggs issues mainly rest with Cousins. After yesterday, it is pretty clear who the organization chose to move forward with... but believe what you want to believe. The team's actions speak louder than any words... or cryptic tweets for that matter. ;-)
Quote: @Wetlander said:
I'm just going to cut to the point... you and MaroonBells are looking at this through the lens of all he did was send out some cryptic tweets. You are having a complete shit fit about the Vikings having the audacity to trade a top 15-ish WR who you claim suffers from Millenialitis... do you really think it was just the tweets? I know you're smarter than that, FSU. Same for you, Maroon.
You don't have to be happy about the trade (I'm certainly not), but let's not criticize Spielman or Zimmer for getting the best deal for a WR that clearly didn't want to be here. None of us know what went on behind closed doors. I'll tell you this though... teams don't trade top 15-ish WRs with Millenialitis unless there was a very fractured relationship.
I think his last tweet before the trade "It's time for a new beginning" shortly after the Cousins extension was announced was the proverbial nail in the coffin. I don't think the timing or choice of words was a coincidence. I don't know this for a fact, but it sure looks like Diggs issues mainly rest with Cousins. After yesterday, it is pretty clear who the organization chose to move forward with... but believe what you want to believe. The team's actions speak louder than any words... or cryptic tweets for that matter. ;-)
Simply put, if he wanted to be a Viking he would still be a Viking.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB. One of then Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he wo8be happy with his targets and follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
I'm just going to cut to the point... you and MaroonBells are looking at this through the lens of all he did was send out some cryptic tweets. You are having a complete shit fit about the Vikings having the audacity to trade a top 15-ish WR who you claim suffers from Millenialitis... do you really think it was just the tweets? I know you're smarter than that, FSU. Same for you, Maroon.
You don't have to be happy about the trade (I'm certainly not), but let's not criticize Spielman or Zimmer for getting the best deal for a WR that clearly didn't want to be here. None of us know what went on behind closed doors. I'll tell you this though... teams don't trade top 15-ish WRs with Millenialitis unless there was a very fractured relationship.
I think his last tweet before the trade "It's time for a new beginning" shortly after the Cousins extension was announced was the proverbial nail in the coffin. I don't think the timing or choice of words was a coincidence. I don't know this for a fact, but it sure looks like Diggs issues mainly rest with Cousins. After yesterday, it is pretty clear who the organization chose to move forward with... but believe what you want to believe. The team's actions speak louder than any words... or cryptic tweets for that matter. ;-)
That tweet didn't spur the trade. It was a result of it. You couldn't possibly believe that Diggs didn't already know it was happening before he tweeted that.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB when it comes to dealing with highly productive divas. One of the Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next out the door? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he would be happy with his targets and not follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn and learn how to manage around the behavior. Ignore him and fine him. Sooner than later it will work. Kids need cash and so do their hanger-ons.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precocious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
the behavior that you know of.... we arent there we dont know what was said or done behind the scenes. it was in the teams best interest to not let that shit out and it was in diggs best interest to keep a poker face to how badly he wanted to leave. we may never know, but I doubt the team parted ways with one of the best contractual returns that they have ever had without much consideration of all the facts, not just what the public was made aware of.
Quote: @prairieghost said:
I know we’ve all had our times of frustration and disgust with our team at any given moment, but there’s nobody on this board, or anywhere for that matter, that can convince me that Diggs kept his complaints confined to Tweeterville and the Vikings traded him because of the Tweeterville talk.....and he was mad before he had Kirk to blame it on.
This absolutely must have been driven by a deeper disconnect between Diggs and some element of the team (maybe Zimmer himself) that was deemed irreparable.
Ironic - he seemed to be a nice level-headed guy his first few years...and then he caught the "Minneapolis Miracle" and it was on TV nonstop for a week and he got a Geico commercial...and got full of himself.
One thing I do like about the Vikings decisions thus far is they have rewarded players with traits of high character and leadership. Not always easy to do.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ FSUVike said:
Diggs was at or near the top of the League in contested catches again this year. The notion that Kirk wouldn't throw it to him unless he was wide open was flat out overstated by Guru.
I find it interesting that SilverJoel posted a side-by-side comparison of the two star Wideouts production when playing without the other that not 1 single proponent of the deal has commented on....
This Franchise is screwed if they can't learn to handle big egos and childish behavior. You think the younger generations coming up are less entitled? Less apt to air their dirty laundry on Social Media? Less likely to have a Me-First Mentality?
I am a Recruiter. For the largest online retailer in the world. I'm Gen X and find myself shaking my head on a daily basis at the outlandish expectations these kids have coming out of school. Degreed Engineers looking for C Suite money with terrible written communication skills and not much better social skills.
You know what? I don't have to like them to recruit them. And my Hiring Mangers find ways get them to be productive quickly, despite the drama.
Now imagine that same age group getting millions of dollars to play Sports. With their huge group of groupthink hangers-on. And their penchant to play video games and blab on Social Media instead of going outside and engaging with humans in person.
The Minnesota Vikings have now failed 3 times at WR and once at RB when it comes to dealing with highly productive divas. One of the Receivers is in the HOF. The RB will be one day, too.
And who's to say Adam isn't next out the door? He factually performed less well than Diggs on his own. His methodology may differ but why assume he would be happy with his targets and not follow Diggs' path?
Oh, he'd never do that, you'll say. Why? Cuz he's white? He's already called his QB out publicly. And by doing so called out Zimmer's run-first preference in the process.
I don't know if it's an Upper Midwest thing, a Wilf thing, a Rick thing or a Zimmer thing. At some point the franchise needs to stop acting like a grumpy old man yelling at the kids on his lawn and learn how to manage around the behavior. Ignore him and fine him. Sooner than later it will work. Kids need cash and so do their hanger-ons.
Most of you want to win a Super Bowl before you die. Me, too. I don't see that happening if they can't learn to deal with precocious talents. This was hardly Owens or Brown level acting out. But if Diggs' behavior is the bar you're going to see more kids wanting out only to be replaced by much less talented players who happen to keep their mouths shut.
the behavior that you know of.... we arent there we dont know what was said or done behind the scenes. it was in the teams best interest to not let that shit out and it was in diggs best interest to keep a poker face to how badly he wanted to leave. we may never know, but I doubt the team parted ways with one of the best contractual returns that they have ever had without much consideration of all the facts, not just what the public was made aware of.
I agree. There's a lot we don't know. I'm guessing after the 49er game (or a half dozen others) where countless times he was seen breaking free, completely open, only to watch Cousins either check down under pressure, or get sacked under pressure. Diggs might have said a few things about that. I don't know whether he blamed the protection or the Cousins himself, but I can pretty much guarantee you he was hot about it.
But you know what? So was I. And I wouldn't want a choir boy receiver on my team who isn't competitive and doesn't get a little pissed off every now and then. You watch those replays and he's giving 110% on every one of those routes. The footwork is jaw-dropping. Only to stand there and watch the play breakdown. That has to be frustrating. Everyone talks about Thielen as if he's some kind of saint, but there have been many times when he was pissed off too.
If I'm in charge of the team, I talk to Diggs about that. Tell him you're going to fix the offensive line. Fine him, bench him, whatever, but don't trade the best player on the team and hope to somehow "get over the hump."
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Looking for the over/under
Which week will the Bills fine Diggs for missing meetings and practices when he gets frustrated by Josh Allen and his 8% deep ball completion %?
I'm thinking week 3
I keep thinking about him playing outside in Buffalo where half their home games are played in zero visibility on a shitty track. tissue injuries go up in cold weather was my first thought.
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