Cousins is #2 and #5

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https://twitter.com/Purple_Post/status/1...36640?s=19

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Time for Kirk to step up, the other 3 won playoff games those years. 2 of them
made it to the Championship game.

Other wise this stat does nothing but help Kirk steal money on his next
contract signing.

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Now grade the offensive line for each of those teams. 

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@MaroonBells said:
Now grade the offensive line for each of those teams. 

Pass protection rank from football outsiders
DC 2004 22nd result won 1st rd game
KC 2019 6th (IMHO) humiliated rd 1
BF 2009 14th 1 win away from SB
RC 1998 3rd 1 win away from SB
KC 2018 9th 8 wins couldn't beat Bears wk 17 to even make the playoffs

KC had the 2nd and 3rd best pass protection rankings.
With no playoff wins.

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If KC has had top 10 pass protection the last 2 years, why does every talking head and draft expert say the Viking line is below average and needs help via free agency or the draft?

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2009_Loadholt, McKinney, Hutchison, Herrera and a rookie John Sullivan at center were "worse" than this year's crew?  (/eyeroll)

I think these rankings are skewed to the overall quality of the league.  14th in 2009 is All-Pro over "6th in 2019", IMHO. 

O line play overall must be in the dumpster.

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@Mattyman said:
If KC has had top 10 pass protection the last 2 years, why does every talking head and draft expert say the Viking line is below average and needs help via free agency or the draft?

Because it's total bullshit. If PFF posted that Hunter was a bottom 10 DE in pass rushing pressure would you believe it despite the evidence your eyes give you?

And let's not forget all the boots and waggles that give him forever to throw.

We all saw the GB game. Instant pressure up the gut and off the edge. Kansas City got instant pressure up the gut from Jones. 

Maybe he gets all day to throw against the shitty teams that Minnesota is so good at beating. I don't give two craps about that. The good teams in the League tend to have either good interior push or great edge rushing and some have both. It's those teams I care about and those are the foes that have stopped the run and applied quick pressure. 

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@FSUVike said:

@Mattyman said:
If KC has had top 10 pass protection the last 2 years, why does every talking head and draft expert say the Viking line is below average and needs help via free agency or the draft?

Because it's total bullshit. If PFF posted that Hunter was a bottom 10 DE in pass rushing pressure would you believe it despite the evidence your eyes give you?

And let's not forget all the boots and waggles that give him forever to throw.

We all saw the GB game. Instant pressure up the gut and off the edge. Kansas City got instant pressure up the gut from Jones. 

Maybe he gets all day to throw against the shitty teams that Minnesota is so good at beating. I don't give two craps about that. The good teams in the League tend to have either good interior push or great edge rushing and some have both. It's those teams I care about and those are the foes that have stopped the run and applied quick pressure. 

Who you play does have an effect on ranking

MN only Faced 4 different teams that had 9 or more wins to end the season.
So yes he had all day to throw against shitty teams.

The line feasted against bad teams. 
Sucked against playoff team they faced.
I feel pretty confident if they played Chargers every week the D would have been ranked 1st in 
every category. (rankings are effected by who you play)

The Hunter reference is a joke. PFF doesn't say Hunter is bottom ten.
Why not say if. PFF said Kirk was at his best on Monday nights, or against good teams. Would you believe it despite the evidence your eyes give you?

"Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It."

Mike gets a pass again because they made the playoffs??
Mike has not pounded the table hard enough to get the line fixed!!
As long as he can get into the playoffs every other year playing a soft schedule
he gets a pass, when do they realize you play teams with winning records in the playoffs
so we better fix our line issues.


Kirk is now what?
6-29 against teams that finish above .500
You better believe who you play effects your ranking!!!!!

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@Mattyman said:
If KC has had top 10 pass protection the last 2 years, why does every talking head and draft expert say the Viking line is below average and needs help via free agency or the draft?

Because stats lie. There are a hundred different factors that go into pressure rankings, the biggest of which is the QB himself and how mobile he is and how quickly he gets rid of the ball. 

No reasonable person would take this line over the lines with McKinney, Hutch, Sullivan, Loadholt...or Steussie, McDaniel, Christy, Stringer...or McKinney, Birk, Dixon...etc...

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Curious how PFF ranks the o-line.  Do they take all the individual grades and add them together for the average?  And do the people ranking the RT also rank the RG?  So if the RT lets a man go (ie gets beat to the inside) and that rusher also contacts the RG, do they assign the sack to the tackle, or the guard?  Or neither because he beat both? 

I am talking about O'Neill, I think it was the Washington game.  He got beat inside but PFF still claimed he hadn't give up a sack.  There was speculation that PFF had assigned the LB who didn't rush was O'Neill's guy. 

So yeah, PFF gives us stats and stats are easy to manipulate, twist or interpret however you want the story to turn out.