Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Zanary said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Classes? Oh my God, please tell me you don't teach this nonsense.
Please do respond with statistics. Find some hilbilly town in WV that has a higher drug rate or something.
If you want to run an experiment on how great Blue has done just look up municipal bond rates. Higher interest rate = more risky = investors think their chance of getting paid back are lower.
I can save you the time if you want. Zanary already made you a list.
You can't be this stupid. This reminds me of those maps that went around during election season that showed a "shocking" visual connection between where Democrats voted and the crime rate. It was quite a revelation....to folks who can't identify where CITIES are on a map.
Sure it's probably true that most of the major cities have crime problems. It's also true that most major cities have Democrats for mayors. Of course they do. But this is obviously more about population density than it is about politics. People in populous areas vote Democratic. Even in deep red states. Look it up, Dallas county, Harris county (where Houston is) just to name two, voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Clinton by wide margins.
Now, if you actually do a FAIR analysis and compare the crime rates of large cities run by both Dems and Republicans (there are a few), you'll find there is no significant difference between the two.
No, it's about shitty "leadership" from a horrible party.
Chicago, Baltimore, and many other cities in the dnc crime club have had generations of the same party butt-surfing those same populations...so, why should anyone expect either solutions or real leadership when there are so many active examples that show the result to be crimes/rapes/assaults/murders?
GENERATIONS...and things got worse.
The dnc is, and by, and for, filth.
Wow...you sound like a nut. Are you OK? Should we be concerned?
I gave articles with examples and stats, and was able to relate to them with relevant conclusions...
...and you throw out a petty insult, with fake "concern".
I take it that you have nothing in the way of a coherent counter-point to the crime levels proven to be rampant in cities with longstanding dnc "leadership"?
Hmmm.
That nut you speak of seems likely to be in your mirror.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Zanary said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Classes? Oh my God, please tell me you don't teach this nonsense.
Please do respond with statistics. Find some hilbilly town in WV that has a higher drug rate or something.
If you want to run an experiment on how great Blue has done just look up municipal bond rates. Higher interest rate = more risky = investors think their chance of getting paid back are lower.
I can save you the time if you want. Zanary already made you a list.
You can't be this stupid. This reminds me of those maps that went around during election season that showed a "shocking" visual connection between where Democrats voted and the crime rate. It was quite a revelation....to folks who can't identify where CITIES are on a map.
Sure it's probably true that most of the major cities have crime problems. It's also true that most major cities have Democrats for mayors. Of course they do. But this is obviously more about population density than it is about politics. People in populous areas vote Democratic. Even in deep red states. Look it up, Dallas county, Harris county (where Houston is) just to name two, voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama, Clinton by wide margins.
Now, if you actually do a FAIR analysis and compare the crime rates of large cities run by both Dems and Republicans (there are a few), you'll find there is no significant difference between the two.
No, it's about shitty "leadership" from a horrible party.
Chicago, Baltimore, and many other cities in the dnc crime club have had generations of the same party butt-surfing those same populations...so, why should anyone expect either solutions or real leadership when there are so many active examples that show the result to be crimes/rapes/assaults/murders?
GENERATIONS...and things got worse.
The dnc is, and by, and for, filth.
Wow...you sound like a nut. Are you OK? Should we be concerned?
I gave articles with examples and stats, and was able to relate to them with relevant conclusions...
...and you throw out a petty insult, with fake "concern".
I take it that you have nothing in the way of a coherent counter-point to the crime levels proven to be rampant in cities with longstanding dnc "leadership"?
Hmmm.
That nut you speak of seems likely to be in your mirror.
It is so odd.
And of course you are right.
That is why Blexit is going to hurt.
These dems owe the blacks reparations for what they have done.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
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Sooooo....if I'm following you here...you readily admit to what I stated about your behavior, yet I need to provide examples?
Tell me that I'm misinterpreting what you said.
To me, that's not funny, or fascinating...but disturbing.
So... what you're saying is: you took the time and effort to make a post... to accuse me of not being perfect? Well, shoot. I could've saved you the 30 seconds and told you that! I thought there was a particular post / comment that you had taken issue with. But you just wanted to make sure that I was aware of the fact that I wasn't perfect? Wow. How thoughtful!
By the way: Christians aren't perfect... and they would never claim to be. So... I guess I WAS acting like a Christian: an imperfect, sinful person... who, thankfully, is still forgiven. God's grace really is amazing! In fact, they've written songs about it... little ditties like, "Amazing Grace"... "Jesus Loves Me"... and so on. He is the reason that an imperfect person like me can still be joyful... and hopeful: because I know that this world is just a temporary journey... on my way Home. I sure hope that I'll see you there someday!
Have a great day!
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
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I love debating with folks I disagree with. Especially if they make valid points. But when it gets silly and stupid I typically bail because it drives me crazy and I don't have time for it.
Case in point: infanticide. Stupid. It's already illegal. There isn't anyone who would argue that it shouldn't be. But I'll debate late-term abortion with you. That's why I did that. I wanted to reach down, pull you out of the crazy pit and give you an opportunity to make your case on something that IS a legit debate. And you're all "answer my question, answer my question."
What questions are you talking about? Kermit Gosnell? Yes, he was a demented serial killer. And I'm pretty certain he's in jail. So what is there to answer? What shall we debate next, Jeffery Dahmer? Aborting gay babies? C'mon.
I had one question for you that you didn't answer: if a woman went in for an abortion... and the child survived the procedure... and then, after having seen her son, the mother changed her mind and wanted the child to live: should her wish be honored? Should the clinic provide any medical care (or get medical care) for the boy... or should they allow the injured child to die?
I'm thrilled to be able to discuss this topic with you. After you answer the question, I'll be happy to present the case for "life". I look forward to our exchanges.
PS: Gosnell was sentenced for killing newborns; yet if he had done the exact same thing to those children while any part of their body was still in the womb (as a form of third trimester abortion) there are many who would say that it was legal / moral. It was really just a matter of seconds... and inches. Seems like a strange way of determining the value of life... but I'll save that for later. Thanks for your willingness to discuss this! We may not be able to change each other's minds... but maybe some other folks will benefit from our civil discourse.
Have a blessed evening!
Again, to my point, your behavior reflects your political values far more often than your Christian ones. You have confirmed that already. Not sure what point you're trying to make other than re-confirming what we agree on.
Do you think your behavior in the board inspires people to seek Christ? To me, you're no different than anyone else. You probably have turned more people off to Christ in this setting than brought to Christ.
Oh, and for your super sensitive lil buddy, if a Muslim, Taoist, Hindi, or a reformed druid was as hypocritical in his or her interactions on this board, I'd call them out too.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
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I love debating with folks I disagree with. Especially if they make valid points. But when it gets silly and stupid I typically bail because it drives me crazy and I don't have time for it.
Case in point: infanticide. Stupid. It's already illegal. There isn't anyone who would argue that it shouldn't be. But I'll debate late-term abortion with you. That's why I did that. I wanted to reach down, pull you out of the crazy pit and give you an opportunity to make your case on something that IS a legit debate. And you're all "answer my question, answer my question."
What questions are you talking about? Kermit Gosnell? Yes, he was a demented serial killer. And I'm pretty certain he's in jail. So what is there to answer? What shall we debate next, Jeffery Dahmer? Aborting gay babies? C'mon.
I had one question for you that you didn't answer: if a woman went in for an abortion... and the child survived the procedure... and then, after having seen her son, the mother changed her mind and wanted the child to live: should her wish be honored? Should the clinic provide any medical care (or get medical care) for the boy... or should they allow the injured child to die?
I'm thrilled to be able to discuss this topic with you. After you answer the question, I'll be happy to present the case for "life". I look forward to our exchanges.
PS: Gosnell was sentenced for killing newborns; yet if he had done the exact same thing to those children while any part of their body was still in the womb (as a form of third trimester abortion) there are many who would say that it was legal / moral. It was really just a matter of seconds... and inches. Seems like a strange way of determining the value of life... but I'll save that for later. Thanks for your willingness to discuss this! We may not be able to change each other's minds... but maybe some other folks will benefit from our civil discourse.
Have a blessed evening!
Oh Pumpf, with all due respect, you’re back in the crazy pit. This whole “born-alive execution” stuff is a Trump-winded myth meant to fire up the activists and go after the doctors who provide women’s health services.
What you don’t realize is that the more that you go after the doctors, and the more difficult you make it for women to get safe and legal abortions, the more Kermit Gosnells you’re going to get.
It was more than a myth.
Loon Governor Northam, a Democrat, was asked about the Virginia bill in a radio interview, and his response only added to the controversy. Appearing to discuss what would happen if a child was born after a failed attempt at abortion, he said, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Again, to my point, your behavior reflects your political values far more often than your Christian ones. You have confirmed that already. Not sure what point you're trying to make other than re-confirming what we agree on.
Do you think your behavior in the board inspires people to seek Christ? To me, you're no different than anyone else. You probably have turned more people off to Christ in this setting than brought to Christ.
Oh, and for your super sensitive lil buddy, if a Muslim, Taoist, Hindi, or a reformed druid was as hypocritical in his or her interactions on this board, I'd call them out too.
But Maroon is a Christian... and I've never seen you call him out. Maybe I missed it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
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I love debating with folks I disagree with. Especially if they make valid points. But when it gets silly and stupid I typically bail because it drives me crazy and I don't have time for it.
Case in point: infanticide. Stupid. It's already illegal. There isn't anyone who would argue that it shouldn't be. But I'll debate late-term abortion with you. That's why I did that. I wanted to reach down, pull you out of the crazy pit and give you an opportunity to make your case on something that IS a legit debate. And you're all "answer my question, answer my question."
What questions are you talking about? Kermit Gosnell? Yes, he was a demented serial killer. And I'm pretty certain he's in jail. So what is there to answer? What shall we debate next, Jeffery Dahmer? Aborting gay babies? C'mon.
I had one question for you that you didn't answer: if a woman went in for an abortion... and the child survived the procedure... and then, after having seen her son, the mother changed her mind and wanted the child to live: should her wish be honored? Should the clinic provide any medical care (or get medical care) for the boy... or should they allow the injured child to die?
I'm thrilled to be able to discuss this topic with you. After you answer the question, I'll be happy to present the case for "life". I look forward to our exchanges.
PS: Gosnell was sentenced for killing newborns; yet if he had done the exact same thing to those children while any part of their body was still in the womb (as a form of third trimester abortion) there are many who would say that it was legal / moral. It was really just a matter of seconds... and inches. Seems like a strange way of determining the value of life... but I'll save that for later. Thanks for your willingness to discuss this! We may not be able to change each other's minds... but maybe some other folks will benefit from our civil discourse.
Have a blessed evening!
Oh Pumpf, with all due respect, you’re back in the crazy pit. This whole “born-alive execution” stuff is a Trump-winded myth meant to fire up the activists and go after the doctors who provide women’s health services.
What you don’t realize is that the more that you go after the doctors, and the more difficult you make it for women to get safe and legal abortions, the more Kermit Gosnells you’re going to get.
So... you didn't answer the question.
As for the "myth"... there are documented cases (not to mention undercover videos where abortion providers acknowledge that it happens). I suppose there are "documented cases" of Bigfoot being spotted... so, question #2: what would it take for you to "believe" that children are being born alive... and then killed (or- same thing- being left to die)? This is what civil discourse looks like, so I hope that you will take the time to answer my questions. Thanks!
He's also not a hypocrite.
Case in point: He points out Kaepernick feeding the hungry. I believe a value in Christianity. What was your reply? Your reply was in line with your political values.
Also, I believe a liberal political values are in line with Christ's teaching. Conservatism not so much.
But please, continue meet make yourself the martyr. A1 has a bag full of nails. You don't need my help.
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