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FSUVike · 11-05-2019, 12:40 AM

Let's hear your thoughts.

11-05-2019, 01:06 AM

Punt before you lose more yardage?

11-05-2019, 01:09 AM

Defense: play 25 yards off the line
Offense: throw a pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage

11-05-2019, 01:32 AM

11-05-2019, 01:34 AM

Hmmm

11-05-2019, 03:30 PM

Talking about Zimmer rushing 3 and allowing a 17 yard pass to Kelce on the Chiefs final drive.

This, for me anyway, is the ultimate indictment of Mike Zimmer as a Coach. He has Five 1st Round Picks, Two 2nd Round picks and Two 3rd Round picks on his Defense. Needs a stop to stay in the game. Gets a sack from Weatherly on 1st Down...

And promptly goes into a shell. No trust in his Pass Rush, which was finally heating up that Quarter. No trust in any of his blitz packages. But somehow he trusts that Secondary, which couldn't cover Kelce or Hill all dammed day, to magically lock those guys down and what, force Moore to check it down?

And he didn't even double Kelce. Nor did he double Hill on a very easy 3rd & 4 conversion. Teams double Thielen and Diggs all the damn time but he won't do the same to a team with only two major weapons. Against a backup QB who was obviously going to be looking for them as his security blanket.

This dude's ceiling was getting thrashed in the NFCCG. He's horrible with clock management and challenges, rarely seems to have a specific gameplan for opposing Offenses and appears to be getting more and more conservative as a play caller. His vaunted Defense with all that's been invested in it is inarguably regressing.

Prevent Defense on 2nd and long with the game on the line against a fucking journeyman backup QB. Just gutless Coaching. Hard to root for that.

11-05-2019, 03:47 PM

Quote: @FSUVike said:
Talking about Zimmer rushing 3 and allowing a 17 yard pass to Kelce on the Chiefs final drive.

This, for me anyway, is the ultimate indictment of Mike Zimmer as a Coach. He has Five 1st Round Picks, Two 2nd Round picks and Two 3rd Round picks on his Defense. Needs a stop to stay in the game. Gets a sack from Weatherly on 1st Down...

And promptly goes into a shell. No trust in his Pass Rush, which was finally heating up that Quarter. No trust in any of his blitz packages. But somehow he trusts that Secondary, which couldn't cover Kelce or Hill all dammed day, to magically lock those guys down and what, force Moore to check it down?

And he didn't even double Kelce. Nor did he double Hill on a very easy 3rd & 4 conversion. Teams double Thielen and Diggs all the damn time but he won't do the same to a team with only two major weapons. Against a backup QB who was obviously going to be looking for them as his security blanket.

This dude's ceiling was getting thrashed in the NFCCG. He's horrible with clock management and challenges, rarely seems to have a specific gameplan for opposing Offenses and appears to be getting more and more conservative as a play caller. His vaunted Defense with all that's been invested in it is inarguably regressing.

Prevent Defense on 2nd and long with the game on the line against a fucking journeyman backup QB. Just gutless Coaching. Hard to root for that.

Moore threw for 275 yards on 35 attempts (not a ton of yardage for that many throws). Chiefs were held to 30% on 3rd down conversions. Outside of 1 run, Vikings D held them to like 46 yards rushing. The D had 5 sacks. The defense has only allowed 158 points, only 5 teams have allowed less. But like Zimmer said, the D did allow some uncharacteristic big plays. That was the ballgame. The offense left points on the field despite scoring 23.

Again, I'll bring up one of your favorite sayings: look around the league. We as fans are too close to the trees. Vikings could have still easily won this game with some clutch plays from the offense. There are a TON of worse defenses out there, allowing a LOT more points. But I do think Zimmer isn't the best HC in the league, but not the worst either.

11-05-2019, 04:20 PM

The last 2 comments by @FSUVike and @StickyBun pretty much sum it up, don't they? I agree with everything BOTH of you just said.
Right now I side more with FSU since the Vikings just lost, but if they beat Dallas then I'll be leaning back towards the positive side.
One thing I would say is that even the worst teams in the NFL are good (duh). So saying, "oh, if we did this, or if the ball bounced that way then we could've won..." Yeah, sure. But when most games are decided by 7 points or less, that saying applies to almost every team. The best teams win close games against good teams.

The Vikings are not one of the the best teams. Is that enough to fire the coach at the end of the year? Probably not. But if it happens would fans be outraged? Probably not.

11-05-2019, 05:28 PM

I think we could do a whole hell of a lot worse then Zimmer and getting rid of the best coach since Denny to go out into the world unknown sure sounds like a recipe for disaster UNLESS you plan on blowing up Zimmers D. Pete Caroll and Belicheat are the only coaches I can think of that have had their teams blown up and still found ways to win.

11-05-2019, 05:38 PM

Quote: @FSUVike said:
Talking about Zimmer rushing 3 and allowing a 17 yard pass to Kelce on the Chiefs final drive.

This, for me anyway, is the ultimate indictment of Mike Zimmer as a Coach. He has Five 1st Round Picks, Two 2nd Round picks and Two 3rd Round picks on his Defense. Needs a stop to stay in the game. Gets a sack from Weatherly on 1st Down...

And promptly goes into a shell. No trust in his Pass Rush, which was finally heating up that Quarter. No trust in any of his blitz packages. But somehow he trusts that Secondary, which couldn't cover Kelce or Hill all dammed day, to magically lock those guys down and what, force Moore to check it down?

And he didn't even double Kelce. Nor did he double Hill on a very easy 3rd & 4 conversion. Teams double Thielen and Diggs all the damn time but he won't do the same to a team with only two major weapons. Against a backup QB who was obviously going to be looking for them as his security blanket.

This dude's ceiling was getting thrashed in the NFCCG. He's horrible with clock management and challenges, rarely seems to have a specific gameplan for opposing Offenses and appears to be getting more and more conservative as a play caller. His vaunted Defense with all that's been invested in it is inarguably regressing.

Prevent Defense on 2nd and long with the game on the line against a fucking journeyman backup QB. Just gutless Coaching. Hard to root for that.

Well, with all due respect, FSU, if fans called the game, we'd pass every down on offense and we'd blitz every down on defense.

As I've said before, Vikings have done incredible well in recent years--better probably--when we don't blitz and we drop everyone in coverage.

I don't have a problem with that call, especially on 2nd and 21, knowing the Chiefs are probably only trying to get about half of that. Crowd the zones, give him no one to throw to.

I'll give you that our secondary doesn't seem to be quite as good at this as they have been in recent years. But my God, Ant Harris came SO close to picking off a couple of those throws to Kelce.