Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ JoDakota said:
Ok Jimmy. You know more than all the coaches many years of experience. Kukiak has been in about 7 super bowls, Zimmer was in at least one....
Sloter is a RAW TALENT. He excelled in a very vanilla defense in preseason against 3rd and 4th stringers, most of whom are being waived today, yet you see Tom Brady. I see Joe Webb, Christian Ponder and more preseason.
I love this team, but we sure have some hard-headed 3rd QB loving people here. There is so much more to being a QB that what Sloter has shown. He can't read a defense (see Ponder), he has poor clock management, and hasn't shown the coaches he has the ability to learn it in practice.....I'm surprised we are cutting him, but since we are the second team to cut him, maybe he isn't the next Tom Brady and he really is the next Joe Webb?
I wouldn't be surprised if he is waived and not claimed by anyone.....
are you looking to win some points by making that statement repeatedly? I may not know Xs and Os like a professional coach, but a blind man can see that Zimmer doesnt necessarily make the best personnel decisions in how he has handled certain players... apparently a blind fan cannot.
@JimmyinSD -
Why bother? We are not allowed to question anything because we either are not coaches nor are we lucky to see the players practice everyday.
- All we asked (at least me) is why we could not give him a chance with the 2nd team.
- it was pretty clear for all that he was very comfortable and out played the fourth stringers.
Oh no we cant ask that cos the coaches are never wrong.
we just wasted a 5th round pick on a kicker. That makes two wasted 5th round picks in back to back years yet we dont have a kicker.
No one ever said Sloter was the saviour but cutting him without really giving him a decent shot even at practice is just pathetic.
The QB, WR (until Diggs and Thielen worked out), OL and now Kicking have been a problem for Speilman and Zimmer.
To be bullish and say they (coaches and Rick) know best is really not a justification when talking about these positions. They have missed more than they have succeeded. So, I for one think it is fair question the decision not to give Sloter a shot.
On another note, we are on OC number four in Zim's 5 year tenure. All hand picked by both Rick and Zim. Please allow me question their decisions especially on offense because I have very little faith in their judgement on this side of the ball.
1. First it was Norv then Norv with Pat S. Looking over his shoulder.
2. Then Pat S.
3. When Pat S. left we spent a whole offseason reviewing our offense. We even "spent alot time on the ranch" (that's a direct quote) trying to figure how the Eagles shut down our offense and identified just the right OC. Defillipo. Only to fire him after what? 13 games?
4. Now we found just the perfect OC we need - Stefanski. But wait! We added Kubiak to help (when asked why so many past head coaches, Zim said you can never have enough good coaches. The funny part is they are all on the offensive side of the ball). But Stefanski should not look over his shoulder. Does that look like a group that knows what they are doing to you?
Anyway, what do I know?
I usually don't get overly concerned when players get cut. I don't question it or dwell on it. My main focus is on the 53 players that make the active roster and how they perform as a team. I don't get wrapped up and try second guessing the coaching staff on who to keep or who to release. The regular season starts in a week, I'll concentrate on that and hope for a winning season. I won't give a second though where Sloter or anyone else ends up after their release.
This is hilarious honestly. Sloter is way overrated on this board. If you think he's going to light it up with another team, don't hold your breath.
Honestly, I don't know if he is gonna light it up on any team but feel he's got way more upside than mannion and if KC goes down mannion can only improve your potential drafting position.
They are impatient, angry and want the staff and coaches to not cut him then suck. They are enamored of his ability and feel it's huge keeping him as a member of the team for all the games day and night. They see him going long a lot.
There is a hidden message in the sentence above for all Sloter maniacs. =)
Quote: @StickyBun said:
This is hilarious honestly. Sloter is way overrated on this board. If you think he's going to light it up with another team, don't hold your breath.
It's not even Sloter so much as it is the coaching staff not showing due diligence in evaluating certain players. How would Sloter have played if he was given #2 reps for a week and better talent to work with....we will never know. How many other players are given half assed opportunities and are buried or cut without a true chance? I think given some of the failures or this staff that it's fair to question their approach when it doesnt jive with the eye test.
The funny part is Sloter fans calling him thenext Tom Brdy. Hell, some here even suggested Belichek will pick him u and dump Brady.....I say by this time tomorrow, Sloter is the vikings PS QB.......
Quote: @StickyBun said:
This is hilarious honestly. Sloter is way overrated on this board. If you think he's going to light it up with another team, don't hold your breath.
I have stayed out of this because people are so polarized but here is what I am thinking. Sloter played well in preseason games but what is it we know about preseason games? Everything is basic and vanilla. Sloter’s athleticism has shined in those spots.
Practice matters. It is a much larger body of work. They are throwing more things at him in practice than he sees in preseason games and apparently he has not progressed well in this situations after two years (three years if you count the Broncos). If he’s still not getting it, thats the reason he hasn’t moved up. Everyone is quick to blame Zimmer but he has basically turned the offense over to Kubiak and Stefanski. Hell, I don’t even particularly like Zimmer but these guys must see something they don’t like.
Perhaps the reason he has not played with the number twos is simply because he has not earned it? And perhaps they have seen enough to not wish to waste any more time trying to develop him.
Quote: @Purplewhizz said:
@ StickyBun said:
This is hilarious honestly. Sloter is way overrated on this board. If you think he's going to light it up with another team, don't hold your breath.
I have stayed out of this because people are so polarized but here is what I am thinking. Sloter played well in preseason games but what is it we know about preseason games? Everything is basic and vanilla. Sloter’s athleticism has shined in those spots.
Practice matters. It is a much larger body of work. They are throwing more things at him in practice than he sees in preseason games and apparently he has not progressed well in this situations after two years (three years if you count the Broncos). If he’s still not getting it, thats the reason he hasn’t moved up. Everyone is quick to blame Zimmer but he has basically turned the offense over to Kubiak and Stefanski. Hell, I don’t even particularly like Zimmer but these guys must see something they don’t like.
Perhaps the reason he has not played with the number twos is simply because he has not earned it? And perhaps they have seen enough to not wish to waste any more time trying to develop him.
Yep. I mean its as simple as this.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
@ StickyBun said:
This is hilarious honestly. Sloter is way overrated on this board. If you think he's going to light it up with another team, don't hold your breath.
I have stayed out of this because people are so polarized but here is what I am thinking. Sloter played well in preseason games but what is it we know about preseason games? Everything is basic and vanilla. Sloter’s athleticism has shined in those spots.
Practice matters. It is a much larger body of work. They are throwing more things at him in practice than he sees in preseason games and apparently he has not progressed well in this situations after two years (three years if you count the Broncos). If he’s still not getting it, thats the reason he hasn’t moved up. Everyone is quick to blame Zimmer but he has basically turned the offense over to Kubiak and Stefanski. Hell, I don’t even particularly like Zimmer but these guys must see something they don’t like.
Perhaps the reason he has not played with the number twos is simply because he has not earned it? And perhaps they have seen enough to not wish to waste any more time trying to develop him.
Yep. I mean its as simple as this.
The athleticism is what led the Vikings to sign him away from the Broncos practice squad. Everyone knew he was raw based on his minimal experience as a collegian. What they didn’t know is how quickly he could be developed.
People are naturally going on what they see - preseason games. What I have seen is a great athlete that does a great job improvising. But that won’t get you far once you run into teams with actual defensive game plans.
I can only summize that he has not progressed well in reading defenses and managing the offense. You would never know that by watching the preseason games.
Listen, I have no axe to grind. I was excited when they signed him from the Broncos. I have been critical of Zimmer many times in the last couple of seasons but looking at this logically, and reading between the lines with some of the comments from Zimmer and others that have seen him in more than preseason games, this would seem to be the case.
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