Quote: @pumpf said:
Genuine question, Maroon: why do you so often resort to personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you?
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I'm interested in an answer for this too. 
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hat...n-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.
Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.
Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
Yep communication breaks down once people resort to jabs and sound bites. I also thinks Obama over stepped his bounds. I never liked how he played the whole Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case here. His pushing forced the state attorney into a case they didn't want or think they could win. Then when they didn't it just created more outrage. Obama had his part to play I agree. He's gone now but obviously not in some minds. Now it's just blame games.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
i say the same thing about BLM... but our last president embraced those sound bites and added a bull horn, and now we are left with the shitty leftovers and the people that were heralding obama when he was echoing those sentiments and building the racial unrest and mistrust are tying to put the blame solely on Trump? want to know why inner city black kids get targeted, because thats where the crime is and in those areas its young black males committing the majority of the crimes.
Trump isnt innocent in this, but all he did was cash in on the mistrust created by obamas racial/racist rhetoric, obama paved trumps path to the whitehouse IMO.
Yep communication breaks down once people resort to jabs and sound bites. I also thinks Obama over stepped his bounds. I never liked how he played the whole Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case here. His pushing forced the state attorney into a case they didn't want or think they could win. Then when they didn't it just created more outrage. Obama had his part to play I agree. He's gone now but obviously not in some minds. Now it's just blame games.
Seems to be plenty of folks blaming trump for every perceived wrong in this country, many of which he inherited...but that is hardly a new direction for our country. Far to long we have accepted the status quo yet we lunge for every promise of change. I think that is exactly why the political superpowers in this country hate trump so much....right or wrong, he is trying something's and not following the old playbooks which makes those holding the strings nervous.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hat...n-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hate-crime-hoax-trans-person-burned-down-own-home-ryan-saavedra
In related news, Ethiopia received more US aid than any other country in the world to combat famine and hunger. And yet hunger remains a problem there. Not that I would expect a conservative evangelical to know the first thing about the least among us.
So government charity is the answer? Hmm, wonder why "conservative evangelicals" would have an issue with government run healthcare, gun control...
Or why these conversations devolve into crap when you throw that shit out there. Sounds like a liberal talking point, when all else fails take the anti-christian holier than thou stance. It looks good on ya.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hat...n-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
Going to hijack this thread, and ask a question referring to the tittle of this topic.
If he wanted to be a victim of a hate crime so badly, why didn't he just put on a MAGA hat?
He would have got beat up for free.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hat...n-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
I wont disagree with a lot of what you say, but where does this sense of entitlement come from in these angry young men that take what they want? who tells them that they dont have to earn what they get? who keeps saying we need to put more money into public housing projects where there are no jobs and no decent schools because nobody wants to teach in them? whose failed vision is this that keeps perpetuating itself? For the record I dont by that its one political party completely at fault here, because I think its more than just govt handouts that are causing all the issues here... but everything seems to stem back to impoverished neighborhoods and until those that live their decide that change starts with them... I think its proven that throwing more money at the problem isnt solving it. I may not have inner city projects out here in SD to look at, but I bet most of those inner city people would be scared shitless on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and appalled at the living conditions they see.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ pumpf said:
Yeah, gun control is doing wonders in Chicago.
That's one I never heard.
Roll eyes now.
Well, it's true. Chicago and DC are 2 of the most "gun-controlled" cities in the world... and yet they have the highest gun violence rates. Liberals keep pushing for gun control- but they never seem to be able to explain how new rules are going to save more lives.
Meanwhile, they're voting for "leaders" who are now openly advocating for infanticide. That hardly seems to align with their views about trying to "save the children".
By the way, I'll just leave this here for y'all:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/43930/hat...n-saavedra
Didn't mean anything personal pumpf. I don't dispute that DC, Chicago or any major city has gun violence problems. Is that a symptom of failed gun laws or poverty and the violence that goes with it? That is the real question. That statement is over used and just simplifies real problems people are just trying to survive through. That's why I don't like those sound bites. Wasn't trying to personally attack you. Just the simple funny little message that too many use to joke away lives in danger everyday.
If people want to start actual conversations about how to best deal with the real life issues in these inner-cities. Stop with the tired over used sound bites. However "true" they may be.
I didn't think you were attacking me. My comment was directed towards Maroon. And, while you're correct about gun violence (and violence in general)- that there is not one "simple" solution, it appears that that is the view of those screaming for gun control. Every study I've ever read says that violence (and poverty, for that matter) are the result of choices made by parents... which impact (and influence) their children. Children that grow up in certain kinds of environments have been shown to be most often (and directly) impacted by their family of origin. Yet those who say that they care the most... mention "personal responsibility" the least. THAT is the easiest way to fix most of our society's ills: better parenting. But fewer and fewer parents take that responsibility seriously... which, in turn, leads to alot of the problems that we see.
It's sometimes parenting. Sometimes peer pressure that even mom's that try can't control. Too many absentee dads. It's alot easier to parent in a nice sub division then a apartment in the hood as far as outside influences. Sometimes it's just young men angry and giving up so they choose to take what they think they deserve. Then mostly just end up getting what they do deserve. Just try and compete in a tough job market with that record then. Many layers no doubt.
I wont disagree with a lot of what you say, but where does this sense of entitlement come from in these angry young men that take what they want? who tells them that they dont have to earn what they get? who keeps saying we need to put more money into public housing projects where there are no jobs and no decent schools because nobody wants to teach in them? whose failed vision is this that keeps perpetuating itself? For the record I dont by that its one political party completely at fault here, because I think its more than just govt handouts that are causing all the issues here... but everything seems to stem back to impoverished neighborhoods and until those that live their decide that change starts with them... I think its proven that throwing more money at the problem isnt solving it. I may not have inner city projects out here in SD to look at, but I bet most of those inner city people would be scared shitless on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and appalled at the living conditions they see.
I don't disagree. I believe it does boil down to economics really. If not in these housing developments, where nobody wants to live, where then? You brought up the reservation. Isn't what the government, both parties as you say, doing just that? Not enough jobs. So if we are going to have to be forced to somehow provide the basics to survive for them. Why not put them all together. Isn't that what a reservation is? I don't like it but sometimes things have to be called what they are. I'm not running for office i can do that.
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