MN Legislator Murdered

[Waterboy]

is that documented somewhere...if not you might want to back track that statement or try and find something to substantiate the claim.
EDIT:  I see PF beat me to it.

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/wh...g-liberals

https://equityresearch.tufts.edu/why-bei...happiness/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/505745/depr...highs.aspx



https://news.northeastern.edu/2023/05/31...servative/

I know these are wildly conservative sites Jimmy.  Are you bringing fact checking into the site?  

[purplefaithful]

This is what I found interesting....

What do you make of the claims some prominent academics and commentators are making about the happiness or unhappiness of liberals and conservatives?

The short version is: this is very complicated. You’ve got to measure ideology, which is a compound feature made up of made up of a bunch of different features, and which is influenced by socioeconomic demographics, personality, life history, beliefs and more. It’s like this bundle of stuff, and then you’ve got to measure mental health or happiness, which is at least as complicated as ideology—and with as many factors. 

Finding causal connections between the two is very difficult. Finding associations, on the other hand—well, associations are easy to come by.

Some of the commentary seems to be coming from prominent opinion writers, such as the New York Times’ Ross Douthat and David Brooks, who have put forward theories to explain these differences in reported levels of happiness. 

Do you think that politics might also be motivating how these data are interpreted?

I think so. In a sense it’s kind of analogous to what sometimes happens on the left with psychological theories of right-wing authoritarianism, which is this attempt to explain conservatism in terms of more fundamental underlying personality traits—most of which are negative traits. 

Both sides are doing this; but this [drawing connections between ideology and mental health] is an example of where it’s being mostly pushed by the right.

What’s interesting about this is that mental health issues are much more stigmatized on the right than on the left. There’s all sorts of studies showing this.

When you get into the actual social science, one of the big criticisms or issues with these studies, particularly the ones driven by polls that rely on self-reported data, is that because there is this stigma on the right, you would expect … much less reporting of it in a poll than the truth of the matter. It’s hard to distinguish in these polls how much of this is due to actual differences in mental health, and how much of it is a result of this stigma issue, or simply differences in the underlying demographics of liberals versus conservatives.

[Waterboy]

This is what I found interesting....

What do you make of the claims some prominent academics and commentators are making about the happiness or unhappiness of liberals and conservatives?

The short version is: this is very complicated. You’ve got to measure ideology, which is a compound feature made up of made up of a bunch of different features, and which is influenced by socioeconomic demographics, personality, life history, beliefs and more. It’s like this bundle of stuff, and then you’ve got to measure mental health or happiness, which is at least as complicated as ideology—and with as many factors. 

Finding causal connections between the two is very difficult. Finding associations, on the other hand—well, associations are easy to come by.

Some of the commentary seems to be coming from prominent opinion writers, such as the New York Times’ Ross Douthat and David Brooks, who have put forward theories to explain these differences in reported levels of happiness. 

Do you think that politics might also be motivating how these data are interpreted?

I think so. In a sense it’s kind of analogous to what sometimes happens on the left with psychological theories of right-wing authoritarianism, which is this attempt to explain conservatism in terms of more fundamental underlying personality traits—most of which are negative traits. 

Both sides are doing this; but this [drawing connections between ideology and mental health] is an example of where it’s being mostly pushed by the right.

What’s interesting about this is that mental health issues are much more stigmatized on the right than on the left. There’s all sorts of studies showing this.

When you get into the actual social science, one of the big criticisms or issues with these studies, particularly the ones driven by polls that rely on self-reported data, is that because there is this stigma on the right, you would expect … much less reporting of it in a poll than the truth of the matter. It’s hard to distinguish in these polls how much of this is due to actual differences in mental health, and how much of it is a result of this stigma issue, or simply differences in the underlying demographics of liberals versus conservatives.

There are uncountable other sources on this and it passes the common sense smell test as well.  Do people like Greta Thornburg and Rosie O’Donnell for example look healthy to you?   Do the loudest people at the No Kings parades seem like happy people to you?  Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, but it’s born out of unhappiness and depression.  That’s just my opinion.  I think these articles are spot on.

[purplefaithful]

There are uncountable other sources on this and it passes the common sense smell test as well.  Do people like Greta Thornburg and Rosie O’Donnell for example look healthy to you?   Do the loudest people at the No Kings parades seem like happy people to you?  Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, but it’s born out of unhappiness and depression.  That’s just my opinion.  I think these articles are spot on.

You're just gravitating to who's on the media. No Kings, Greta and Rosie are not representative of anything, especially 1/2 the country that did not vote for Trump. 

I'm not going to try and change your mind on this one. So I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[Waterboy]

You're just gravitating to who's on the media. No Kings, Greta and Rosie are not representative of anything, especially 1/2 the country that did not vote for Trump. 

I'm not going to try and change your mind on this one. So I guess we'll agree to disagree.

We can do that.  Remember at least 40% of the liberal base by many accounts are all the way to the left full throttle. Communists who want to kill Jews are becoming a huge % of the party. I’m not really exaggerating.

[JimmyinSD]

We can do that.  Remember at least 40% of the liberal base by many accounts are all the way to the left full throttle. Communists who want to kill Jews are becoming a huge % of the party. I’m not really exaggerating.

What is a huge %?

[Waterboy]

What is a huge %?

2/3 of Democrats support socialism.  I've seen studies of upwards of 40% support communism.  I'll find it if you need to fact check me further.     These numbers are not hard to find at all, and they're pretty consistent.  The left has gone crazy, and pretty simply aren't rational as a whole.  

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...apitalism/

And 60% of Democrats support Palestinian causes over Israel.  And with this being such a huge campus thing, the cause is likely to spill over into additional violence and people supporting from the River to the Sea without fully understanding what the hell they're even supporting. 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less...aelis.aspx

That seems pretty "huge" to me, though I changed my wording to significant later on.

[purplefaithful]

Its true...

We're a nasty, evil 1/2 of the country that hates the US, yearns for socialism, don't fully support the military or Leo, wants tampons in every elementary schools boys bathroom, hates jews, pursues stoopid causes.

All and all? No good to find here, we're all cut from the same stained cloth.

No reason to find mutual causes or common ground for the betterment of all.

Peace out...

[Waterboy]

Its true...
We're a nasty, evil 1/2 of the country that hates the US, yearns for socialism, doesnt appreciate the military or Leo, wants tampons in every boys bathroom, hates jews, pursues stoopid causes.
All and all? No good to find here, we're all cut from the same stained cloth.
No reason to find mutual causes or common ground for the betterment of all.
Peace out...

I agree there should be middle ground.  Trump is a moderate Republican, while a very significant portion of the Democratic Party has lurched far left with the lack of leadership not reigning them in. How can the right try to find common ground when the Democrats in lock step oppose a moderate agenda that includes strong support for labor (unions), tax breaks for lower income Americans, support for Israel, border enforcement, fair trade, and aversion to forever wars?  There hasn't been one Democrat vote on anything but party lines and really only one to show support verbally (Fetterman) for any of Trump's agenda.  When your side actively fights and shoots at law enforcement, calls everybody fascists they don't agree with, and use the judicial system as a weapon, it's going to be nearly impossible to find middle ground.  

I know from reading you that you're not in that group.  Others on this site are and the polls back up that a very significant portion if not a majority of Democrats have lurched so far left as to be unreachable.  There is no talking to that group of people.  It sucks, but it's true.

[JimmyinSD]

I agree there should be middle ground.  Trump is a moderate Republican, while a very significant portion of the Democratic Party has lurched far left with the lack of leadership not reigning them in. How can the right try to find common ground when the Democrats in lock step oppose a moderate agenda that includes strong support for labor (unions), tax breaks for lower income Americans, support for Israel, border enforcement, fair trade, and aversion to forever wars?  There hasn't been one Democrat vote on anything but party lines and really only one to show support verbally (Fetterman) for any of Trump's agenda.  When your side actively fights and shoots at law enforcement, calls everybody fascists they don't agree with, and use the judicial system as a weapon, it's going to be nearly impossible to find middle ground.  

I know from reading you that you're not in that group.  Others on this site are and the polls back up that a very significant portion if not a majority of Democrats have lurched so far left as to be unreachable.  There is no talking to that group of people.  It sucks, but it's true.

If you are saying that Clinton democrats,   let alone Kennedy democrats, are no longer represented by the democrat party.. I will agree with that.  There's a far cry between liberals from the 90s and liberals today.  

I wont try and make broad sweeping associations though simply because someone still finds a stronger association to one side vs the other simply because of the information they have on the bull shit from either side.