Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Dan Orlovsky: "Most of these 1st round QBs if they go to Minnesota are going to be really good. Kevin's great, their offensive line is great, Addison's an awesome #2, Hockenson's a stud...I think Minnesota made those trades because they want to go get Drake Maye...If this young man goes to Minnesota he will be a stud."
https://twitter.com/TPPSkol/status/17687...37941?s=20
Orlovsky is an idiot...If he thinks we have an awesome O-line, he should just shut his mouth and run out of the back of the end zone.
you beat me to it, he could be silent and let the world think he is an idiot, but instead he chose to open his mouth and prove it.
That being said, the line can pass protect at an adequate level and you have targets all over the field. I can't think of a better situation to develop a guy with a gunslinger mentality when the head guy is a QB guru. I'd take Maye or McCarthy and put faith in the setting to get them to the next level.
I don't get the QB guru label. Exactly where is this list of QB's he's developed into pro bowlers? Cousins had 1 year with him before Minnesota, wasn't developed under O'Connell, nor did he turn his career around. When O'Connell was with the Rams, he was never a QB coach. Browns, they had Manziel in rehab.
It's just weird that because he comes off as a reasonable human being, who seems to have empathy, he is a Maharishi in the eyes of the media.
He was a highly successful OC and a former QB in the league, and has brought Cousins to an entirely other level. I would that qualifies as Start to being a guru.
Define bringing Kirk to an entirely different level. I know there are intangibles, but different level is a huge stretch. Cousins has been remarkably consistent while doing things on squads with different makeups schemes and coaches.
G Att C %. Y Avg Lg TD Int Rate
| 2018 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 606 | 425 | 70.1 | 4298 | 7.1 | 75 | 30 | 10 |
| | | | | 99.7
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| 2019 | Minnesota Vikings | 15 | 444 | 307 | 69.1 | 3603 | 8.1 | 66 | 26 | 6 |
| | | | | 107.4 |
| 2020 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 516 | 349 | 67.6 | 4265 | 8.3 | 71 | 35 | 13 | | | | | | 105
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| 2021 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 561 | 372 | 66.3 | 4221 | 7.5 | 64 | 33 | 7 | | | | | | 103.1
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| 2022 | Minnesota Vikings | 17 | 643 | 424 | 65.9 | 4547 | 7.1 | 66 | 29 | 14 |
| | | | | 92.5 |
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Who suspects that Belinda might be Vikergirl?
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
I saw a mock draft that showed McCarthy dropping to the 11th spot for Minnesota. I wish this was true and end up keeping both first round selections.
It's possible. Look what happened to Will Levis just last year. The Vikings are going to have to be very good with Intel and having a good idea of where teams are going with their picks. Right now information is all over the board on the quarterbacks
Remember 2021? Everyone and his brother were convinced the 49ers wanted Mac Jones in the trade up. This was the widely held belief until just a couple days before the draft.
In reality, they wanted Trey Lance. They don't make the move to 3 without knowing the Jets were going to take Zach Wilson. It's interesting to me they had that intel on March 26th of that year. Either that or they were OK with either Wilson, Lance, Jones or Fields, which seems less likely to me.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Dan Orlovsky: "Most of these 1st round QBs if they go to Minnesota are going to be really good. Kevin's great, their offensive line is great, Addison's an awesome #2, Hockenson's a stud...I think Minnesota made those trades because they want to go get Drake Maye...If this young man goes to Minnesota he will be a stud."
https://twitter.com/TPPSkol/status/17687...37941?s=20
Orlovsky is an idiot...If he thinks we have an awesome O-line, he should just shut his mouth and run out of the back of the end zone.
you beat me to it, he could be silent and let the world think he is an idiot, but instead he chose to open his mouth and prove it.
That being said, the line can pass protect at an adequate level and you have targets all over the field. I can't think of a better situation to develop a guy with a gunslinger mentality when the head guy is a QB guru. I'd take Maye or McCarthy and put faith in the setting to get them to the next level.
I don't get the QB guru label. Exactly where is this list of QB's he's developed into pro bowlers? Cousins had 1 year with him before Minnesota, wasn't developed under O'Connell, nor did he turn his career around. When O'Connell was with the Rams, he was never a QB coach. Browns, they had Manziel in rehab.
It's just weird that because he comes off as a reasonable human being, who seems to have empathy, he is a Maharishi in the eyes of the media.
He was a highly successful OC and a former QB in the league, and has brought Cousins to an entirely other level. I would that qualifies as Start to being a guru.
Define bringing Kirk to an entirely different level. I know there are intangibles, but different level is a huge stretch. Cousins has been remarkably consistent while doing things on squads with different makeups schemes and coaches.
G Att C %. Y Avg Lg TD Int Rate
| 2018 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 606 | 425 | 70.1 | 4298 | 7.1 | 75 | 30 | 10 |
| | | | | 99.7
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| 2019 | Minnesota Vikings | 15 | 444 | 307 | 69.1 | 3603 | 8.1 | 66 | 26 | 6 |
| | | | | 107.4 |
| 2020 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 516 | 349 | 67.6 | 4265 | 8.3 | 71 | 35 | 13 | | | | | | 105
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| 2021 | Minnesota Vikings | 16 | 561 | 372 | 66.3 | 4221 | 7.5 | 64 | 33 | 7 | | | | | | 103.1
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| 2022 | Minnesota Vikings | 17 | 643 | 424 | 65.9 | 4547 | 7.1 | 66 | 29 | 14 |
| | | | | 92.5 |
It's a fair enough argument. It feels like particularly in 22, those stats lied quite a bit. Kirk was money with the game on the line to a far greater extent than in the past. Also, the Vikes running game had ground to a halt over the last two years. But, still I think it's fair to question that part of the argument. The first two are pretty inarguable, though, and I feel most people in the league believe him to be someone who is advanced in helping qb's get the most out of themselves.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
I saw a mock draft that showed McCarthy dropping to the 11th spot for Minnesota. I wish this was true and end up keeping both first round selections.
It's possible. Look what happened to Will Levis just last year. The Vikings are going to have to be very good with Intel and having a good idea of where teams are going with their picks. Right now information is all over the board on the quarterbacks
Remember 2021? Everyone and his brother were convinced the 49ers wanted Mac Jones in the trade up. This was the widely held belief until just a couple days before the draft.
In reality, they wanted Trey Lance. They don't make the move to 3 without knowing the Jets were going to take Zach Wilson. It's interesting to me they had that intel on March 26th of that year. Either that or they were OK with either Wilson, Lance, Jones or Fields, which seems less likely to me.
Saleh had moved from Niner DC to Jets HC like a month prior. So he likely did the Niners a solid and told them his plans in New York.
Not sure we have such connections. Maybe if it was the Rams or something and McVay wanted to do KO a solid but I’m not seeing the link with us and the top teams this year. Unless KJ Osborne is angling for the Pats to trade us their pick and catch balls from Brissett all season long =).
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
I saw a mock draft that showed McCarthy dropping to the 11th spot for Minnesota. I wish this was true and end up keeping both first round selections.
It's possible. Look what happened to Will Levis just last year. The Vikings are going to have to be very good with Intel and having a good idea of where teams are going with their picks. Right now information is all over the board on the quarterbacks
Remember 2021? Everyone and his brother were convinced the 49ers wanted Mac Jones in the trade up. This was the widely held belief until just a couple days before the draft.
In reality, they wanted Trey Lance. They don't make the move to 3 without knowing the Jets were going to take Zach Wilson. It's interesting to me they had that intel on March 26th of that year. Either that or they were OK with either Wilson, Lance, Jones or Fields, which seems less likely to me.
Saleh had moved from Niner DC to Jets HC like a month prior. So he likely did the Niners a solid and told them his plans in New York.
Not sure we have such connections. Maybe if it was the Rams or something and McVay wanted to do KO a solid but I’m not seeing the link with us and the top teams this year. Unless KJ Osborne is angling for the Pats to trade us their pick and catch balls from Brissett all season long =).
No idea what it's worth but Kwesi and Commanders GM were in San Francisco together.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
I saw a mock draft that showed McCarthy dropping to the 11th spot for Minnesota. I wish this was true and end up keeping both first round selections.
It's possible. Look what happened to Will Levis just last year. The Vikings are going to have to be very good with Intel and having a good idea of where teams are going with their picks. Right now information is all over the board on the quarterbacks
Remember 2021? Everyone and his brother were convinced the 49ers wanted Mac Jones in the trade up. This was the widely held belief until just a couple days before the draft.
In reality, they wanted Trey Lance. They don't make the move to 3 without knowing the Jets were going to take Zach Wilson. It's interesting to me they had that intel on March 26th of that year. Either that or they were OK with either Wilson, Lance, Jones or Fields, which seems less likely to me.
Saleh had moved from Niner DC to Jets HC like a month prior. So he likely did the Niners a solid and told them his plans in New York.
Not sure we have such connections. Maybe if it was the Rams or something and McVay wanted to do KO a solid but I’m not seeing the link with us and the top teams this year. Unless KJ Osborne is angling for the Pats to trade us their pick and catch balls from Brissett all season long =).
No idea what it's worth but Kwesi and Commanders GM were in San Francisco together.
Do they have pictures of that weekend wine tasting in Sonoma?
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ ArizonaViking said:
I saw a mock draft that showed McCarthy dropping to the 11th spot for Minnesota. I wish this was true and end up keeping both first round selections.
It's possible. Look what happened to Will Levis just last year. The Vikings are going to have to be very good with Intel and having a good idea of where teams are going with their picks. Right now information is all over the board on the quarterbacks
Remember 2021? Everyone and his brother were convinced the 49ers wanted Mac Jones in the trade up. This was the widely held belief until just a couple days before the draft.
In reality, they wanted Trey Lance. They don't make the move to 3 without knowing the Jets were going to take Zach Wilson. It's interesting to me they had that intel on March 26th of that year. Either that or they were OK with either Wilson, Lance, Jones or Fields, which seems less likely to me.
Saleh had moved from Niner DC to Jets HC like a month prior. So he likely did the Niners a solid and told them his plans in New York.
Not sure we have such connections. Maybe if it was the Rams or something and McVay wanted to do KO a solid but I’m not seeing the link with us and the top teams this year. Unless KJ Osborne is angling for the Pats to trade us their pick and catch balls from Brissett all season long =).
No idea what it's worth but Kwesi and Commanders GM were in San Francisco together.
Do they have pictures of that weekend wine tasting in Sonoma?
Not just pictures, there's video....
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Elliot Wolf (acting GM for @Patriots ) was in Green Bay when they took Rodgers He was in Cleveland when they took Baker He was in New England when they took Mac He knows what happens when you take a QB with a bad roster around them and what happens when you build the roster first than take the QB. I expect Ne to trade back
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Elliot Wolf (acting GM for @Patriots ) was in Green Bay when they took Rodgers He was in Cleveland when they took Baker He was in New England when they took Mac He knows what happens when you take a QB with a bad roster around them and what happens when you build the roster first than take the QB. I expect Ne to trade back
Is that Ron Wolf's kiddo?
Here is another take on that topic:
Miller tweeted Monday, 5.5 weeks before the draft, “Every time I look at the New England roster I’m stuck with four HUGE needs: QB, LT, WR, and CB. With two picks in the top 34 and four core needs, I could still see NE being a trade-out candidate (with Minnesota) to collect more draft capital this year and potentially wait for ’25 QB class if they don’t love a Bo Nix or Michael Penix.”
He also added to the tweet, “There is always a chance Eliot Wolf and Jerod Mayo say, ‘Let’s solve the biggest piece of the puzzle first’ and draft a quarterback at 3. But if they don’t love Maye/McCarthy, I wouldn’t crush them for a trade out to collect capital.”
And this checks out. It’s made sense for a couple of months, even before Minnesota pulled off the trade with Houston. Plain and simple: New England has more roster needs than “just a quarterback.” For years — to the tune of six championships — the Patriots got away with formulating a roster of “their kind of guys” to go along with Tom Brady. Yet, after Brady left four years ago, and now with Bill Belichick gone, the roster isn’t in good shape to be a quarterback away from contendership.
That’s why many have identified New England as a trade partner for the Vikings, a team that does possess an offense tailor-made for a rookie quarterback. With Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, T.J. Hockenson, Aaron Jones, Ty Chandler, Christian Darrisaw, and Brian O’Neill, a rookie quarterback can be plopped into Minnesota’s offense and expected to flourish, at least to some extent.
Who would the Vikings target if Miller is right and the Patriots greenlight the deal? Probably Drake Maye. There’s always a chance the draft gets funky, and Washington grabs Maye, but sportsbooks believe LSU’s Jayden Daniels will don the Commanders’ maroon in September.
Finally, a Patriots trade with the Vikings could weaponize and accelerate New England’s roster construction, enabling Jerod Mayo and Co. to use 3-4 picks in the next two years for the price of one. A naysayer might counter, “Why would the Patriots pass on the chance to draft Maye or Daniels if they need a quarterback?” Well, New England would still own the Vikings’ 11th overall pick and could, in theory, draft J.J. McCarthy (Michigan) or Michael Penix Jr. (Washington), for example.
The trade will probably be there for the taking if the Patriots are interested. They must ask themselves if the roster is ready to enable Maye’s optimal development — or if it’s better to fortify it with high-round picks.
Miller believes the latter is more likely.
https://vikingsterritory.com/2024/news/analysis/trade-frontrunner-for-vikings-could-land-qb
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