Quote: @StickyBun said:
I think some fans are falling into the same trap every year: media says QBs will go fast and early + fans drink that Kool Aid = QBs don't go fast and early.
We all know that QBs are often over drafted because that position is the most important on the team, but agreed, last year the draft pundits had Levis as a top 10 pick.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ StickyBun said:
I think some fans are falling into the same trap every year: media says QBs will go fast and early + fans drink that Kool Aid = QBs don't go fast and early.
We all know that QBs are often over drafted because that position is the most important on the team, but agreed, last year the draft pundits had Levis as a top 10 pick.
One of the worst in recent memory was Jake Fromm. He was a 1st round pick by the vast majority of the sports media that did mocks. He went in round 5.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
Did anyone notice that Seattle hired Penix's QB coach at the U. of Washington, Ryan Grubb, to be their new OC? Seattle owns the 16th pick. They have no 2nd round pick (traded to NYG at the deadline for Leonard Williams). Geno Smith is in the final year of his contract. Their back up QB is Drew Lock who is an UFA.
It's possible that 6 QBs will be off the board by pick #16.
I would be shocked if all 6 go by #16... I think some of us are getting too wound up about QBs that we're forgetting that there are other talented players that are better prospects at their positions than Maye, JJM, Nix, and Penix are as QBs.
I think Williams and Daniels are safe bets to go 1-2 but I could see Maye and JJ slipping into that 5-10 range with the other talented players that will be on the board.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
Kirk Cousins, was brought along at the same time as RG3. Purdy was at the same time as Lance, I'm sure there are more but I'm not going to chase it. I'm guessing there are plenty of teams that wished they wouldn't have waited so long to bring in another young QB when they had one that didn't pan out.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The problem with your argument is every team, when they take a QB high, is fully planning on him being the face of the franchise.
Cousins getting taken in the 4th the same year as RG3 is the only time I can ever recall a team “doubling down” on a QB. Purdy was taken with the last pick in the draft. There’s absolutely no way they were planning on Purdy being anything other than a coin flip developmental guy when he was taken.
Teams are going to give a QB at least 2-3 years to develop when they spend a high draft pick on them. You move on from a 4th rounder in one year (ala Jaren Hall), you don’t punt a first or second rounder after half a season.
For the last time. Nobody is punting them in 1 year, simply having a back up plan in place. Do you wait until your car is completely out of gas before you fill it back up? Then what's so hard about bringing along 2 or 3 QBs at the same time and jetting the weakest ones beofre they hit free agency and going back to the well? This isn't about finding 1 QB, this is about keeping that cupboard full so you aren't as likely to find yourself stranded on the side of the road again.
You don’t keep drafting QBs high one year after another because it’ll affect the development of the first guy you take. You think a young QB is going to develop if they’re worried they’re going to lose their job/starting position every time they make a mistake because the team continually drafts their replacement year after year?
That’s why teams don’t go about it this way.
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
Kirk Cousins, was brought along at the same time as RG3. Purdy was at the same time as Lance, I'm sure there are more but I'm not going to chase it. I'm guessing there are plenty of teams that wished they wouldn't have waited so long to bring in another young QB when they had one that didn't pan out.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The problem with your argument is every team, when they take a QB high, is fully planning on him being the face of the franchise.
Cousins getting taken in the 4th the same year as RG3 is the only time I can ever recall a team “doubling down” on a QB. Purdy was taken with the last pick in the draft. There’s absolutely no way they were planning on Purdy being anything other than a coin flip developmental guy when he was taken.
Teams are going to give a QB at least 2-3 years to develop when they spend a high draft pick on them. You move on from a 4th rounder in one year (ala Jaren Hall), you don’t punt a first or second rounder after half a season.
For the last time. Nobody is punting them in 1 year, simply having a back up plan in place. Do you wait until your car is completely out of gas before you fill it back up? Then what's so hard about bringing along 2 or 3 QBs at the same time and jetting the weakest ones beofre they hit free agency and going back to the well? This isn't about finding 1 QB, this is about keeping that cupboard full so you aren't as likely to find yourself stranded on the side of the road again.
You don’t keep drafting QBs high one year after another because it’ll affect the development of the first guy you take. You think a young QB is going to develop if they’re worried they’re going to lose their job/starting position every time they make a mistake because the team continually drafts their replacement year after year?
That’s why teams don’t go about it this way.
Every other player on the field has competition, those QBs have had competition since they started playing the damn game, especially in college, they don't become mental pussies until they dont have to face competition at the pro level.
As far as what teams do or don't do....who gives a fuck? Maybe quality QB play wouldnt be so rare if they changed their approach, what they are doing now isn't working for 75% of the teams in the league so it's hardly the benchmark for finding and developing quality QB play.
Also, you don't have to take every QB in the first or 2md round unless you don't have a couple already in the system, if the Vikes were to go day 1 this year, day 2 next year, or if Hall suddenly looks like he has a future, that takes the pressure off year 3, but the way it's been done in the past just doesn't work as evidenced by our situation once again.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
Kirk Cousins, was brought along at the same time as RG3. Purdy was at the same time as Lance, I'm sure there are more but I'm not going to chase it. I'm guessing there are plenty of teams that wished they wouldn't have waited so long to bring in another young QB when they had one that didn't pan out.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The problem with your argument is every team, when they take a QB high, is fully planning on him being the face of the franchise.
Cousins getting taken in the 4th the same year as RG3 is the only time I can ever recall a team “doubling down” on a QB. Purdy was taken with the last pick in the draft. There’s absolutely no way they were planning on Purdy being anything other than a coin flip developmental guy when he was taken.
Teams are going to give a QB at least 2-3 years to develop when they spend a high draft pick on them. You move on from a 4th rounder in one year (ala Jaren Hall), you don’t punt a first or second rounder after half a season.
For the last time. Nobody is punting them in 1 year, simply having a back up plan in place. Do you wait until your car is completely out of gas before you fill it back up? Then what's so hard about bringing along 2 or 3 QBs at the same time and jetting the weakest ones beofre they hit free agency and going back to the well? This isn't about finding 1 QB, this is about keeping that cupboard full so you aren't as likely to find yourself stranded on the side of the road again.
You don’t keep drafting QBs high one year after another because it’ll affect the development of the first guy you take. You think a young QB is going to develop if they’re worried they’re going to lose their job/starting position every time they make a mistake because the team continually drafts their replacement year after year?
That’s why teams don’t go about it this way.
Every other player on the field has competition, those QBs have had competition since they started playing the damn game, especially in college, they don't become mental pussies until they dont have to face competition at the pro level.
As far as what teams do or don't do....who gives a fuck? Maybe quality QB play wouldnt be so rare if they changed their approach, what they are doing now isn't working for 75% of the teams in the league so it's hardly the benchmark for finding and developing quality QB play.
Also, you don't have to take every QB in the first or 2md round unless you don't have a couple already in the system, if the Vikes were to go day 1 this year, day 2 next year, or if Hall suddenly looks like he has a future, that takes the pressure off year 3, but the way it's been done in the past just doesn't work as evidenced by our situation once again.
All I'm saying is you're arguing for an approach that literally no team has done or likely will do. If we draft a QB high this year, there is almost no chance that the team will invest even a second or third rounder in the position again until they're 2-3 years down the road because they will be trying to build around the young man. While you may think your approach is the best way to go at it...no team in the NFL agrees...none. MY scenario is actually rooted in the reality of how teams historically have acted. If we take a QB in the first round this year....THAT is the guy that this front office is hanging their hat on to be the future face of the franchise and their future with the team will depend on it.
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ CFIAvike said:
Kirk Cousins, was brought along at the same time as RG3. Purdy was at the same time as Lance, I'm sure there are more but I'm not going to chase it. I'm guessing there are plenty of teams that wished they wouldn't have waited so long to bring in another young QB when they had one that didn't pan out.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The problem with your argument is every team, when they take a QB high, is fully planning on him being the face of the franchise.
Cousins getting taken in the 4th the same year as RG3 is the only time I can ever recall a team “doubling down” on a QB. Purdy was taken with the last pick in the draft. There’s absolutely no way they were planning on Purdy being anything other than a coin flip developmental guy when he was taken.
Teams are going to give a QB at least 2-3 years to develop when they spend a high draft pick on them. You move on from a 4th rounder in one year (ala Jaren Hall), you don’t punt a first or second rounder after half a season.
For the last time. Nobody is punting them in 1 year, simply having a back up plan in place. Do you wait until your car is completely out of gas before you fill it back up? Then what's so hard about bringing along 2 or 3 QBs at the same time and jetting the weakest ones beofre they hit free agency and going back to the well? This isn't about finding 1 QB, this is about keeping that cupboard full so you aren't as likely to find yourself stranded on the side of the road again.
You don’t keep drafting QBs high one year after another because it’ll affect the development of the first guy you take. You think a young QB is going to develop if they’re worried they’re going to lose their job/starting position every time they make a mistake because the team continually drafts their replacement year after year?
That’s why teams don’t go about it this way.
Every other player on the field has competition, those QBs have had competition since they started playing the damn game, especially in college, they don't become mental pussies until they dont have to face competition at the pro level.
As far as what teams do or don't do....who gives a fuck? Maybe quality QB play wouldnt be so rare if they changed their approach, what they are doing now isn't working for 75% of the teams in the league so it's hardly the benchmark for finding and developing quality QB play.
Also, you don't have to take every QB in the first or 2md round unless you don't have a couple already in the system, if the Vikes were to go day 1 this year, day 2 next year, or if Hall suddenly looks like he has a future, that takes the pressure off year 3, but the way it's been done in the past just doesn't work as evidenced by our situation once again.
All I'm saying is you're arguing for an approach that literally no team has done or likely will do. If we draft a QB high this year, there is almost no chance that the team will invest even a second or third rounder in the position again until they're 2-3 years down the road because they will be trying to build around the young man. While you may think your approach is the best way to go at it...no team in the NFL agrees...none. MY scenario is actually rooted in the reality of how teams historically have acted. If we take a QB in the first round this year....THAT is the guy that this front office is hanging their hat on to be the future face of the franchise and their future with the team will depend on it.
If it was conventional thinking and it worked, then what's the point of talking about it? Point is that teams have the most trouble with finding a QB and it's this conventional thinking that keeps them in those ruts,.... or keep doing it the same way and complain when it didn't work. Perhaps it's time to take a different approach if we want different results?
You can literally find average starters in free agency every year at every position, except QB, why isn't more emphasis put on drafting and developing QBs? Especially when you factor the impact they have on the cap.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
Did anyone notice that Seattle hired Penix's QB coach at the U. of Washington, Ryan Grubb, to be their new OC? Seattle owns the 16th pick. They have no 2nd round pick (traded to NYG at the deadline for Leonard Williams). Geno Smith is in the final year of his contract. Their back up QB is Drew Lock who is an UFA.
It's possible that 6 QBs will be off the board by pick #16.
Seattle's interesting. They haven't drafted a QB since Russell Wilson. Even after trading Wilson, despite having the 5th overall pick and the 9th overall pick the last two drafts, they still haven't drafted one.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Latest Walter Football Mock has us passing on JJM at 11 for Byron Murphy II
https://walterfootball.com/draft2024.php
If the draft played out that way and they don't pick a qb, I would actually be pissed off. I'm not sold on McCarthy but they have to take a shot at some point
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