The one thing that is odd to me is Ngakoue, is far from the typical DE that the vikings try to draft. They either go for a 6-5 proto-typical DE, or more of a 6-2 physical overcheiver. Ngakoue is a speed deamon on the edge, and a nightmare on passing downs. A little light when defending the run. I think the draft next year is truly going to be Russian roulette, especially at the top of the draft. The fact that we were able to get Ngakoue for a 2nd in next years draft is more than fair compensation. I would value that second as likely a late 3rd or early 4th due to the lack of game film that the scouts are going to be able to use.
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The one thing that is odd to me is Ngakoue, is far from the typical DE that the vikings try to draft. They either go for a 6-5 proto-typical DE, or more of a 6-2 physical overcheiver. Ngakoue is a speed deamon on the edge, and a nightmare on passing downs. A little light when defending the run. I think the draft next year is truly going to be Russian roulette, especially at the top of the draft. The fact that we were able to get Ngakoue for a 2nd in next years draft is more than fair compensation. I would value that second as likely a late 3rd or early 4th due to the lack of game film that the scouts are going to be able to use.
True, but I think traits are more important when projecting whether a prospect will translate to the NFL - when a player has 4 years in the league, they know he can play. But his size does make me wonder if we're going to play a lot more 3-4.
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@ Kmerry82 said:
The one thing that is odd to me is Ngakoue, is far from the typical DE that the vikings try to draft. They either go for a 6-5 proto-typical DE, or more of a 6-2 physical overcheiver. Ngakoue is a speed deamon on the edge, and a nightmare on passing downs. A little light when defending the run. I think the draft next year is truly going to be Russian roulette, especially at the top of the draft. The fact that we were able to get Ngakoue for a 2nd in next years draft is more than fair compensation. I would value that second as likely a late 3rd or early 4th due to the lack of game film that the scouts are going to be able to use.
True, but I think traits are more important when projecting whether a prospect will translate to the NFL - when a player has 4 years in the league, they know he can play. But his size does make me wonder if we're going to play a lot more 3-4.
I wondered the same thing.
Ngakoue has played LDE and RDE.
Same goes for Hunter and Odenigbo, and they can both be pass rush specialist as DT.
Now Capers can draw up some rather exotic shit.
The big stuff always happens when I take a day off from this site LOL. Man if we can just get anything from the DT's this D as a whole could be better than last year. We still have Smith/Harris/Barr/Kendricks/Hunter. Ngakoue is better than Griffen, and lets Odenigbo go back to being a super-sub. I'm betting that 2 out of 3 of Hughes/Hill/Dantzler are better than who they're replacing, plus working Gladney in as well.
That leaves it up to (I'm guessing) Jaleel Johnson and Shamar Stephen to not stink out the joint at DT.
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The big stuff always happens when I take a day off from this site LOL. Man if we can just get anything from the DT's this D as a whole could be better than last year. We still have Smith/Harris/Barr/Kendricks/Hunter. Ngakoue is better than Griffen, and lets Odenigbo go back to being a super-sub. I'm betting that 2 out of 3 of Hughes/Hill/Dantzler are better than who they're replacing, plus working Gladney in as well.
That leaves it up to (I'm guessing) Jaleel Johnson and Shamar Stephen to not stink out the joint at DT.
Smith/Harris
Barr/Kendricks
Hunter/Ngakoue
Those 3 tandems are Top 5? in the NFL.
there's question marks with the 5 other starters, but it's not like Zim or Patterson have never developed CB's or DLineman before......
Have there been any DTs who have made noise at training camp like Watts or Lynch? 3T has been a major hole that the Vikings ignored since Richardson left. I really want it to be the top priority in 2021.
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Have there been any DTs who have made noise at training camp like Watts or Lynch? 3T has been a major hole that the Vikings ignored since Richardson left. I really want it to be the top priority in 2021.
I've heard good things about both Watts and Jaleel Johnson. Apparently both have had good camps (Watts at backup NT and Johnson at 3T).
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@ Wetlander said:
Part of me wonders if it isn't just better to cut Reiff now and make that switch. I don't see him on the roster next year at his cap number.
I wonder if the Vikings are considering this now that we made the trade for Yannick... we can roll over the cap savings from Reiff to next year's cap, which will likely be stagnant (or go lower) due to lost revenue from this season.
Is this what would need to happen either way to keep Cook and sign Ngakoue long-term??
Maybe? The lynch pin will be the cap for next year... if we cut Reiff, that puts us back around 12 million in space. If we sit on it, we can roll that extra 12 million on to next year's cap. But if the cap goes down 10-15 million, then we're still over the cap and we'll need to get creative with some restructures (Harry) and probably cut guys like Rudy, Shamar, etc. to make it back under the cap.
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