The horse is gonna get beaten into the ground until the QB situation gets addressed. That will be a nice, big, shiny distraction from this discussion...but inevitably lead to more armchair coaching/managing until preseason at least.
Ah, fandom.
Quote: @Zanary said:
The horse is gonna get beaten into the ground until the QB situation gets addressed. That will be a nice, big, shiny distraction from this discussion...but inevitably lead to more armchair coaching/managing until preseason at least.
Ah, fandom.
its like we've somehow traveled this path before.... like deja vu all over again.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.
Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation.
Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.
edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Quote: @greediron said:
Love the cherry picking of stats.
Teddy QBed his team to a NFCN title and the playoffs in his second year professionally.
But that was about the team and Adrian. But Adrian sucked and was a one trick pony and Norv sucked but Teddy held the offense back.
Case led his team to the #2 seed and a bye in the playoffs and was magical or just a system QB depending on who you ask.
Sam changed teams/offenses right before the season and was a miracle worker and set records yet he didn't win. But he had an awful line with injuries galore.
So there, we have it on the table. Pick your excuses, figure out what stats you want to cherry pick to concoct your opinion. There is plenty of data here for everyone to pick some random player or stat that will bolster your "facts". Get here early to use the best ones before they are beaten like a dead horse.
Totally agree. To this, I would only say that I have no dog in this race. I've said it a hundred times before and I'll say it a hundred times again. I'm not team-Teddy, team-Sam or team-Case, or team-Kirk. I'm team-Vikings. And what I want more than anything else is the Vikings to make their decision with time and carefully deliberation of CONTEXT and supporting cast. And if they do that--and I feel confident that they will--then I will be happy with whom they choose.
Those who know me know that I've been pounding the supporting-cast drum beat LONG before this season. I've been saying for years that the failure of NFL front offices to adequately factor in supporting cast and context (line, injuries, scheme, continuity) in their evaluation of players is the #1 reason why they continue to make ridiculously bad decisions, especially with QBs, whether it's Randall Cunningtham, Matt Cassel or Jake Delhomme or Nick Foles or Marc Bulger.
I'm not saying I could do any better. But I want the Vikings to do better.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.
Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation.
Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.
edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.
Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation.
Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.
edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
There are going to be some real Debbie Downers around here when the starting QB is picked, some I told you so's, and some like me who will be too confuzzled to know how to feel.
Of this I'm sure--no matter who is picked he will have the weight of the Viking world on his shoulders.
I'll state this clearly:
if the resulting QB gets this team past its various postseason curses, I'm all for whatever they pay him.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.
Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation.
Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.
edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
you are comparing a qb in a norv offense in his second year in the league to a qb in a hybrid offense in his 5th (?) year in the league. its absurd to think that Teddy was anywhere near a finished product or to say that Sam didnt have a better supporting cast (minus the OL) than Teddy. to try and compare the two situations is absurd as trying to compare what Sam did in 16 to what Case did in 17. thats what makes all this such a joke as none of us really have any idea of what to expect out of any of the 3.
Until Teddy puts the numbers up that Keenum did this year what your saying is a joke...it's all just speculation.
Teddy could have promise, but are we willing to take a year to find that out. Or maybe his knee doesn't last the season...All unknowns not fact.
edit: And probably every morning while drinking their coffee Zim,Rick and Flip read these QB topics and about piss their pants laughing. :p
Wtf are you talking about? All I said was their situations were so different that they can't be compared. Has nothing to do with cases numbers this year or any other year.
Teddy would beat Case out for the job and you would have 20+ million stuck into a non producing spot that could better be spent on improving an already weak spot like OG or 3T
And until they have a head to head competition your dismissing teddy based on his performance 2 years ago is just as laughable and you assuming Case would win the job is just as speculative.
If we retain Case why would he lose his job? Case didn't give Teddy a chance this year did he?
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