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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
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Right now, Oliver is the 1st overall tight end on PFF. A total of 71 TEs are considered, but Oliver’s 89.5 grade is claiming the gold medal.
Yeah, but Kwesi spent like $60 Billion on a back up TE. Get the pitchforks and torches!!!
Don't give them any ideas. It’s a public safety issue. That crowd is so fucking stupid they'd be running around the exurbs with their heads on fire and pitchforks stuck in their asses.
Because anybody that doesn't agree with the Homer's take has to be fucking stupid.
What's the Homer's take?
read you past posts. anybody you disagree with gets blasted, apparently in this instance they are "fucking stupid" simply because you disagree with their positions on something. contrary to your belief, you are not dead on in all things Vikings related, you are have a pretty good football opinion on most things, but you do get blinded by purple and just because some have a different view on something (KAM, his hiring, and his efforts to date ) doesnt make them "fucking stupid".
Wait Jimmy, you must have missed that Asamoah was going to be a "superstar" this season, Lewis Cine was going to be an amazing piece in the Brian Flores system, continuity on the offensive line was all we needed for improvement, and we were winning 12 games and competing to go to the Super Bowl this season and anybody who thought otherwise had an agenda. But hey, everybody else is the fucking morons, right?
Yep, we have all been right sometimes and wrong more often. We all have the same goal for our team. We have a few who are Pollyanna and a few who are critical, and neither is stupid/right/wrong. I put myself more in the critical category over the years and heading into this season. I saw a 9-win team because IOL and front 7 remained a weakness that went unaddressed. Others though continuity on OL and Flores on Defense were enough but I and the critical group did not buy it. I would say we are on the "right" side of that, but it is all our loss because our team is struggling. It is also still early in the season. I still think we could squeeze out 9 wins but this is not a very good team overall. I also think the competitive rebuild is a patchwork approach and I am not impressed by Kwesi at all. Some will say you have to wait to judge some of these things and I say...no you don't...call it like you see it. I really don't think this organization is heading in the right direction.
For example, “if Cine ever figures out how to tackle, he could eventually replace Harry.” Because he could. Or “continuity should lead to incremental improvement from our OL.” Because it should. Some people read this as “Cine is going to be an amazing piece” and “all our line needs is continuity.” (Yeah, you did too there, buddy. LOL). But that’s on them, not me. You might consider this a soft stance, avoiding a bold or “hot” take, and you’d be exactly right. I always want to avoid that, because I find hot takes naive and unpersuasive. Eye rolling, if I’m honest. Because above all, I want to be reasonable in my positions whether I’m debating the Vikings, Wall Street or whose turn it is to make dinner.
Well Bruvva, it's a long season, but thusfar you've been wrong more about this team then you've been right, so to go out of your way to call anybody "fucking stupid" is laughable after hearing you yap all offseason. Even your buddy Sticky knows it. Coach Prime ain't the only one keeping receipts.
Sticky is fucking stupid.
That was a joke.
Its true. Ask my wife!
Already did. Boom!
lol, nice.... B)
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ Kentis said:
Right now, Oliver is the 1st overall tight end on PFF. A total of 71 TEs are considered, but Oliver’s 89.5 grade is claiming the gold medal.
Yeah, but Kwesi spent like $60 Billion on a back up TE. Get the pitchforks and torches!!!
Don't give them any ideas. It’s a public safety issue. That crowd is so fucking stupid they'd be running around the exurbs with their heads on fire and pitchforks stuck in their asses.
Because anybody that doesn't agree with the Homer's take has to be fucking stupid.
What's the Homer's take?
read you past posts. anybody you disagree with gets blasted, apparently in this instance they are "fucking stupid" simply because you disagree with their positions on something. contrary to your belief, you are not dead on in all things Vikings related, you are have a pretty good football opinion on most things, but you do get blinded by purple and just because some have a different view on something (KAM, his hiring, and his efforts to date ) doesnt make them "fucking stupid".
Wait Jimmy, you must have missed that Asamoah was going to be a "superstar" this season, Lewis Cine was going to be an amazing piece in the Brian Flores system, continuity on the offensive line was all we needed for improvement, and we were winning 12 games and competing to go to the Super Bowl this season and anybody who thought otherwise had an agenda. But hey, everybody else is the fucking morons, right?
Yep, we have all been right sometimes and wrong more often. We all have the same goal for our team. We have a few who are Pollyanna and a few who are critical, and neither is stupid/right/wrong. I put myself more in the critical category over the years and heading into this season. I saw a 9-win team because IOL and front 7 remained a weakness that went unaddressed. Others though continuity on OL and Flores on Defense were enough but I and the critical group did not buy it. I would say we are on the "right" side of that, but it is all our loss because our team is struggling. It is also still early in the season. I still think we could squeeze out 9 wins but this is not a very good team overall. I also think the competitive rebuild is a patchwork approach and I am not impressed by Kwesi at all. Some will say you have to wait to judge some of these things and I say...no you don't...call it like you see it. I really don't think this organization is heading in the right direction.
For example, “if Cine ever figures out how to tackle, he could eventually replace Harry.” Because he could. Or “continuity should lead to incremental improvement from our OL.” Because it should. Some people read this as “Cine is going to be an amazing piece” and “all our line needs is continuity.” (Yeah, you did too there, buddy. LOL). But that’s on them, not me. You might consider this a soft stance, avoiding a bold or “hot” take, and you’d be exactly right. I always want to avoid that, because I find hot takes naive and unpersuasive. Eye rolling, if I’m honest. Because above all, I want to be reasonable in my positions whether I’m debating the Vikings, Wall Street or whose turn it is to make dinner.
Well Bruvva, it's a long season, but thusfar you've been wrong more about this team then you've been right, so to go out of your way to call anybody "fucking stupid" is laughable after hearing you yap all offseason. Even your buddy Sticky knows it. Coach Prime ain't the only one keeping receipts.
I think I can help you. As you know, when it comes to our GM, I typically list the decisions I agree with and those I don't. Do me a favor and list all the things he's done that you've agreed with. I could be wrong, but I don't think I've heard you mention any. And that's why your opinions come off as agenda-driven.
Sticky is fucking stupid.
That was a joke.
Well there hasn't been a lot to like from a personnel standpoint and his inexperience has shown from trade value to personnel to money allocation. We are a 1-3 football team with talent deficiencies along both lines.
I was ok with the Addison selection as I recognized the need at the position, even if he wasn't my first choice as a player. I was ok with OConnell as I recognized the direction the league was going and it becoming more offense dominant. What else are we writing home about? The Hockenson trade? Which team got the better of that deal at this point? I would say the Lions. You want to toot his horn over Pace? That would be the equivelant of Spielman tooting his horn over Thielen. Sometimes you just get lucky and hitting on an undrafted free agent is exactly that.
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Cousins calls Oliver the 'Sears Tower', lol. Because he's tall. And Kirk's a nerd.
Or old. It hasn't been called the Sears Tower in years.
Actually, Kirko knew that:
"It’s not a great nickname, but I started calling him the ‘Sears Tower,’ because I feel like when I throw to him, I’m throwing to the Sears Tower running across the field," Kirk Cousins said of Oliver this week. "And it’s not even the Sears Tower anymore, it’s the Willis Tower, but the nickname still works. It hasn’t truly caught on. I don’t think there’s many guys in the locker room calling him that. But I feel like that sums it up. He’s a big target, a friendly target, great athleticism and obviously a great blocker." - Kirk Cousins
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@ MaroonBells said:
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Cousins calls Oliver the 'Sears Tower', lol. Because he's tall. And Kirk's a nerd.
Or old. It hasn't been called the Sears Tower in years.
Actually, Kirko knew that:
"It’s not a great nickname, but I started calling him the ‘Sears Tower,’ because I feel like when I throw to him, I’m throwing to the Sears Tower running across the field," Kirk Cousins said of Oliver this week. "And it’s not even the Sears Tower anymore, it’s the Willis Tower, but the nickname still works. It hasn’t truly caught on. I don’t think there’s many guys in the locker room calling him that. But I feel like that sums it up. He’s a big target, a friendly target, great athleticism and obviously a great blocker." - Kirk Cousins
It's kinda like Mile High. You can change the name a dozen times and people will still call it Mile High. But I'm happy to hear that Kirk gave credit to its new owner...
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See, by any standard, that’s a rational, reasonable take. It only SOUNDS like starry-eyed homerism when you compare it to the surplus of negativity directed at every decision the GM makes simply because some folks don’t like him….or wanted him to make a decision THEY supported. You have to admit it’s pretty ridiculous. Any reasonable evaluation of our GM would factor in his good decisions (TJH, KOC, Thielen, Cook) and bad (trade down comp, Donatell, Tomlinson) and those for which it's too early (drafts, Davenport, Oliver, Flores). But in context with other NFL GMs, that's probably par for the course.
After watching Thielen tear us up last week and also seeing his leadership on the field which we sorely miss, how was letting him go a good move? Also, after the move to go out and get Akers we can't say not keeping Cook was a good thing and when you consider what we are paying TJH and what we gave up for him, I am not sold on that being a good move as he has looked very average, not very physical and apathetic on the field this year. His draft issues have been much more than just the trade down comp, but what he has done with the picks he did have. I don't think it is fair to say anyone who criticizes Kwesi doesn't like him, maybe we do not like what he has done, guarantee if he had hit on a good number of these moves most would love him.
You seriously think giving a 3-year, $25M contract to a 33-year-old receiver was the right move for the Vikings? I think it was the right move for Carolina, considering their rookie QB, and how much a veteran WR could help him. But it sure as hell wasn't for us, considering the realities of our cap, Cousins, Jefferson, etc.
So you are against giving one of the leaders of the team and a guy who was one of the top W2s in the league 3 years 25 million, but you are okay with 3 years 21 million for a TE who only blocks and outside of the selected clips you have put here, has not that done that particularly well. For the record last week Thielen 7 receptions for 76 yards, Oliver 0 receptions and one costly hold that was a 14 point swing (which didn't seem to show up all your "highlight" reels!)
Oh my, why do I even try? Um....yes? Hell yes?
GMs have to make decisions with an eye focused not on one game, or even one year, but two, three years down the road. Given Thielen's age, Oliver's age, what both offered, replaceability, our cap situation, etc., I think it was the right decision and it's the decision I would've made 10 times outta 10. But call me crazy!! LOL.
so given that ( which I agree with btw ) why are you so set against moving on from Cousins, he is in the twilight of his career, will be wanting near top money, and this team is not in a win now mode that would suggest throwing in with a vet QB because every game counts. why not grab some draft capital, save the cap hits, and what we can get from Kirk to develop a better team in 2-3 years down the road? How does keeping kirk on a go no where team help this team 2-3 years down the road?
I'm not dead set against moving on from Cousins. It hurts my feelings that you don't read my posts, particularly the ones where I've said repeatedly that we should draft the QBOTF this spring.
I've also said that if the team is under 3-5 or suffers an injury to one of its key players by trade deadline, which could make them a "go nowhere" team, then we might want to consider shifting our focus to '24 and trading a player or two for draft capital. I think Hunter is a candidate.
I don't get into the trade-Cousins nonsense because it's a non-starter. He has a no-trade clause. Could they work that out? Maybe. But I also happen to believe he's one of the top 6 or 7 QBs in the NFL and, despite his age and contract and knowing what I know about draft history, we're more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next couple years with him than without him.
you have also advocated for signing him to a 1 or 2 year deal to bridge for said new QBOTF.
why do you need to wait? if you cant see by now that this team is going no where this year then your judgement is fair game to question IMO, blind squirrels find nuts of course, but why wait until every last thread is broken before conceding the year? the longer we wait to make moves, the less value our pieces will have. If Kirk or Hunter were on the market now you will have more teams thinking they are just 1 piece away, but if you wait another 4 games, just like your favorite team, there will be more that have seen the light and arent willing to give up premium draft picks.
We can disagree on Cousins and winning as SB, as long as he is who he is, and is a declining player ( yes Ive seen his stats, but I also watch his play and athletically he is starting to show his age IMO) I dont see a clear path to finding a QBOTF, fixing the OL and DL, as well as LB, DB, and whatever else goes to shit in the meantime, as well as paying Kirk 40+ million per year that he will likely be wanting. IMO we need his cap space as well as the draft picks that we could get for him to get this thing turned around. I dont see it happening with him at 36 or older since they werent able to make it happen in the previous years leading up to now, if anything we are getting further away from being a contender and resigning kirk wont change that.
I don't agree that Cousins is a player in decline. I don't agree that the Vikings are yet out of it. And I don't agree that it's wise to bring in a rookie QB without a veteran in place.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
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@ MaroonBells said:
See, by any standard, that’s a rational, reasonable take. It only SOUNDS like starry-eyed homerism when you compare it to the surplus of negativity directed at every decision the GM makes simply because some folks don’t like him….or wanted him to make a decision THEY supported. You have to admit it’s pretty ridiculous. Any reasonable evaluation of our GM would factor in his good decisions (TJH, KOC, Thielen, Cook) and bad (trade down comp, Donatell, Tomlinson) and those for which it's too early (drafts, Davenport, Oliver, Flores). But in context with other NFL GMs, that's probably par for the course.
After watching Thielen tear us up last week and also seeing his leadership on the field which we sorely miss, how was letting him go a good move? Also, after the move to go out and get Akers we can't say not keeping Cook was a good thing and when you consider what we are paying TJH and what we gave up for him, I am not sold on that being a good move as he has looked very average, not very physical and apathetic on the field this year. His draft issues have been much more than just the trade down comp, but what he has done with the picks he did have. I don't think it is fair to say anyone who criticizes Kwesi doesn't like him, maybe we do not like what he has done, guarantee if he had hit on a good number of these moves most would love him.
You seriously think giving a 3-year, $25M contract to a 33-year-old receiver was the right move for the Vikings? I think it was the right move for Carolina, considering their rookie QB, and how much a veteran WR could help him. But it sure as hell wasn't for us, considering the realities of our cap, Cousins, Jefferson, etc.
So you are against giving one of the leaders of the team and a guy who was one of the top W2s in the league 3 years 25 million, but you are okay with 3 years 21 million for a TE who only blocks and outside of the selected clips you have put here, has not that done that particularly well. For the record last week Thielen 7 receptions for 76 yards, Oliver 0 receptions and one costly hold that was a 14 point swing (which didn't seem to show up all your "highlight" reels!)
Oh my, why do I even try? Um....yes? Hell yes?
GMs have to make decisions with an eye focused not on one game, or even one year, but two, three years down the road. Given Thielen's age, Oliver's age, what both offered, replaceability, our cap situation, etc., I think it was the right decision and it's the decision I would've made 10 times outta 10. But call me crazy!! LOL.
so given that ( which I agree with btw ) why are you so set against moving on from Cousins, he is in the twilight of his career, will be wanting near top money, and this team is not in a win now mode that would suggest throwing in with a vet QB because every game counts. why not grab some draft capital, save the cap hits, and what we can get from Kirk to develop a better team in 2-3 years down the road? How does keeping kirk on a go no where team help this team 2-3 years down the road?
I'm not dead set against moving on from Cousins. It hurts my feelings that you don't read my posts, particularly the ones where I've said repeatedly that we should draft the QBOTF this spring.
I've also said that if the team is under 3-5 or suffers an injury to one of its key players by trade deadline, which could make them a "go nowhere" team, then we might want to consider shifting our focus to '24 and trading a player or two for draft capital. I think Hunter is a candidate.
I don't get into the trade-Cousins nonsense because it's a non-starter. He has a no-trade clause. Could they work that out? Maybe. But I also happen to believe he's one of the top 6 or 7 QBs in the NFL and, despite his age and contract and knowing what I know about draft history, we're more likely to win a Super Bowl in the next couple years with him than without him.
you have also advocated for signing him to a 1 or 2 year deal to bridge for said new QBOTF.
why do you need to wait? if you cant see by now that this team is going no where this year then your judgement is fair game to question IMO, blind squirrels find nuts of course, but why wait until every last thread is broken before conceding the year? the longer we wait to make moves, the less value our pieces will have. If Kirk or Hunter were on the market now you will have more teams thinking they are just 1 piece away, but if you wait another 4 games, just like your favorite team, there will be more that have seen the light and arent willing to give up premium draft picks.
We can disagree on Cousins and winning as SB, as long as he is who he is, and is a declining player ( yes Ive seen his stats, but I also watch his play and athletically he is starting to show his age IMO) I dont see a clear path to finding a QBOTF, fixing the OL and DL, as well as LB, DB, and whatever else goes to shit in the meantime, as well as paying Kirk 40+ million per year that he will likely be wanting. IMO we need his cap space as well as the draft picks that we could get for him to get this thing turned around. I dont see it happening with him at 36 or older since they werent able to make it happen in the previous years leading up to now, if anything we are getting further away from being a contender and resigning kirk wont change that.
I don't agree that Cousins is a player in decline. I don't agree that the Vikings are yet out of it. And I don't agree that it's wise to bring in a rookie QB without a veteran in place.
that veteran doesnt have to be a top of the market declining veteran though, you can bring in a bridge guy to mentor the youngster and take snaps if necessary until he is ready. as far as the rest of your post... thats why I call you Homer, you will be the last on this board to see it, and it will take you even longer to admit it, its not a bad thing, its just a blind spot for you, but I bet you get more enjoyment out of the wins that way so good for you!
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I don't agree that Cousins is a player in decline. I don't agree that the Vikings are yet out of it. And I don't agree that it's wise to bring in a rookie QB without a veteran in place.
that veteran doesnt have to be a top of the market declining veteran though, you can bring in a bridge guy to mentor the youngster and take snaps if necessary until he is ready. as far as the rest of your post... thats why I call you Homer, you will be the last on this board to see it, and it will take you even longer to admit it, its not a bad thing, its just a blind spot for you, but I bet you get more enjoyment out of the wins that way so good for you!
LOL. Honestly, I think I'm the one with a better grasp on reality. And not so much because I think the Vikings are a Super Bowl team; more because I see them in proper context with the rest of the NFL.
We had someone a couple weeks ago bitching about how Cousins passes, despite the fact that they hit his receivers in the hands, were a foot off, as if that's a bad thing. Or even unusual among good NFL QBs.
Case in point, just for context, check out Mahomes on the play below. Best QB in the NFL. LOVE to have him. But at 4 secs, he's got a clean pocket and one wide open receiver for a 1st down. He doesn't throw. At 5 secs, he has two open receivers and doesn't throw. At 6, he has a 3rd receiver deep who scores if he throws the ball. He doesn't. Eventually protection breaks down and he throws to the 1st guy, who's still wide open, but he throws it a mile over his head. Imagine how Viking fans might react to this.
Oh but Cousins was off by a foot!! On two TD balls....that hit his receivers...in the hands. It's this shit that drives ya crazy, and makes ya wonder if some Viking fans just don't watch other teams.
https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/17...72545?s=20
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I don't agree that Cousins is a player in decline. I don't agree that the Vikings are yet out of it. And I don't agree that it's wise to bring in a rookie QB without a veteran in place.
that veteran doesnt have to be a top of the market declining veteran though, you can bring in a bridge guy to mentor the youngster and take snaps if necessary until he is ready. as far as the rest of your post... thats why I call you Homer, you will be the last on this board to see it, and it will take you even longer to admit it, its not a bad thing, its just a blind spot for you, but I bet you get more enjoyment out of the wins that way so good for you!
LOL. Honestly, I think I'm the one with a better grasp on reality. And not so much because I think the Vikings are a Super Bowl team; more because I see them in proper context with the rest of the NFL.
We had someone a couple weeks ago bitching about how Cousins passes, despite the fact that they hit his receivers in the hands, were a foot off, as if that's a bad thing. Or even unusual among good NFL QBs.
Case in point, just for context, check out Mahomes on the play below. Best QB in the NFL. LOVE to have him. But at 4 secs, he's got a clean pocket and one wide open receiver for a 1st down. He doesn't throw. At 5 secs, he has two open receivers and doesn't throw. At 6, he has a 3rd receiver deep who scores if he throws the ball. He doesn't. Eventually protection breaks down and he throws to the 1st guy, who's still wide open, but he throws it a mile over his head. Imagine how Viking fans might react to this.
Oh but Cousins was off by a foot!! On two TD balls....that hit his receivers...in the hands. It's this shit that drives ya crazy, and makes ya wonder if some Viking fans just don't watch other teams.
https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/17...72545?s=20
of course you do, you always do, thats your reality.
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@ MaroonBells said:
I don't agree that Cousins is a player in decline. I don't agree that the Vikings are yet out of it. And I don't agree that it's wise to bring in a rookie QB without a veteran in place.
that veteran doesnt have to be a top of the market declining veteran though, you can bring in a bridge guy to mentor the youngster and take snaps if necessary until he is ready. as far as the rest of your post... thats why I call you Homer, you will be the last on this board to see it, and it will take you even longer to admit it, its not a bad thing, its just a blind spot for you, but I bet you get more enjoyment out of the wins that way so good for you!
LOL. Honestly, I think I'm the one with a better grasp on reality. And not so much because I think the Vikings are a Super Bowl team; more because I see them in proper context with the rest of the NFL.
We had someone a couple weeks ago bitching about how Cousins passes, despite the fact that they hit his receivers in the hands, were a foot off, as if that's a bad thing. Or even unusual among good NFL QBs.
Case in point, just for context, check out Mahomes on the play below. Best QB in the NFL. LOVE to have him. But at 4 secs, he's got a clean pocket and one wide open receiver for a 1st down. He doesn't throw. At 5 secs, he has two open receivers and doesn't throw. At 6, he has a 3rd receiver deep who scores if he throws the ball. He doesn't. Eventually protection breaks down and he throws to the 1st guy, who's still wide open, but he throws it a mile over his head. Imagine how Viking fans might react to this.
Oh but Cousins was off by a foot!! On two TD balls....that hit his receivers...in the hands. It's this shit that drives ya crazy, and makes ya wonder if some Viking fans just don't watch other teams.
https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/17...72545?s=20
of course you do, you always do, thats your reality.
What's your reality on the Mahomes play? How would you respond if that were Cousins? Can you be objective? Honest? Fair and balanced? ;-)
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