I'd have tanked it and drafted Mahomes the next spring. When Ted went down with such a brutal injury my first thought was tank the season and draft his successor.
Now before anyone cries it would be impossible to pull that off, I have been told over and over around here what a great g.m. Rick was. Surely a great g.m. could have accomplished that, instead of giving up the farm for journeyman Sam Bradford and his bum knees, right?
Unfortunately, short-term short-sighted thinking helmed the Longship for many years, leading to so many missed opportunities on the personnel front. Maybe KAM is finally going to change that, we'll see.
The problem I had with Bradford was wondering if he'd be good. He
could look awesome, but then just take a stupid sack, make a really costly Int or fumble.
He just never was a top tier QB. I "wanted" to like that trade, but
Bradford was just never all that good and I was skeptical. That 70%
completion rate in 2016 was a bit misleading by the 7 yard completion
average (among then lowest in the NFL).I do think Rick did
swing for the fences with that trade looking for a short term QB solution, but
it turned out to be a swing and a huge miss.Funny how it's Ok if Rick swings and misses, but if Kwesi does it, he's just a complete clueless inexperienced idiot.Why is that?
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
I think we can throw Sam Bradford out of that mix. When you are a conference favorite and lose your starting quarterback to a catastrophic leg injury 10 days before the regular season starts...you do what you have to do, and Bradford was a good player for us until his knee gave out. There were no better options and holding that move as a negative against Spieman is ridiculous
Nope you cant make excuses why a pick was made or draft was made.
1. Rick was GM when Daniel Carlson was cut
2. Rick gave up too much for Bradford who ended up being wait for it …. injured and nit justifying all the picks.
This is what was said at the time
Quote:The Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and a fourth-round pick in 2018 that can become a third- or second-rounder based on conditions -- a massive price to pay for what could amount to one season of work.
Again i am not blaming Rick. i am just saying all GMs have good and bad moves.
It's not an excuse, but what was the alternative? What would you have preferred him to do in that situation?
Draft a backup rather than rely on Shaun Hill? Rick really could have tried drafting more than one QB. He ended up signing the poster boy of drafting a backup QB in Cousins.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
I think we can throw Sam Bradford out of that mix. When you are a conference favorite and lose your starting quarterback to a catastrophic leg injury 10 days before the regular season starts...you do what you have to do, and Bradford was a good player for us until his knee gave out. There were no better options and holding that move as a negative against Spieman is ridiculous
Nope you cant make excuses why a pick was made or draft was made.
1. Rick was GM when Daniel Carlson was cut
2. Rick gave up too much for Bradford who ended up being wait for it …. injured and nit justifying all the picks.
This is what was said at the time
Quote:The Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and a fourth-round pick in 2018 that can become a third- or second-rounder based on conditions -- a massive price to pay for what could amount to one season of work.
Again i am not blaming Rick. i am just saying all GMs have good and bad moves.
It's not an excuse, but what was the alternative? What would you have preferred him to do in that situation?
Draft a backup rather than rely on Shaun Hill? Rick really could have tried drafting more than one QB. He ended up signing the poster boy of drafting a backup QB in Cousins.
One of my biggest gripes with Rick was he never took enough shots at QB in the draft. However the two backups that year were Hill and Taylor Heinike, who has shown to be a capable backup QB. The league is littered with Shaun Hill's and Heinike's and very few can sustain their starter being out for an extended period of time. I just don't think you can dump on Rick under the circumstances for the Bradford trade
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
I think we can throw Sam Bradford out of that mix. When you are a conference favorite and lose your starting quarterback to a catastrophic leg injury 10 days before the regular season starts...you do what you have to do, and Bradford was a good player for us until his knee gave out. There were no better options and holding that move as a negative against Spieman is ridiculous
Nope you cant make excuses why a pick was made or draft was made.
1. Rick was GM when Daniel Carlson was cut
2. Rick gave up too much for Bradford who ended up being wait for it …. injured and nit justifying all the picks.
This is what was said at the time
Quote:The Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and a fourth-round pick in 2018 that can become a third- or second-rounder based on conditions -- a massive price to pay for what could amount to one season of work.
Again i am not blaming Rick. i am just saying all GMs have good and bad moves.
It's not an excuse, but what was the alternative? What would you have preferred him to do in that situation?
Draft a backup rather than rely on Shaun Hill? Rick really could have tried drafting more than one QB. He ended up signing the poster boy of drafting a backup QB in Cousins.
One of my biggest gripes with Rick was he never took enough shots at QB in the draft. However the two backups that year were Hill and Taylor Heinike, who has shown to be a capable backup QB. The league is littered with Shaun Hill's and Heinike's and very few can sustain their starter being out for an extended period of time. I just don't think you can dump on Rick under the circumstances for the Bradford trade
I agree, I think at the time most fans were happy with the Bradford deal. Spielman didn't really have many options and with the team they had they needed a starting caliber QB.
Another thing about Bradford is he was considered during that time one of the most accurate quarterbacks with a strong arm. No mobility at all, but he could really sling the football.
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ greediron said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ mblack said:
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
I think we can throw Sam Bradford out of that mix. When you are a conference favorite and lose your starting quarterback to a catastrophic leg injury 10 days before the regular season starts...you do what you have to do, and Bradford was a good player for us until his knee gave out. There were no better options and holding that move as a negative against Spieman is ridiculous
Nope you cant make excuses why a pick was made or draft was made.
1. Rick was GM when Daniel Carlson was cut
2. Rick gave up too much for Bradford who ended up being wait for it …. injured and nit justifying all the picks.
This is what was said at the time
Quote:The Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and a fourth-round pick in 2018 that can become a third- or second-rounder based on conditions -- a massive price to pay for what could amount to one season of work.
Again i am not blaming Rick. i am just saying all GMs have good and bad moves.
It's not an excuse, but what was the alternative? What would you have preferred him to do in that situation?
Draft a backup rather than rely on Shaun Hill? Rick really could have tried drafting more than one QB. He ended up signing the poster boy of drafting a backup QB in Cousins.
One of my biggest gripes with Rick was he never took enough shots at QB in the draft. However the two backups that year were Hill and Taylor Heinike, who has shown to be a capable backup QB. The league is littered with Shaun Hill's and Heinike's and very few can sustain their starter being out for an extended period of time. I just don't think you can dump on Rick under the circumstances for the Bradford trade
I agree, I think at the time most fans were happy with the Bradford deal. Spielman didn't really have many options and with the team they had they needed a starting caliber QB.
I think the main reason most fans were somewhat ok with that deal was we felt the team was going to be special. The comp was very one-sided. Bradford came out in Game 1 and put on a show, that also helped big time. And then.....
Quote: @comet52 said:
I'd have tanked it and drafted Mahomes the next spring. When Ted went down with such a brutal injury my first thought was tank the season and draft his successor.
Now before anyone cries it would be impossible to pull that off, I have been told over and over around here what a great g.m. Rick was. Surely a great g.m. could have accomplished that, instead of giving up the farm for journeyman Sam Bradford and his bum knees, right?
Unfortunately, short-term short-sighted thinking helmed the Longship for many years, leading to so many missed opportunities on the personnel front. Maybe KAM is finally going to change that, we'll see.
Is that what you stated at the time or is that 20/20?
For instance, do you want us to tank this season for what should be a great QB class?
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ comet52 said:
I'd have tanked it and drafted Mahomes the next spring. When Ted went down with such a brutal injury my first thought was tank the season and draft his successor.
Now before anyone cries it would be impossible to pull that off, I have been told over and over around here what a great g.m. Rick was. Surely a great g.m. could have accomplished that, instead of giving up the farm for journeyman Sam Bradford and his bum knees, right?
Unfortunately, short-term short-sighted thinking helmed the Longship for many years, leading to so many missed opportunities on the personnel front. Maybe KAM is finally going to change that, we'll see.
Is that what you stated at the time or is that 20/20?
For instance, do you want us to tank this season for what should be a great QB class?
I don't think the Wilfs would ever allow a tank (even if it would be in the best interest of the franchise) henceforth the "competitive rebuild." Caleb Williams or Drake Maye would look pretty damn good in purple, but no chance of that happening. Wash, rinse, repeat...
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ comet52 said:
I'd have tanked it and drafted Mahomes the next spring. When Ted went down with such a brutal injury my first thought was tank the season and draft his successor.
Now before anyone cries it would be impossible to pull that off, I have been told over and over around here what a great g.m. Rick was. Surely a great g.m. could have accomplished that, instead of giving up the farm for journeyman Sam Bradford and his bum knees, right?
Unfortunately, short-term short-sighted thinking helmed the Longship for many years, leading to so many missed opportunities on the personnel front. Maybe KAM is finally going to change that, we'll see.
Is that what you stated at the time or is that 20/20?
For instance, do you want us to tank this season for what should be a great QB class?
If Kirk had a dislocated knee and was done for the year and probably his career, sure. And even without that scenario, I would have been fine if they'd taken that route. I want a QBOTF a lot more than I want to watch another 9-8 season with a one and done playoff loss.
And yes I stated it at the time but everyone was on the same kick as Rick - OMG we can't let this championship roster miss it's chance, let's find a QB, etc. Wasn't ever likely to work. I do remember the glowing Strib article about how he and Howie Roseman were such good friends that their families took vacations together in the offseason. Howie took his good friend for a ride that day.
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