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@ JimmyinSD said:
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You make it sound like improving from 31st to 20th is some unprecedented landmark achievement. That kind of improvement (and decline) is pretty standard in the NFL.
Bengals improved from 26th to 18th and went to the Super Bowl. Chiefs improved from 27th to 11th and went to the Super Bowl by increasing their pressure rate and becoming one of the most blitz happy teams in the NFL. Last year the Ravens improved from 25th to 9th. Sauce was a big factor, but the Jets improved their defense mostly by changing their defensive philosophy and went from 32nd to 4th. Point is, it happens quite a bit.
Those teams you mentioned invested in free agency and drafted to fix the problems on that side of the ball, so of course there are significant jumps in their defensive rankings. We didn't do any of that. We didn't sign a Trey Hendrickson in free agency, draft a Sauce Gardner or Geore Karlaftis. We went Dean Lowry. So while you paint a pretty picture, I don't see us improving significantly on defense.
That's nonsense. So you just conveniently leave out Marcus Davenport, PFF's #1 ranked free agent edge rusher, and Byron Murphy, a top 5 free agent corner, who was the only corner to shut down both Cooper Kupp and Davante Adams. Is it impossible for them to turn in good years and improve our defense a few slots? Or is that just impossible because for Team Woe Is Us the grass will always be greener in the other guy's yard? Will Brian Flores have no impact at all? The dark rain cloud you carry around every day because we hired Kwesi instead of the guy you wanted has got to get tiresome at some point.
I dont give a shit who the GM is... and I still dont see the rainbows and unicorns that you try and sell every offseason when TC rolls around. Its ok, people are allowed to see things differently.
It's rainbows to think that it's possible for the defense to improve from 31st to 21st? And the idea that, while we may not win as many games as last year (conceding regression to the mean), it could very well turn us into a more stable, reliable team, is unicorns?
Jimmy, you may not have Supa's agenda, but I'd bet cash-American you think you're the one being objective. Am I right? Trust me, you're not. You're habitually, neurotically negative. About every damn thing. You're very close to becoming a drinking game. :-)
I defended your position of a 10 spot improvement, but I dont think we are going to see that translated into more wins as I dont think the luck of last year is sustainable and on paper we have a tougher schedule this year.
Just beacuse I dont buy your annual rosy roster reviews doesn't make me negative, I just see to many holes to think they will be more than a game over 500 without a lot of luck like last year, with huge question marks on DL and the IOL, I'm just not seeing it with a weak LB group and an immobile QB.
Strength of schedule is a non-factor since teams are never the same from one year to the next. Still, Vikings ranked 20th last year and I've seen two rankings this year. 19th and 25th. Irrelevant if you ask me.
I think your biggest problem is a lack of perspective. Context with the rest of the NFL. We don't have any superstars on our DL. But how many 34s do you know of with superstars on the front line? The superstars are the OLBs. 0, 4 and 5 techs are just mudders. I bet if I listed the three players from each 34 in the NFL, you will have heard of about a third of them. The best 3-4 defense in the NFL last year was the Ravens. Their starting DL this year is Justin Madabuike, Micheal Pierce (remember him?) and Broderick Washington. Yeah...who?
Yes, the IOL needs to improve, but that's an all 1st and 2nd round group who is still pretty young. This is the first year they return together as a group. No one is expecting All Pro years, but just marginal improvement from those three could result in much easier time staying on the field.
As long as you bring up LBs....we don't have shit there either, best we have going is a guy that is more suited to be a 43 DE. I dont see anything positive except maybe your guy Asamoah , but word out of camp so far is he swaps good plays for bad quite frequently so thats not gonna help, and even then will he be able to hold up ?
Love Asamoah and the way he plays. He's going to make mistakes because he's young and he's learning a new scheme. This is part of why I firmly believe the Vikings will make a lot of big plays, both good and bad. Once he settles in though I think he's going to make us forget all about Kendricks. Well, at least the Kendricks we saw last year, who couldn't cover ME on a crosser. And don't underrate Davenport, who has more pressures than anyone in the league not named Myles Garrett. He has to stay healthy. They all do. But those pressures make blitzes more effective.
thats my concern, he is the same size as Kendricks, and I thought Kendricks got blocked to easy in run support and blitzes. If all we needed was a cover guy in the middle we could drop a safety in there and get even more athleticism, I know not all LBs are slobber knockers, but having that in your game is a plus when you are trying to jump into a gap and shed off an OL as you make a play at the LOS. I know its a passing league, but teams will still line up and run all over you to get you to drop a safety into the box which then frees up that deep passing game. I still say stop the run and make them try and beat you by going over the top, if you can do this without committing extra men into the box, thats a winning defensive strategy IMO, but that starts up front and then having the LBs that are stout enough and quick enough to make the plays that are there.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
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@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
You make it sound like improving from 31st to 20th is some unprecedented landmark achievement. That kind of improvement (and decline) is pretty standard in the NFL.
Bengals improved from 26th to 18th and went to the Super Bowl. Chiefs improved from 27th to 11th and went to the Super Bowl by increasing their pressure rate and becoming one of the most blitz happy teams in the NFL. Last year the Ravens improved from 25th to 9th. Sauce was a big factor, but the Jets improved their defense mostly by changing their defensive philosophy and went from 32nd to 4th. Point is, it happens quite a bit.
Those teams you mentioned invested in free agency and drafted to fix the problems on that side of the ball, so of course there are significant jumps in their defensive rankings. We didn't do any of that. We didn't sign a Trey Hendrickson in free agency, draft a Sauce Gardner or Geore Karlaftis. We went Dean Lowry. So while you paint a pretty picture, I don't see us improving significantly on defense.
That's nonsense. So you just conveniently leave out Marcus Davenport, PFF's #1 ranked free agent edge rusher, and Byron Murphy, a top 5 free agent corner, who was the only corner to shut down both Cooper Kupp and Davante Adams. Is it impossible for them to turn in good years and improve our defense a few slots? Or is that just impossible because for Team Woe Is Us the grass will always be greener in the other guy's yard? Will Brian Flores have no impact at all? The dark rain cloud you carry around every day because we hired Kwesi instead of the guy you wanted has got to get tiresome at some point.
I dont give a shit who the GM is... and I still dont see the rainbows and unicorns that you try and sell every offseason when TC rolls around. Its ok, people are allowed to see things differently.
It's rainbows to think that it's possible for the defense to improve from 31st to 21st? And the idea that, while we may not win as many games as last year (conceding regression to the mean), it could very well turn us into a more stable, reliable team, is unicorns?
Jimmy, you may not have Supa's agenda, but I'd bet cash-American you think you're the one being objective. Am I right? Trust me, you're not. You're habitually, neurotically negative. About every damn thing. You're very close to becoming a drinking game. :-)
lol, curmudgeon alert! I like to call Jimmy a red ass sometimes. Yes, he also thinks he's being objective in the political threads! :p
Lol, have you read your own shit?
lmao. Touche. But I'm downright Mr. Blue Sky compared to you about the Vikings....
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At times yes. But reality is this isn't close to one our better years starting a season in terms of roster strength, and we are facing a very strong schedule. As far as my outlook, its probably more of a self defense mechanism, I rarely am let down by this team, occasionally I am pleasantly surprised, but tempering my expectations is how I have learned to cope with the heartbreaks of the past.
There's really 2 kinds of fans: those looking for negative things to hang their hat on or those looking for positive things to get excited about. Its just a mindset. I trend toward more positive until I see otherwise, then I'm all-in on the criticism.
I see the positives, I even comment on them when there is something legit, I just dont hang my hat on them, honestly I dont hang my hat on much, even in my pessimism I look for reasons to be optimistic, but I dont buy hype as that is the worst kind of let down, your mind tells you something isnt adding up, you dont trust your mind and allow youself to get sucked in and then you get gut punched and your mind is up there reminding you that you are a chump.
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
You make it sound like improving from 31st to 20th is some unprecedented landmark achievement. That kind of improvement (and decline) is pretty standard in the NFL.
Bengals improved from 26th to 18th and went to the Super Bowl. Chiefs improved from 27th to 11th and went to the Super Bowl by increasing their pressure rate and becoming one of the most blitz happy teams in the NFL. Last year the Ravens improved from 25th to 9th. Sauce was a big factor, but the Jets improved their defense mostly by changing their defensive philosophy and went from 32nd to 4th. Point is, it happens quite a bit.
Those teams you mentioned invested in free agency and drafted to fix the problems on that side of the ball, so of course there are significant jumps in their defensive rankings. We didn't do any of that. We didn't sign a Trey Hendrickson in free agency, draft a Sauce Gardner or Geore Karlaftis. We went Dean Lowry. So while you paint a pretty picture, I don't see us improving significantly on defense.
That's nonsense. So you just conveniently leave out Marcus Davenport, PFF's #1 ranked free agent edge rusher, and Byron Murphy, a top 5 free agent corner, who was the only corner to shut down both Cooper Kupp and Davante Adams. Is it impossible for them to turn in good years and improve our defense a few slots? Or is that just impossible because for Team Woe Is Us the grass will always be greener in the other guy's yard? Will Brian Flores have no impact at all? The dark rain cloud you carry around every day because we hired Kwesi instead of the guy you wanted has got to get tiresome at some point.
I dont give a shit who the GM is... and I still dont see the rainbows and unicorns that you try and sell every offseason when TC rolls around. Its ok, people are allowed to see things differently.
It's rainbows to think that it's possible for the defense to improve from 31st to 21st? And the idea that, while we may not win as many games as last year (conceding regression to the mean), it could very well turn us into a more stable, reliable team, is unicorns?
Jimmy, you may not have Supa's agenda, but I'd bet cash-American you think you're the one being objective. Am I right? Trust me, you're not. You're habitually, neurotically negative. About every damn thing. You're very close to becoming a drinking game. :-)
lol, curmudgeon alert! I like to call Jimmy a red ass sometimes. Yes, he also thinks he's being objective in the political threads! :p
Lol, have you read your own shit?
lmao. Touche. But I'm downright Mr. Blue Sky compared to you about the Vikings....
At times yes. But reality is this isn't close to one our better years starting a season in terms of roster strength, and we are facing a very strong schedule. As far as my outlook, its probably more of a self defense mechanism, I rarely am let down by this team, occasionally I am pleasantly surprised, but tempering my expectations is how I have learned to cope with the heartbreaks of the past.
There's really 2 kinds of fans: those looking for negative things to hang their hat on or those looking for positive things to get excited about. Its just a mindset. I trend toward more positive until I see otherwise, then I'm all-in on the criticism.
I see the positives, I even comment on them when there is something legit, I just dont hang my hat on them, honestly I dont hang my hat on much, even in my pessimism I look for reasons to be optimistic, but I dont buy hype as that is the worst kind of let down, your mind tells you something isnt adding up, you dont trust your mind and allow youself to get sucked in and then you get gut punched and your mind is up there reminding you that you are a chump.
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
Is calling everyone "Eeyores" or the "Woe Is me" crowd to anyone who doesn't see Byron Murphy as the second coming of Charles Woodson, or Asamoah as Luke Kuechly reborn giving him away?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
You make it sound like improving from 31st to 20th is some unprecedented landmark achievement. That kind of improvement (and decline) is pretty standard in the NFL.
Bengals improved from 26th to 18th and went to the Super Bowl. Chiefs improved from 27th to 11th and went to the Super Bowl by increasing their pressure rate and becoming one of the most blitz happy teams in the NFL. Last year the Ravens improved from 25th to 9th. Sauce was a big factor, but the Jets improved their defense mostly by changing their defensive philosophy and went from 32nd to 4th. Point is, it happens quite a bit.
Those teams you mentioned invested in free agency and drafted to fix the problems on that side of the ball, so of course there are significant jumps in their defensive rankings. We didn't do any of that. We didn't sign a Trey Hendrickson in free agency, draft a Sauce Gardner or Geore Karlaftis. We went Dean Lowry. So while you paint a pretty picture, I don't see us improving significantly on defense.
That's nonsense. So you just conveniently leave out Marcus Davenport, PFF's #1 ranked free agent edge rusher, and Byron Murphy, a top 5 free agent corner, who was the only corner to shut down both Cooper Kupp and Davante Adams. Is it impossible for them to turn in good years and improve our defense a few slots? Or is that just impossible because for Team Woe Is Us the grass will always be greener in the other guy's yard? Will Brian Flores have no impact at all? The dark rain cloud you carry around every day because we hired Kwesi instead of the guy you wanted has got to get tiresome at some point.
I dont give a shit who the GM is... and I still dont see the rainbows and unicorns that you try and sell every offseason when TC rolls around. Its ok, people are allowed to see things differently.
It's rainbows to think that it's possible for the defense to improve from 31st to 21st? And the idea that, while we may not win as many games as last year (conceding regression to the mean), it could very well turn us into a more stable, reliable team, is unicorns?
Jimmy, you may not have Supa's agenda, but I'd bet cash-American you think you're the one being objective. Am I right? Trust me, you're not. You're habitually, neurotically negative. About every damn thing. You're very close to becoming a drinking game. :-)
lol, curmudgeon alert! I like to call Jimmy a red ass sometimes. Yes, he also thinks he's being objective in the political threads! :p
Lol, have you read your own shit?
lmao. Touche. But I'm downright Mr. Blue Sky compared to you about the Vikings....
At times yes. But reality is this isn't close to one our better years starting a season in terms of roster strength, and we are facing a very strong schedule. As far as my outlook, its probably more of a self defense mechanism, I rarely am let down by this team, occasionally I am pleasantly surprised, but tempering my expectations is how I have learned to cope with the heartbreaks of the past.
There's really 2 kinds of fans: those looking for negative things to hang their hat on or those looking for positive things to get excited about. Its just a mindset. I trend toward more positive until I see otherwise, then I'm all-in on the criticism.
I see the positives, I even comment on them when there is something legit, I just dont hang my hat on them, honestly I dont hang my hat on much, even in my pessimism I look for reasons to be optimistic, but I dont buy hype as that is the worst kind of let down, your mind tells you something isnt adding up, you dont trust your mind and allow youself to get sucked in and then you get gut punched and your mind is up there reminding you that you are a chump.
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Exactly right. This team last went to the Super Bowl the year I was born and I'm just exhausted from being good and not great without ever having a real shot at winning it all. I don't think the Wilfs are great football people despite being great owners and I don't believe the current course of hiring a completely outside the box GM with extremely limited football experience was a smart move and nothing about the "competitive rebuild" model has changed my mind on that. I see this as another failed flip that I don't have the patience for until we flip it again in 4 or 5 years when they figure out its not working. That's where the frustration lies and when I see questionable roster decisions, questionable draft picks, whack scheme changes, it just adds to fire.
We all want this team to win and will root for all the guys on the roster. That doesn't mean you don't look at things objectively and call a spade a spade.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Exactly right. This team last went to the Super Bowl the year I was born and I'm just exhausted from being good and not great without ever having a real shot at winning it all. I don't think the Wilfs are great football people despite being great owners and I don't believe the current course of hiring a completely outside the box GM with extremely limited football experience was a smart move and nothing about the "competitive rebuild" model has changed my mind on that. I see this as another failed flip that I don't have the patience for until we flip it again in 4 or 5 years when they figure out its not working. That's where the frustration lies and when I see questionable roster decisions, questionable draft picks, whack scheme changes, it just adds to fire.
We all want this team to win and will root for all the guys on the roster. That doesn't mean you don't look at things objectively and call a spade a spade.
Same here. I temper my expectations every offseason and I consider myself a realist and not a homer 
Our front 7 on Defense scares no one and with a crappy front 7 then our Corners and Safety's are going to look like crap. Snowball effect.
Have we done anything on the IOL? These were the same problems we have had for a few seasons now and I get a groundhog vibe. Our offense can continue to be Top 5 if they can remotely protect Kirk and with the best WR in the NFL. But how long can Kirk continue to take those hits?
Overall, I am not overly impressed by this whole offseason. I see a team in the 9-10 win range but that is why you play the games. I certainly didn't see or predict 13 wins last season.
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Fair enough, but I don't even agree with the bold. I think in today's NFL the dominant teams are the exceptions. The '85 Bears, the '89 49ers. The current KC squad and their ridiculous QB might qualify. But most of the others are just good teams who get hot and healthy at the right time. It's why I believe the Vikings are contenders. It's why I believe about half of NFL teams are contenders. It's also why I believe every team in the NFL is a key injury or addition away from a reversed fortune.
Can the Vikings, with the league's best offensive weapon, contend for a championship? Of course. We'll need a few other players to emerge. But can that be Addison? Murphy? Asamoah? Flores? Why not? They're not all big-ticket free agents and #1 picks. Cooper Kupp was Super Bowl MVP a couple years ago. Couple years before that, he was a 3rd round draft pick. Same as Asamoah.
Believe Jimmy. BELIEVE. B)
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Fair enough, but I don't even agree with the bold. I think in today's NFL the dominant teams are the exceptions. The '85 Bears, the '89 49ers. The current KC squad and their ridiculous QB might qualify. But most of the others are just good teams who get hot and healthy at the right time. It's why I believe the Vikings are contenders. It's why I believe about half of NFL teams are contenders. It's also why I believe every team in the NFL is a key injury or addition away from a reversed fortune.
Can the Vikings, with the league's best offensive weapon, contend for a championship? Of course. We'll need a few other players to emerge. But can that be Addison? Murphy? Asamoah? Flores? Why not? They're not all big-ticket free agents and #1 picks. Cooper Kupp was Super Bowl MVP a couple years ago. Couple years before that, he was a 3rd round draft pick. Same as Asamoah.
Believe Jimmy. BE LIEVE. B)
if we dont start winning the trenches, we wont be winning the Lombardi, we need to get better where it counts.... and then we wont need the leagues best offensive weapon or best cover corners... because our QB will have time for inferior route runners to get open and opposing teams QBs will be on their ass before their guys come free. This I believe in and this I believe should be our focus.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I suspected this was what was behind it. I guess I just don't take it that seriously. It's just a game. That we don't even play. Before he went nuts, Elon Musk once said "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right."
you dont take it seriously... I think we have plenty of proof on this board that you take it more seriously than you want to believe or in this case admit. a casual fan doesnt make thousands of posts a year ( year around ) on a team forum. nothing wrong with the way you do you, just not the way everyone approaches it.
But for me, it's just about quality of life. It's why I spend ridiculous amounts of money on Sunday ticket or to go to the Viking bar or to get 2nd row seats at USB. Win or lose, it's fun.
The gut punch that you talk about is just part of it. When I was a kid I cried when the Vikings lost the Miami and Pittsburgh Super Bowls. Now, it's more like when's the draft!!!?? Vikings could go 0-17 for the next 17 years and I'd still be on this board, or one like it, talking Vikings every day. I don't even care that much if we win a Super Bowl. I tend to think it would be a bit anti-climactic. IOW, it wouldn't improve my quality of life any more than one and done. It's a cliché, but it's about the journey, not the destination.
As far as the positivity goes, I think Viking fans, probably more than any other fan base, tend to see their team in a more negative light than the rest of the world. In fact, now that I think about it, there was a stat a few months ago about fan negativity on Twitter. Vikings finished first. Most of it is just not rational. It's not objective. So to those people, any shred of optimism is seen as wide-eyed homerism, when in fact it's almost certainly closer to reality.
its not reality unless your goal isnt to win a superbowl, if you truly dont care about team success then its understandable that you wouldnt understand the view points of those that have lived with this team with that goal. if you are honestly in this just for the entertainment aspect then OK, homer away, but if you were able to objectively look at this team and say is this team poised to compete at a superbowl level, or are they on a trajectory that puts them there in the near future... you might understand why some of us arent jumping up and down with purple pom poms... we still cheer for the team every sunday, but I think we have the right to question the team until the team proves otherwise. we have all seen dominance and we know that doesnt guarantee anything, but aside from a very very small handfull of over achievers, its one of those top teams each year that wins the lombardi, for me, I want to be able to say that we are one of those every year without blowing smoke up my own ass.
If you are happy with whatever you get, then I am envious of you and happy for you at the same time, I want more for my lifetime of heartbreaking seasons. honestly if the Vikings were more like those teams that are only relevant a couple times a decade, I think it would be easier, but nearly every year knowing that we are only a player or two away, damn that is exhausting.
Exactly right. This team last went to the Super Bowl the year I was born and I'm just exhausted from being good and not great without ever having a real shot at winning it all. I don't think the Wilfs are great football people despite being great owners and I don't believe the current course of hiring a completely outside the box GM with extremely limited football experience was a smart move and nothing about the "competitive rebuild" model has changed my mind on that. I see this as another failed flip that I don't have the patience for until we flip it again in 4 or 5 years when they figure out its not working. That's where the frustration lies and when I see questionable roster decisions, questionable draft picks, whack scheme changes, it just adds to fire.
We all want this team to win and will root for all the guys on the roster. That doesn't mean you don't look at things objectively and call a spade a spade.
I am in the same boat. I have never seen the Vikings play in a Super Bowl, just to get there would be fun for once. I still enjoy the seasons to a degree, have had season tickets etc. But the last 20 years have been pretty mediocre for my taste, outside of 2009, 2017, and last year if you will.
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