Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
This makes zero sense to me. He had an average salary for the spot and was a nice improvement when he came in. I just don’t get this one. I’m not sure on pressures but I think he only gave up like two sacks on the season. Have to wonder if they have their sights set on someone they need more cap for.
Kline was not a "great" IOL by any stretch, but he was, in terms of pass blocking anyway, our highest graded interior lineman last year (Elflein rated higher as a run blocker and can also play center). But here's the real head scratcher: Kline's cap number was $6M. $4.5 of that is dead. So you save only $1.5M by releasing him. Elflein's cap number is $2.4M with only .2 dead. Cap savings would've been nearly $2.2M. So I don't think this was about saving money.
This combined with the Diggs trade suggests to me the Vikings are going serious run heavy.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Losing Mac and Waynes and some are calling to trade Ant? I can't get on board with that.
We need those 2 competent S's after losing all that experience at probably all 3 corners.
I get what you're saying. BUT, We need A LOT right now. You get Bitonio, your line is mostly set. Sign a guy like Perriman, draft a WR or 2, and the offense is mostly good to go. Defensively, I don't even know where to start. Still would like to see Griff back, still need a good option at 3T, asides from Harry and Hughes the whole backfield needs help.
At this point, the draft is going to be HUGE for this team.
With Emmanuel Sanders previously playing, and having his two best seasons under Kubes, I think that's our vet WR.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
With Emmanuel Sanders previously playing, and having his two best seasons under Kubes, I think that's our vet WR.
I can dig that too. I like Perriman due to being possibly cheaper, younger, and more explosive. Draft a guy like Jefferson and that's a decent top 3 WR corps. This FA period is driving me bananas so far.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
This makes zero sense to me. He had an average salary for the spot and was a nice improvement when he came in. I just don’t get this one. I’m not sure on pressures but I think he only gave up like two sacks on the season. Have to wonder if they have their sights set on someone they need more cap for.
Kline was not a "great" IOL by any stretch, but he was, in terms of pass blocking anyway, our highest graded interior lineman last year (Elflein rated higher as a run blocker and can also play center). But here's the real head scratcher: Kline's cap number was $6M. $4.5 of that is dead. So you save only $1.5M by releasing him. Elflein's cap number is $2.4M with only .2 dead. Cap savings would've been nearly $2.2M. So I don't think this was about saving money.
This combined with the Diggs trade suggests to me the Vikings are going serious run heavy.
Could be dead cap planning for 2021? Thinking in this cap sitch they want to roll with Dozier or Samia.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
This makes zero sense to me. He had an average salary for the spot and was a nice improvement when he came in. I just don’t get this one. I’m not sure on pressures but I think he only gave up like two sacks on the season. Have to wonder if they have their sights set on someone they need more cap for.
Kline was not a "great" IOL by any stretch, but he was, in terms of pass blocking anyway, our highest graded interior lineman last year (Elflein rated higher as a run blocker and can also play center). But here's the real head scratcher: Kline's cap number was $6M. $4.5 of that is dead. So you save only $1.5M by releasing him. Elflein's cap number is $2.4M with only .2 dead. Cap savings would've been nearly $2.2M. So I don't think this was about saving money.
This combined with the Diggs trade suggests to me the Vikings are going serious run heavy.
Which makes me wonder why they need Cousins and his $30 million big ones?
I'm sorry, I watched every play Dozier was in like a hawk. Cuz he was my dark horse FA signing that I thought would surprise. He wasn't better or as good as Kline. Shit, he couldn't even displace Elf, likely the worst starting Guard in all of football.
The team is prepared to take a step back next year in order to maximize 2021. New Starter at RDE, new Starting 3T (likely a Rookie), new Starting Outside CBs (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), no current Slot CB even in the Roster, new Starting LG & RG (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), new Starting WR.
The team has enough money for what, 1 Tier 3 FA? Likely either Slot CB or WR or RG.
All Vowels, Hughes, Hill, Boyd, Watts, Samia and Bisi. 6 of those Players will either be Starters or it will be a Rookie in that spot. This team is so young they'll get carded at Rated R movies!
Young players make more mistakes than veterans, so there will be some growing pains next year in terms of blown assignments, poor eye discipline, missed blocks, etc. But they will also make some splash plays with their energy and athleticism. A couple of them will be busts.
We were staring at a swiftly closing window hoping for one more shot. The team decided that window had shut and is now retooling in order to open a new window. That's just the reality of it. And I'm fine with it.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
I'm sorry, I watched every play Dozier was in like a hawk. Cuz he was my dark horse FA signing that I thought would surprise. He wasn't better or as good as Kline. Shit, he couldn't even displace Elf, likely the worst starting Guard in all of football.
The team is prepared to take a step back next year in order to maximize 2021. New Starter at RDE, new Starting 3T (likely a Rookie), new Starting Outside CBs (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), no current Slot CB even in the Roster, new Starting LG & RG (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), new Starting WR.
The team has enough money for what, 1 Tier 3 FA? Likely either Slot CB or WR or RG.
All Vowels, Hughes, Hill, Boyd, Watts, Samia and Bisi. 6 of those Players will either be Starters or it will be a Rookie in that spot. This team is so young they'll get carded at Rated R movies!
Young players make more mistakes than veterans, so there will be some growing pains next year in terms of blown assignments, poor eye discipline, missed blocks, etc. But they will also make some splash plays with their energy and athleticism. A couple of them will be busts.
We were staring at a swiftly closing window hoping for one more shot. The team decided that window had shut and is now retooling in order to open a new window. That's just the reality of it. And I'm fine with it.
The Kline news tells me that the Vikings are very likely working on several other restructures. Never thought KLINE would be a part of that, but there are several other good candidates: Barr, Rudy, Reiff, Harry...
I sort of trust that if Kubiak is involved in some of these decisions, they may know what they're doing. Plus, we now have 5 picks in the top 105 to help fill some of those holes. And as good as this receiver class is, I think it would be a mistake to try to replace Diggs with one of them. Sign a veteran you know can start opposite Thielen. Won't be a Diggs talent, but in a run-first, last and only offense, he probably doesn't have to be.
Of course, there's now ZERO room for error. No doubt, Rick has been one of the NFL's best drafting GMs, but he's going to have to take it to a new level this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
I'm sorry, I watched every play Dozier was in like a hawk. Cuz he was my dark horse FA signing that I thought would surprise. He wasn't better or as good as Kline. Shit, he couldn't even displace Elf, likely the worst starting Guard in all of football.
The team is prepared to take a step back next year in order to maximize 2021. New Starter at RDE, new Starting 3T (likely a Rookie), new Starting Outside CBs (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), no current Slot CB even in the Roster, new Starting LG & RG (1 highly likely to be a Rookie), new Starting WR.
The team has enough money for what, 1 Tier 3 FA? Likely either Slot CB or WR or RG.
All Vowels, Hughes, Hill, Boyd, Watts, Samia and Bisi. 6 of those Players will either be Starters or it will be a Rookie in that spot. This team is so young they'll get carded at Rated R movies!
Young players make more mistakes than veterans, so there will be some growing pains next year in terms of blown assignments, poor eye discipline, missed blocks, etc. But they will also make some splash plays with their energy and athleticism. A couple of them will be busts.
We were staring at a swiftly closing window hoping for one more shot. The team decided that window had shut and is now retooling in order to open a new window. That's just the reality of it. And I'm fine with it.
The Kline news tells me that the Vikings are very likely working on several other restructures. Never thought KLINE would be a part of that, but there are several other good candidates: Barr, Rudy, Reiff, Harry...
I sort of trust that if Kubiak is involved in some of these decisions, they may know what they're doing. Plus, we now have 5 picks in the top 105 to help fill some of those holes. And as good as this receiver class is, I think it would be a mistake to try to replace Diggs with one of them. Sign a veteran you know can start opposite Thielen. Won't be a Diggs talent, but in a run-first, last and only offense, he probably doesn't have to be.
Of course, there's now ZERO room for error. No doubt, Rick has been one of the NFL's best drafting GMs, but he's going to have to take it to a new level this year.
I agree that I think Rick has done a really good job with his picks. I believe he also has a great supporting cast around him that helps.
Wasn't there some guy with a homer picture that always dumped on Rick? lol. Where the hell did he go
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
This makes zero sense to me. He had an average salary for the spot and was a nice improvement when he came in. I just don’t get this one. I’m not sure on pressures but I think he only gave up like two sacks on the season. Have to wonder if they have their sights set on someone they need more cap for.
Kline was not a "great" IOL by any stretch, but he was, in terms of pass blocking anyway, our highest graded interior lineman last year (Elflein rated higher as a run blocker and can also play center). But here's the real head scratcher: Kline's cap number was $6M. $4.5 of that is dead. So you save only $1.5M by releasing him. Elflein's cap number is $2.4M with only .2 dead. Cap savings would've been nearly $2.2M. So I don't think this was about saving money.
This combined with the Diggs trade suggests to me the Vikings are going serious run heavy.
I think you are absolutely right; they are going to run, run, run. And they got a run-stuffing NT because they think the rest of the league is going to be running teams, too. The next news will be a huge deal for Cook.
I'm SMH because this feels like going back to the plan Zimmer had when he arrived: depend on Peterson to carry the offense. But every time this team bets on being run-centric, the star RB gets injured and suddenly they are looking at their QB and WRs and saying, can we get a passing game going??
Maybe they are planning on Spielman pulling another 5th round Diggs miracle or two. But since 2011, Spielman has had the most day 3 (rounds 4-7) picks of any team in the NFL. (Not hyperbole, I dug through this last year.) How many good starting players has he found in those picks besides Diggs?
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