Quote: @Akvike said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea, I have heard more about this Smollet thing then the Coast Guard nut-job who was planning an attack. I also haven't seen much media on the Voting fraud that took place in North Carolina. The media does need to do a better job of reporting for sure!
The thing that kills me is Harris stating he's in favor of a new election after the inconsistencies and illegal behavior of his paid absentee election procurreer sp?
Hell yes he's in favor of a do-over (he's hoping they look the other way so he can go back to robbing the public teat.)
They need to keep digging and if they find evidence of knowledge of the crime the SOB should be banned for life to old office and surrender and future benefits. Should be multiple criminal charges for Harris, the paid guy (Mcrae???) and the political action consultant company Red Dome. This is voter fraud en masse not just an actor doing something stupid and he gets charges. No charges yet on the voter fraud scheme that many think has been going on for awhile.
How is what he did not considered an act of terrorism?
I'm not for charging him with that by any means - I'm a bit more compassionate in thinking that just dropping the charges and creating a more compassionate atmosphere is the right way out of this - I just don't see how it's not a form of terrorism. Who was the target of his action? What did he expect to come from his action? Am I supposed to believe, with the crime that supposedly took place, that he didn't intend or expect this to be all over the news? That's ridiculous.
The reaction from the "crime" was exactly what he was expecting. The national news attention - this is something that affected a lot of people on a personal level and attempted to drive a wedge through the divide between folks.
Quote: @Purple Haze said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
@ kahsmick said:
This is just another in a long run of recent staged Hate Crimes. Ever since they formed the KKK, Racism has been a successful wedge issue for Democrats to gain influence, power and control.
They arent just going to give up on trying to intimidate, and deceive the public just because normal people are ending these phony tropes with goodwill, jobs and common sense.
He will now be elevated to sainthood by The Left for Bravery and Feels - as is tradition.
Covington Kids are suing WaPo for $250 million for having their lives, school and reputations wrecked over absolutely nothing too.
Fake News Kills
Jesus, right-wing conspiracy much?
It may not be as much of a conspiracy as you think. Since Nov of 2016 there have been at least 19 fake hate crimes reported and investigated. The purpose of these crimes were to show how racist america has become under Trump. The thing is, up until Trump won the White House I cannot remember ANYTHING ever being reported about him being the racist homophobe that he is made out to be. This latest case is a perfect example of the conspiracy possibility. What was the most powerful part of this story as it was reported. "This is MAGA Country". He wanted people to believe is was a racist,redneck Trump supporter (because that is who ALL Trump supporters are you know) to make his attack more believable. He also could have pulled it off if this attack were to have taken place in say Texas or somewhere in the south. But he wanted everyone to believe it was MAGA rednecks that did it in Chicago where %83 of the people in Chicago voted for Hillary and have a super liberal mayor. The ward the attack took place voted 79% for Hillary. The wards surrounding the area voted 80%-93% Hillary. Not much room for MAGA country there. Is this a right wing consiracy ? Probobly not, but its hard to not think about it when you look back at past republican candidates and see how the democrats first line of attack is the politics of personal destruction. it doesnt matter if Trump never muttered a racist word before becoming president because social media and the looney left are making sure he is now the biggest racist to ever serve this country and our elected democrats sit back and reap the benefits of the phony accusations. Don't believe it, answer me this. How many democrats condemned and asked for the resignation of Robert Byrd from the U.S. Senate. Byrd was the Exulted Cyclops of the local KKK chapter in WV. This is one of his letters he wrote.
In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
Quote:I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
This is a man who served in the U.S. Senate for 51 years until he died there. Not only did democrats re elect him over and over and over again, they pushed him around the capitol grounds in his wheel chair to meetings and hearings. If the democrats were really the champions of ridding the world of racism the Byrd would have been kicked out of the Senate decades ago.
19 fake hate crimes since November 2016 in a country of 300 million.
Meanwhile real hate crimes went up 17% under Trump with more than 7000 hate crimes in 2017.
19 fake hate crimes vs. 15,000 actual hate crimes in the same time period.
Which ones do right wingers and Fox News push a narrative for? What Smollett did was ridiculous and heshould be punished for, but don't kid yourselves that there's some epidemic of fake hate crimes compared to the rise of real hate crimes under Trump.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ Purple Haze said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
@ kahsmick said:
This is just another in a long run of recent staged Hate Crimes. Ever since they formed the KKK, Racism has been a successful wedge issue for Democrats to gain influence, power and control.
They arent just going to give up on trying to intimidate, and deceive the public just because normal people are ending these phony tropes with goodwill, jobs and common sense.
He will now be elevated to sainthood by The Left for Bravery and Feels - as is tradition.
Covington Kids are suing WaPo for $250 million for having their lives, school and reputations wrecked over absolutely nothing too.
Fake News Kills
Jesus, right-wing conspiracy much?
It may not be as much of a conspiracy as you think. Since Nov of 2016 there have been at least 19 fake hate crimes reported and investigated. The purpose of these crimes were to show how racist america has become under Trump. The thing is, up until Trump won the White House I cannot remember ANYTHING ever being reported about him being the racist homophobe that he is made out to be. This latest case is a perfect example of the conspiracy possibility. What was the most powerful part of this story as it was reported. "This is MAGA Country". He wanted people to believe is was a racist,redneck Trump supporter (because that is who ALL Trump supporters are you know) to make his attack more believable. He also could have pulled it off if this attack were to have taken place in say Texas or somewhere in the south. But he wanted everyone to believe it was MAGA rednecks that did it in Chicago where %83 of the people in Chicago voted for Hillary and have a super liberal mayor. The ward the attack took place voted 79% for Hillary. The wards surrounding the area voted 80%-93% Hillary. Not much room for MAGA country there. Is this a right wing consiracy ? Probobly not, but its hard to not think about it when you look back at past republican candidates and see how the democrats first line of attack is the politics of personal destruction. it doesnt matter if Trump never muttered a racist word before becoming president because social media and the looney left are making sure he is now the biggest racist to ever serve this country and our elected democrats sit back and reap the benefits of the phony accusations. Don't believe it, answer me this. How many democrats condemned and asked for the resignation of Robert Byrd from the U.S. Senate. Byrd was the Exulted Cyclops of the local KKK chapter in WV. This is one of his letters he wrote.
In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
Quote:I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
This is a man who served in the U.S. Senate for 51 years until he died there. Not only did democrats re elect him over and over and over again, they pushed him around the capitol grounds in his wheel chair to meetings and hearings. If the democrats were really the champions of ridding the world of racism the Byrd would have been kicked out of the Senate decades ago.
19 fake hate crimes since November 2016 in a country of 300 million.
Meanwhile real hate crimes went up 17% under Trump with more than 7000 hate crimes in 2017.
19 fake hate crimes vs. 15,000 actual hate crimes in the same time period.
Which ones do right wingers and Fox News push a narrative for? What Smollett did was ridiculous and heshould be punished for, but don't kid yourselves that there's some epidemic of fake hate crimes compared to the rise of real hate crimes under Trump.
Are most of those hate crimes, the one you see on the internet. Like the gal who had eggs thrown at her for wearing a hat, or the ones where groups of people are attacking people with MAGA hats?
Or recently in Chicago wear those 4 kids beat up the white handicapped person?
Woman pleads guilty to hate crime in beating of disabled teen live on Facebook - Chicago Tribune
Man sentenced for hate crime in live-streamed beating of mentally disabled teen - CBS News
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Meanwhile real hate crimes went up 17% under Trump with more than 7000 hate crimes in 2017.
Both you and MB have mentioned "17%" as a remarkable number... so let's do a deeper dive into the numbers, shall we?
My source is the FBI statistics. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime
These years/numbers reflect 3 presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump)
The columns are 1) Year 2) Number of Law enforcement agencies reporting 3) Incidents 4) Offenses
2005 2037 7763 8373
2006 2105 7722 9080
2007 2025 7624 9006
2008 2145 7783 9186
2009 2034 6604 7789
2010 1949 6628 7699
2011 1944 6222 7254
2012 NA
2013 1826 5928 6933
2014 1666 5479 6418
2015 1742 5850 6885
2016 1776 6121 7321
2017 2040 7175 8437
2018 numbers are not posted yet.
Off the top.... yes... the '16 to '17 numbers seem quite the jump (increase). But not even 'highs', for the last 12 yrs.
Reason mag (hardly right-wing) seems to qualify >> https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/13/fbi-h...ease-trump
Let's look at some numbers via the data.
First off... as our population has increased (since '05) hate crimes(as a % of population) have decreased over time.
Second... Obama had an INCREASE of 6418 to 7321 (('14 to '16) of 12.5 %. AT THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY. Where was the consternation, then?
Third.... Trump's numbers are only slightly above Obama's "worst" years. (13.5%).
Fourth... If you look at total hate crime offenses/total population... in the last decade... we're BETTER than where we were in 2008.
(2008 9186 offenses/304.1 million people) = 0.0030%)
(2017 8437 offenses/325.7 million people) = 0.0026%)
And doesn't the 0.00whatever % give anyone pause that America is pretty damn tolerant? Whoever is POTUS?
@ SFVikeFan said: Quote:19 fake hate crimes vs. 15,000 actual hate crimes in the same time period.
Which ones do right wingers and Fox News push a narrative for?
lol.
Quote:
@savannahskol said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Meanwhile real hate crimes went up 17% under Trump with more than 7000 hate crimes in 2017.
Both you and MB have mentioned "17%" as a remarkable number... so let's do a deeper dive into the numbers, shall we?
My source is the FBI statistics. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime
These years/numbers reflect 3 presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump)
The columns are 1) Year 2) Number of Law enforcement agencies reporting 3) Incidents 4) Offenses
2005 2037 7763 8373
2006 2105 7722 9080
2007 2025 7624 9006
2008 2145 7783 9186
2009 2034 6604 7789
2010 1949 6628 7699
2011 1944 6222 7254
2012 NA
2013 1826 5928 6933
2014 1666 5479 6418
2015 1742 5850 6885
2016 1776 6121 7321
2017 2040 7175 8437
2018 numbers are not posted yet.
Off the top.... yes... the '16 to '17 numbers seem quite the jump (increase). But not even 'highs', for the last 12 yrs.
Reason mag (hardly right-wing) seems to qualify >> https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/13/fbi-h...ease-trump
Let's look at some numbers via the data.
First off... as our population has increased (since '05) hate crimes(as a % of population) have decreased over time.
Second... Obama had an INCREASE of 6418 to 7321 (('14 to '16) of 12.5 %. AT THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY. Where was the consternation, then?
Third.... Trump's numbers are only slightly above Obama's "worst" years. (13.5%).
Fourth... If you look at total hate crime offenses/total population... in the last decade... we're BETTER than where we were in 2008.
(2008 9186 offenses/304.1 million people) = 0.0030%)
(2017 8437 offenses/325.7 million people) = 0.0026%)
And doesn't the 0.00whatever % give anyone pause that America is pretty damn tolerant? Whoever is POTUS?
@ SFVikeFan
lol.
@savannahskol said:
Quote: @ SFVikeFan said:
Meanwhile real hate crimes went up 17% under Trump with more than 7000 hate crimes in 2017.
Both you and MB have mentioned "17%" as a remarkable number... so let's do a deeper dive into the numbers, shall we?
My source is the FBI statistics. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime
These years/numbers reflect 3 presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump)
The columns are 1) Year 2) Number of Law enforcement agencies reporting 3) Incidents 4) Offenses
2005 2037 7763 8373
2006 2105 7722 9080
2007 2025 7624 9006
2008 2145 7783 9186
2009 2034 6604 7789
2010 1949 6628 7699
2011 1944 6222 7254
2012 NA
2013 1826 5928 6933
2014 1666 5479 6418
2015 1742 5850 6885
2016 1776 6121 7321
2017 2040 7175 8437
2018 numbers are not posted yet.
Off the top.... yes... the '16 to '17 numbers seem quite the jump (increase). But not even 'highs', for the last 12 yrs.
Reason mag (hardly right-wing) seems to qualify >> https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/13/fbi-h...ease-trump
Let's look at some numbers via the data.
First off... as our population has increased (since '05) hate crimes(as a % of population) have decreased over time.
Second... Obama had an INCREASE of 6418 to 7321 (('14 to '16) of 12.5 %. AT THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY. Where was the consternation, then?
Third.... Trump's numbers are only slightly above Obama's "worst" years. (13.5%).
Fourth... If you look at total hate crime offenses/total population... in the last decade... we're BETTER than where we were in 2008.
(2008 9186 offenses/304.1 million people) = 0.0030%)
(2017 8437 offenses/325.7 million people) = 0.0026%)
And doesn't the 0.00whatever % give anyone pause that America is pretty damn tolerant? Whoever is POTUS?
@ SFVikeFan said: Quote:19 fake hate crimes vs. 15,000 actual hate crimes in the same time period.
Which ones do right wingers and Fox News push a narrative for?
lol.
Seems odd how the agencies reporting drops down pretty significantly during obama's terms in contrast to when it's a Republican.....do the crimes not take place in those areas when certain parties are in control or do those areas just not push their numbers up to the FBI when it makes certain parties look bad?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Seems odd how the agencies reporting drops down pretty significantly during obama's terms in contrast to when it's a Republican.....do the crimes not take place in those areas when certain parties are in control or do those areas just not push their numbers up to the FBI when it makes certain parties look bad?
Or is it that certain groups feel more empowered when the presidential candidate and then president is openly talking about assaulting protestors?
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Tough talk coming from someone who got out of military service for bone spurs.
I expanded on the table a little bit.
| Estimated # of Agencies Nationwide |
17985 |
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| Year |
# of Agencies |
# of Incidents |
# of Offenses |
# of Incidents per Agency |
# of Offenses per Agency |
Total Offenses Nationwide |
Population |
Offenses per 100K People |
| 2005 |
2037 |
7763 |
8373 |
3.81 |
4.11 |
73918.35 |
295,129,501 |
25.05 |
| 2006 |
2105 |
7722 |
9080 |
3.67 |
4.31 |
77515.35 |
297,831,879 |
26.03 |
| 2007 |
2025 |
7624 |
9006 |
3.76 |
4.45 |
80033.25 |
300,534,257 |
26.63 |
| 2008 |
2145 |
7783 |
9186 |
3.63 |
4.28 |
76975.80 |
303,236,635 |
25.38 |
| 2009 |
2034 |
6604 |
7789 |
3.25 |
3.83 |
68882.55 |
305,939,013 |
22.52 |
| 2010 |
1949 |
6628 |
7699 |
3.4 |
3.95 |
71040.75 |
308,641,391 |
23.02 |
| 2011 |
1944 |
6222 |
7254 |
3.2 |
3.73 |
67084.05 |
310,898,945 |
21.58 |
| 2012 |
NA |
NA |
NA |
NA |
NA |
NA |
313,156,499 |
NA |
| 2013 |
1826 |
5928 |
6933 |
3.25 |
3.80 |
68343.00 |
315,414,054 |
21.67 |
| 2014 |
1666 |
5479 |
6418 |
3.29 |
3.85 |
69242.25 |
317,671,608 |
21.8 |
| 2015 |
1742 |
5850 |
6885 |
3.36 |
3.95 |
71040.75 |
319,929,162 |
22.21 |
| 2016 |
1776 |
6121 |
7321 |
3.45 |
4.12 |
74098.20 |
322,179,605 |
23 |
| 2017 |
2040 |
7175 |
8437 |
3.52 |
4.14 |
74457.90 |
324,459,463 |
22.95 |
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Seems odd how the agencies reporting drops down pretty significantly during obama's terms in contrast to when it's a Republican.....do the crimes not take place in those areas when certain parties are in control or do those areas just not push their numbers up to the FBI when it makes certain parties look bad?
Or is it that certain groups feel more empowered when the presidential candidate and then president is openly talking about assaulting protestors?
Tough talk coming from someone who got out of military service for bone spurs.
So, what you're saying is: Obama is to blame for the huge increase in police officers being shot during his tenure?
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