Quote: @pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
You know, for people who are deathly afraid of Trump taking away their "free speech", you guys don't seem too afraid to bitch about him constantly.
What point are you trying to make? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that isn't really a "got ya" comment. Yeah, he's trying to silence people and we're calling bullshit. Your point?
Of course, I seem to remember it was "you guys" who said- about 20 years ago- that character didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was whether or not they "did their job".
I'll concede here, I suppose. Twenty years ago, I was twelve.
... ohhh, I see where you're going. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern behind his wife's back. Yeah, who cares. His fuck-up was doing a shitty job of lying about it. That was truly embarrassing. I LIKE the fact Trump fucks porn stars and marries models. I just wish his politics were more like (Bill) Clinton's. A little. Not all of Bill's politics have aged well, but he was a generally decent man... on paper at least. I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
Pumpf: you're the Christian here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you guys are about, but Trump's infidelities should be real red flags to you. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson (BIG Christian) excuses the murder of a journalist because it could jeopardize an arms deal. Leave it to Christians! You guys are always a hoot.
Well, Trump is still the same repugnant guy he was when I didn't vote for him... but there does seem to be alot of good things going on in the country.
Some. Thank President Obama for a lot of that. Like Donald with his father, he's riding Obama's coattails on a lot of it and taking credit. Oh, sure. I don't disagree he's sped things up some. But I like a little regulation if it means a slightly worse economy but our rivers aren't polluted. But I digress...
Meanwhile, the Democrats have (somehow) become even more repugnant than Trump.
No. You're wrong and you need to be told that more often. It won't help, but you need to hear it.
I'll end with this tonight. I actually think you're a genuinely good dude who'd do that whole shirt off your back thing for anybody of any color/religion/orientation regardless of what they've done. But it seriously fascinates me how you can be so wrong on so many things that are simply moral. Fleecing the taxpayer your entire life is bad. Hateful rhetoric on the media is bad. ... WHITE SUPREMACISTS are shit.
Perhaps that red hat truly is magic.
For the umpteenth time: I didn't vote for Trump... and I don't recall excusing anything that he's done. What I HAVE tried to do is point out the hypocrisy of those who suddenly think that character matters- when it never did before. I have no problem saying that Trump is NOT a good person. But- in my opinion- there ARE some good things going on in our country right now. Some are biased by my view of life... some seem pretty universally obvious. I just do not happen to give Obama credit for the relatively sudden turn-around of our economy. IF Obama was the cause, why did it take more than 8 years for his "plan" to kick in?
As for the Democrats- yes, what they've done is as (if not more) repugnant than the Donald. You and I won't agree on this: but since I believe that each unborn child is a unique human life (which science backs up), I cannot consider abortion as anything other than a modern-day holocaust. And the Democrats support it with all of their might.
You think the economy took 8 years to kick in under Obama???
LOL "relatively sudden turnaround"?? I assume you don't have a 401k or pay attention to the market because this is just plain ignorant and wrong. I suppose the unemployment went from 10% to 4.8% and stock market tripled the Dow from 6000 to 20,000 under someone else. If your 401k and investments didnt make huge gains under Obama you're either a liar or a moron who needs to fire your financial advisor.
FYI pumpf, Trump inherited a booming Obama economy, it didnt suddenly flip a switch in January 2017. 6 straight years of avg 174,000 jobs per month 2011-2016. And if you are truly following the market, then you will know what happened in January 2018:
January 23: Dow peaked at 26,210.
That same day Trump announced his first economic policies: the beginning of his tariffs on solar panels and washing machines, followed by steel and aluminum and added numerous other tariffs in his trade wars over the next 6 months. These were the first economic policies Trump made.
Dow Jones Friday: 25,444
Please, tell me again about this sudden turnaround. Any monkey can see the screeching brakes and the immediate results with Dow Jones flatlined and down 800 points for the last 9 months since a very stable genius de-railed a booming market he inherited from the previous guy. Trump team implementing moronic 18th century tariffs and trade wars that anyone who took Econ 101 in college could predict a clusterfuck coming Soybean market down 15%, $12 billion dollar bailout to farmers to offset their losses as a result from China cancelling soybean orders, now buying from South America. Steel and timber, construction costs up 15%. Interest rates raised to stave off inflation.
Not sure whether to laugh or cry at your economic wisdom of this "relatively sudden turnaround ".
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
You know, for people who are deathly afraid of Trump taking away their "free speech", you guys don't seem too afraid to bitch about him constantly.
What point are you trying to make? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that isn't really a "got ya" comment. Yeah, he's trying to silence people and we're calling bullshit. Your point?
Of course, I seem to remember it was "you guys" who said- about 20 years ago- that character didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was whether or not they "did their job".
I'll concede here, I suppose. Twenty years ago, I was twelve.
... ohhh, I see where you're going. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern behind his wife's back. Yeah, who cares. His fuck-up was doing a shitty job of lying about it. That was truly embarrassing. I LIKE the fact Trump fucks porn stars and marries models. I just wish his politics were more like (Bill) Clinton's. A little. Not all of Bill's politics have aged well, but he was a generally decent man... on paper at least. I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
Pumpf: you're the Christian here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you guys are about, but Trump's infidelities should be real red flags to you. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson (BIG Christian) excuses the murder of a journalist because it could jeopardize an arms deal. Leave it to Christians! You guys are always a hoot.
Well, Trump is still the same repugnant guy he was when I didn't vote for him... but there does seem to be alot of good things going on in the country.
Some. Thank President Obama for a lot of that. Like Donald with his father, he's riding Obama's coattails on a lot of it and taking credit. Oh, sure. I don't disagree he's sped things up some. But I like a little regulation if it means a slightly worse economy but our rivers aren't polluted. But I digress...
Meanwhile, the Democrats have (somehow) become even more repugnant than Trump.
No. You're wrong and you need to be told that more often. It won't help, but you need to hear it.
I'll end with this tonight. I actually think you're a genuinely good dude who'd do that whole shirt off your back thing for anybody of any color/religion/orientation regardless of what they've done. But it seriously fascinates me how you can be so wrong on so many things that are simply moral. Fleecing the taxpayer your entire life is bad. Hateful rhetoric on the media is bad. ... WHITE SUPREMACISTS are shit.
Perhaps that red hat truly is magic.
For the umpteenth time: I didn't vote for Trump... and I don't recall excusing anything that he's done. What I HAVE tried to do is point out the hypocrisy of those who suddenly think that character matters- when it never did before. I have no problem saying that Trump is NOT a good person. But- in my opinion- there ARE some good things going on in our country right now. Some are biased by my view of life... some seem pretty universally obvious. I just do not happen to give Obama credit for the relatively sudden turn-around of our economy. IF Obama was the cause, why did it take more than 8 years for his "plan" to kick in?
As for the Democrats- yes, what they've done is as (if not more) repugnant than the Donald. You and I won't agree on this: but since I believe that each unborn child is a unique human life (which science backs up), I cannot consider abortion as anything other than a modern-day holocaust. And the Democrats support it with all of their might.
Welp, this was a pointless discussion.
We won't agree. But I suppose that's fine. I've tried to remain tactful towards you, and I meant what I said about you being a good guy. But as far as your beliefs, you're not a true Christian. You're simply not. Read your book and think, "Am I living this way?"
There's a silver lining to this for both us of (at least for now): we don't live near one another. I live near like-minded people I mostly get along with and I guarantee you do too. Maybe it's time for Americans to realize we want different things? Nobody wants to have that discussion, but it's about time.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
I doubt a crazy insidious plot from Trump shaking hands with Putin, but it's obvious he was elected because of massive Russian interference. Sucks, but I* trust OUR FBI/CIA telling us that.
I personally think nationalism is an overrated idea (none of us can help where we're born), but since I'm here - with other people in 2018 - I'd hope we could all agree that an animal like Putin should be dethroned.
Nope. Let's defend our idiot who likes him for financial reasons.
EDIT *misspelling
oh hell no. i disagee. dethroning putain is none of our damn busisness. let the russians die figuring out who their leader should or shouldnt be. how many times do we have to do this and have it blow up in our face before we learn?
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
yup democrats = smart
everyone else = dumb
gotcha!!!!! fyi i havent watch 1 cumulative hour of ofx news in my life. but thanks for the lable.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
I doubt a crazy insidious plot from Trump shaking hands with Putin, but it's obvious he was elected because of massive Russian interference. Sucks, but I* trust OUR FBI/CIA telling us that.
I personally think nationalism is an overrated idea (none of us can help where we're born), but since I'm here - with other people in 2018 - I'd hope we could all agree that an animal like Putin should be dethroned.
Nope. Let's defend our idiot who likes him for financial reasons.
EDIT *misspelling
oh hell no. i disagee. dethroning putain is none of our damn busisness. let the russians die figuring out who their leader should or shouldnt be. how many times do we have to do this and have it blow up in our face before we learn? Why shouldn't Russians have better lives? They're just like us. Not to sound like some hippie f*g, but it should be everybody's business.
We're delving into a topic that's extremely complicated, but - as I said - nationalism is silly. We're all human beings regardless of our timezone.
EDIT: Like I said, I know I'm sound like a contrarian right now, but my biggest sin is sounding like an idealist. The older I get, the higher hopes I have for people in general. And I'm always disappointed.
<<< link. Unless you were a brave man who fought for freedom during a World War... take this bit seriously.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
yup democrats = smart
everyone else = dumb
gotcha!!!!! fyi i havent watch 1 cumulative hour of ofx news in my life. but thanks for the lable.
Not saying you're dumb but you are incredibly misinformed. You're the one who thinks the dossier started the surveillance, not me, which is just flat out wrong. You're the one who thinks Russians had nothing to do with election meddling, that there's no proof despite the grand jury indictments on dozens of Russian operatives, and you think a dozen US intelligence agencies who concluded Russians were involved are all biased and in on some conspiracy. All of which is bullshit, so sorry if the truth hurts.
Like I have always maintained, our biggest issue in this country is the divisions in our understanding of what is fact vs. what is conspiracy theory. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see which category you fall into.
Misinformed? Definitely. Gullible? Maybe. Dumb? I couldn't say, because a lot of smart people have been snookered into this conspiracy theory GOP fantasy land of alternative reality where they simply don't know or accept the facts of what's happening. And again, this how the Nazis were wildly successful in the 1930s while you thought it was funny, you continue to prove my point of how effective propaganda is.
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@ Bezerker88 said:
@ KingBash said:
@ Bezerker88 said:
I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
So tired of this claim. Trump's an ass and makes fun of people that he disagrees with. All people. If anything he treated that disabled reporter just like a person without a disability. Here a video backing this claim. It shows him mocking people while moving his arms around. It's his MO. He did not just move his arms around to single out the disabled reporter. If you can't admit that then you're ignoring facts just to argue. He mocked him yes, he did not mock his disability. People with disabilities want to treated like people without and that's what Trump did or are you and yours claiming that people with disabilities shouldn't be treated equal?
I could go on about the Clinton vs Trump affairs and which party "changed their opinion on things"(hint, they both did) or Dems calling for violence and violence actually happening, but why bother... So please continue the rants in this thread about how repugnant somethings are while completely ignoring the post about two GOP candidates getting physically attacked in Minnesota in the "Trump hates free speech" thread, because that doesn't fall into the "Dems are SO much better than the Reps" group think here.
Enjoy the game.
Okay. I'll admit I hadn't seen that. It DOES look like he makes that motion a lot and - perhaps - wasn't singling out that reporter. Perhaps.
That's great you took the time to defend him. He's still - as you admit - an ass. Luckily you're here to clear up the important stuff.
Care to take a gander at everything else in the thread that he's done wrong and enlighten myself and others as to how we're incorrectly interpreting it?
You guys are all able to look things up if you actually wanted to expand your(collective not just you) minds and look into things instead of just parroting whatever you've been told. But most are comfortable in just believing what they want to and picking one side vs the other. I do appreciate that you took the time to reply with a "perhaps" response... but no, I'm not going thru this thread to defend Trump.
Besides it would just be ignored and/or attacked by most... so once again, why bother?
Enjoy the game
Because most of the time, there's no excuse for anything he says or does. That's why you won't bother (and it's game day, sure). Siding with the Saudis, with Putin, disparaging our CIA/FBI... the list could literally never end. THAT stuff you have nothing to retort with.
SKOL
I already gave my reason for not doing the homework for the people here and even THAT is "attacked" and I'm TOLD my reason. Too funny.
But think for minute... You yourself, said that you hadn't seen that video of Trump mocking others before... Why would that be? If CNN/MSNBC and the rest of the MSM are journalist and report things accurately... why wouldn't they show a clip to present both sides of an issue? Why only report that Trump attacks a disabled reporter? Why the HUGE numbers of negative to positive stories about the President? One reason people freak out about Trump "attacking" the press is because they know it's part of controlling the people... because they already use it that way and they do not want Trump pointing it out. Just like some career REPs didn't want Trump playing in THEIR sandbox, the people that control the media don't want him in theirs either. This is from 2017, but I doubt the treatment has changed.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage-of-trump-more-negative-than-for-other-presidents
Obama laid the ground work on how to control the media and no one on the left complained about or reported it. Actually if you did, you lost your job, look up what happened to Sharyl Attkisson, and her reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html
Wait... I know you don't like to type things into Google yourself so here is a sample of her reporting, long read but worth it.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/10/06/collusion-against-trump-timeline/
Her Tedtalk on "Fake News" is a must view.
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Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
It's one thing if your son gives his disabled friends crap just like his other friends over something like an ugly shirt that he could change, but it's another thing if your son is mocking his disabled friends for their disabilities, which they can't help. I sincerely hope you understand the difference, and yet none of this justifies or absolves our President from acting like a teenage bully, does it? Shouldn't a President be a tad more "presidential" or mature than this, or is the bar just set that low in your world view?
And I'm not sure what abhorrent behavior by Democrats I'm supposed to be outraged by. Because I don't equate being uncivil with celebrating assault of journalists and violence against people I disagree with? Or do you mean Antifa? They are turds, but they have no political affiliation and no ties to Democrats or liberals, they are simply anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But you know what we called the people who fought against fascists and white supremacists 70 years ago? WWII veterans.
Enjoy the game.
Hmmmm... Keith Ellison holds what position in the Democratic Party again? Isn't he the second in command within the DNC?
Edit - cannot get the twitter post of him holding the Antifa handbook to post here so I'll just post this article that has a link to it... in it.
https://www.thetrumpet.com/16774-leading...rts-antifa
Antifa is known for this chant - "No Trump, No Wall, No USA at all." Sounds more than just anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But please keep defending these losers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ech9BYFE4k4
Veterans? Antifa doesn't like them much....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV9C36zPAk
Antifa is shit and wants the USA to end. Fuck them.
Quote: @Bezerker88 said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
It's one thing if your son gives his disabled friends crap just like his other friends over something like an ugly shirt that he could change, but it's another thing if your son is mocking his disabled friends for their disabilities, which they can't help. I sincerely hope you understand the difference, and yet none of this justifies or absolves our President from acting like a teenage bully, does it? Shouldn't a President be a tad more "presidential" or mature than this, or is the bar just set that low in your world view?
And I'm not sure what abhorrent behavior by Democrats I'm supposed to be outraged by. Because I don't equate being uncivil with celebrating assault of journalists and violence against people I disagree with? Or do you mean Antifa? They are turds, but they have no political affiliation and no ties to Democrats or liberals, they are simply anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But you know what we called the people who fought against fascists and white supremacists 70 years ago? WWII veterans.
Enjoy the game.
Hmmmm... Keith Ellison holds what position in the Democratic Party again? Isn't he the second in command within the DNC?
Edit - cannot get the twitter post of him holding the Antifa handbook to post here so I'll just post this article that has a link to it... in it.
https://www.thetrumpet.com/16774-leading-democratic-congressman-supports-antifa
Antifa is known for this chant - "No Trump, No Wall, No USA at all." Sounds more than just anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But please keep defending these losers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ech9BYFE4k4
Veterans? Antifa doesn't like them much....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV9C36zPAk
Antifa is shit and wants the USA to end. Fuck them.
Okay.
Trump made up a lie about the caravan saying Middle Easterners (terrorists) were invading.
There's no proof, he made it up to scare/rile up stupid people.
Antifa is a group of shitheads, but they're not on the verge of taking over our government completely by 2020. Fuck Antifa, fine. But fuck Trump.
(Might be wise to let this thread die. It served it's purpose.)
EDIT:
Link to CNN
SUSPICIOUS PACKAGES SENT TO OBAMAS, CLINTONS AND CNN OFFICES IN NEW YORK
Yes, I'm sure antifa is behind this. Not a bunch of psychotic Trump supporters. After all, he's been spood-feeding them all this shit since the election basically.
We have a "nationalist" asshole running the country and idiots defending this behavior. Stop it.
That's the first Dem I have seen support Antifa. I don't like them either, I don't know any Dem supporter or liberal that likes them other than the fact they are willing to fight the Neo Nazis marching in the streets. Most of them are anarchists - they don't believe in a government which is why they aren't Dems. Stop putting everyone who doesn't like Trump into 1 box and a black and white world. It's not. A ton of people hate Trump, doesn't mean they're all liberals or Dems. You can't seem to grasp the fact that everyone who isn't GOP hates the man.
Oh, you mean there's a lot of negative articles about Trump ... gee I wonder why. The mean old press, doing its job reporting on the embarrassing, horrible shit he does and says on a daily basis. Trump can't make it a week without doing something moronic or saying something horrible or fabricate a complete lie aimed to rile up his base and divide the country and the entire world further. Don't even compare Obama to the monster in the WH. Obama never spewed the amount of or the level of dangerous lies Trump has, Obama never attacked the press or Fox News the way Trump has with CNN, Obama never attacked Republicans, or our allies like Trump has. Look at the Trump rallies ... you spew enough venom to get people in a fever pitch to HATE the press and the other political party and look what happens - Trump has spent 2 years fanning the flames to encourage this terrorism. It's fucking sick and out of control and because it's your team on the attack none of you seem to care because you all circle around to the Dems saying something or doing something that you feel is bad too. Jesus what a mentality. Didn't mom teach you two wrongs don't make a right?
Do you not find it odd the only people Trump won't attack are Putin, North Korea and the Saudis?
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