Quote: @medaille said:
I pick Bridgewater. I
don’t think any of these guys is the currently the complete package that anyone
is hoping for, so I pick Bridgewater because I’m comfortable with his floor and
excited about his potential. He’s the
most likely to become a great QB. He’s
accurate across the vast majority of the field (Higher completion % than
Bradford over their careers). He’s got
the it factor that I think is essential for good QBs. I think his only drawbacks are his deep out
accuracy (which I think he’ll have fixed through hard work, and is probably
already fixed in practice at least) and his knee.
Cousins is the lowest risk, highest cost. I think you’re ultimately paying for his
durability and good production. I
struggle with Cousins because I don’t see the flashes of greatness
anywhere. I’m not sure how he gets his
numbers. I’m not sure if he has the it
factor. I’m not sure his production
leads to wins or is he another goodish QB whose team always ends up around 8-8.
Keenum and Bradford are a tie for me. I think they are polar opposites in terms of
style. Keenum is mobile and has the it
factor. I worry about his accuracy and
decision making. If he’s even marginally
closer to his career history for ints, the season looks way different. He played well this year, but I can’t help
but think that his style clashes with what Zimmer wants in a QB. Bradford makes good decisions but I don’t
think he’s a winner or has that it factor.
I think he’d be a cheaper Cousins if he plays the whole year, but it’s
hard to ignore that he’s been injured for almost half his career.
I should also point out that I trust this team to be playoff good with any of the aforementioned teams.
I cannot figure out why people are down on Cousins and question how he was able to still put up big numbers.
He lost DeSean Jackson & Pierre Garcon last year. Terrelle Pryor was a complete flop. Josh Doctson was not much of a factor either. Jordan Reed was oft injured again. That left him with Jamison Crowder, Ryan Grant, Vernon Davis, Chris Thompson, and then a multitude of others. Their leading rusher was Samaje Perine with 603 yards (3.4 ypc).
He had to spread the ball around and he did it very well in only his 3rd season starting.
I mean, when you look at his career the last 3 years were his first 3 years starting. He is not a finished product and there is no reason he should not get better.
His 94 TDs and 47 turnovers in the last 3 years is top 6 in the NFL for QBs. Yet people complain like he is doing something unusual when it comes to turnovers.
The Vikings do not have that kind of production (94 TDs) from the QB position the last 3 years that is for dang sure.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ pumpf said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Be nice if the OP made this a real-world poll vs fantasy...
50% of that poll are unknowns with BIG questions on Bridgewater and Bradford (at least from a fans perspective, maybe coaches know more)
So that leaves Cousins or Case...Dont see Case having to settle for moderate, guaranteed $, so where does that leave our team?
The issue I have with Case is the contract. I don't disagree with him or his agent if they are shopping for a 3 year big money deal ($18+M per year), this business is about utilizing leverage. From how the Vikings have played the situation thus far its hard to see them locking themselves into Case until they can see him repeat what he did in 2017. That gives you two options the franchise tag & transition tag. The franchise tag will be roughly $23.5M and it simply assures the Vikings that Case is their QB entering 2018. The transition tag would save them roughly $2M (20.5M) but allows them to scour the market for other options before fully committing to Case. The risk is that another team could offer him a deal the Vikings do not want to match.
Ultimately I think this will become a game of musical chairs. The Vikings should and will most likely transition tag case for $20.5M heading into the off-season. I'd find it unlikely his camp will sign the tag in hopes of finding a more long-term deal. That gives the Vikings a chance to explore the market for Cousins, Taylor, etc... Ultimately Kirk seems likely to land in either Denver or Minnesota. He should be the first domino to fall. After that domino falls the Vikings can either renounce the transition tag or work out a deal with Case before another team offers him a deal the Vikings do not want to match. Its a risky choice to make, but committing to Case without exploring your other options is just as risky in my opinion.
Where does Teddy fit in the above scenario? (And forgive me if you've already answered that question elsewhere)
Its tough to say because Bridgewater's preference will become a factor. The Vikings would probably love to have him back, but they won't name him the starter. Will another team make him the incumbent going into camp? Hard to say. But if one did he probably would gravitate in that direction. If other teams are offering him backup contracts his best bet may be to stay in MN due to their continued commitment to him. Ultimately the Vikings aren't going to tag him so he can do whatever he wants. The wildcard is if his contract tolls. That would tie him at the hip to the Vikings.
I think this is a deal-breaker for Bridgwater if his contract doesn't toll. I think he'd go elsewhere with a chance to be incumbent vs stay here and not be QB1 from the get go...
Such a complex issue, ugh.
I think barring a deal for Cousins, Teddy enters the season as the presumptive starter at the top of the depth chart, but like any other year or player it's up to him to keep it through camp, preseason, and the regular season. I think any other QB that signs will be clear that they are competing for the job and Teddy would be clear that there is always somebody looking to outplay you. He has been in the system the whole time and practicing for nearly a year when camp starts next season.
I think it's become pretty clear they like what they saw in practice, the whole staff/FO like his potential so it comes down to what the real story is behind his knee and recovery.
To add to that thought. If they REALLY like what they see in both Sloter and Teddy why would they enter into any kind of cost or term prohibitive deal with a FA? They would just tie their hands on those two in the coming years. I think a vet that could compete or a 2nd/3rd day rookie is the most likely scenario if Teddy sticks around.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
I think barring a deal for Cousins, Teddy enters the season as the presumptive starter at the top of the depth chart, but like any other year or player it's up to him to keep it through camp, preseason, and the regular season. I think any other QB that signs will be clear that they are competing for the job and Teddy would be clear that there is always somebody looking to outplay you. He has been in the system the whole time and practicing for nearly a year when camp starts next season.
I think it's become pretty clear they like what they saw in practice, the whole staff/FO like his potential so it comes down to what the real story is behind his knee and recovery.
I tend to agree, I think they will look hard at cousins, but ultimately i think the price will be out of line for the production with the warts and if they arent willing to spend 27-30 on cousins, i have a hard time seeing them chase Case over the 20 million dollar figure, he just isnt worth that much money based on 1 year that clearly outshines his previous efforts.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
The first two are BIG IFs!
Ok so a couple of big ifs, a whiff and a sniff but hopefully not a stiff. Seriously though, it's a big decision but I think they've got this.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
The first two are BIG IFs!
Ok so a couple of big ifs, a whiff and a sniff but hopefully not a stiff. Seriously though, it's a big decision but I think they've got this.
I definitely defer to whatever thy decide regardless of my opinion. They just have waaaay more information and I'm pretty confident they are running this team with the long view and desire to compete year after year.
The 2 things that bother me the most is. We have no idea on what for shape Sams knee is in.
Nor do we know exactly where Teddy is with his knee. We can speculate all we want, but
as Nodak mentioned...only the medical staff and front office no what their status is.
I choo-choo-choose Kirk! That kind of production rarely hits the market. Snyder is an idiot or Cousins never would have.
Teddy came off pup list after what week 6 I Think?yet he was not on the active playoff roster for a guy who just started practicing a couple weeks before the playoffs.That should speak loud and clear what the plan is with Teddy.This is my personal opinion but no way Teddy is opening day starter.I think Zimmer knows that he is a quality backup at best.
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