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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
Annnnd there's the side step and deflect..about what I expected. Thank you for your contributions
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
Annnnd there's the side step and deflect..about what I expected. Thank you for your contributions
Who's deflecting? What about the competitive rebuild didn't work? The shitload of injuries? I still don't get that part.
I've said ad nauseam my point and all you keep saying is 'we should consider trading JJ'. Its an opinion for sure, but its not a good one. It makes no sense. I mean go review my points if it hasn't sunk in. Look at other like minded replies. The logic is there. I understand your point, you want to do whatever it takes to get the #2 or #3 QB in the Draft. Including trading JJ but not giving up draft picks? It's weird.
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL. Who's deflecting? What about the competitive rebuild didn't work? The shitload of injuries? I still don't get that part.
I've said ad nauseam my point and all you keep saying is 'we should consider trading JJ'. Its an opinion for sure, but its not a good one. It makes no sense. I mean go review my points if it hasn't sunk in. Look at other like minded replies. The logic is there. I understand your point, you want to do whatever it takes to get the #2 or #3 QB in the Draft. Including trading JJ but not giving up draft picks? It's weird.
Look at the other teams in the division that have realistically looked at their rosters, made wise assessments, and have traded away pieces for draft capital to rebuild their rosters. EVERY other team in the division has done that. So again tell me how the competitive rebuild, and holding on to tradable commodities has worked out for us?
And I get not wanting to trade our best player, but when you don't have a quarterback, having the best receiver doesn't mean much We've had elite skill position pieces before that hasn't mattered because we didn't have a quarterback good enough to realistically compete. We are in a terrible position currently without a quarterback, and without the ammo to move up or these other awful teams just not wanting to trade their picks at any cost. So what's the alternative? I guess we can always take a swing at Nix or Penix, but I get the feeling the Vikings have them much lower as prospects than those top 3 guys. McCarthy...who knows. If they are sold on Maye, than they should do whatever they can to secure him, including trading Jefferson..
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.
Which were all moves I was dubious of and right about. Now they are again trying to sell us on our free agent additions THIS year being upgrades and that there's "no way" we will have a top 5 to 10 pick next season, well because...Sam Darnold and such, lol. Some people will eternally see this organization through purple colored lenses with every move being the "right move" or moving us in the right direction when in reality we are an organization off the tracks and looking up in the division. We all hope for the best, but a little objectivity goes a long ways
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From GBN
Rumor du jour: Vikes, Pats close to swapping picks … Just a quick follow-up to yesterday’s story on the growing buzz surrounding Minnesota’s attempt to move up in the draft from the 11th pick overall to a position where they could get one of this year’s top QBs after acquiring an extra 1st from Houston, but there was a palpable buzz earlier today that the Vikings are ‘close’ to a deal with New England in which Minnesota would get the 3rd pick overall, presumably where they would select North Carolina QB Drake Maye, in exchange for a monster package of picks that could include the Vikings two first rounders this year and their #1 in
2025.
So this is what I was referencing. Everybody good giving up this kind of picks package to move up? Also considering that the 2025 pick may very well be a top 5 or top 10 pick
Yep. It beats the shit out of giving up JJ in a trade. These are unknown quantities.....draft picks that get squandered every single year by most teams. You trade JJ and then you'll need to draft a WRer because it'll be a need pick, how dumb is that? Minnesota won't be drafting top 5 next year, lets not get dramatic.
You said you need to swing for the fences to get a 'franchise QB'....this is how you do it. Its not about being ok with it as a fan, its just what has to happen if you want a top tier potential rookie QB. Its a big risk. Nobody's going to deny that. I'm still not convinced however that Minnesota is looking to move up that far.
I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.
Sigh. Ok. lol. All good.
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I just think you have to be careful how you allocate that draft haul in a trade. Ask the Panthers, who also thought it was dramatic to think they'd be drafting in the top 5 again in 2024. It happens, especially with a rookie QB. You give up that haul, you essentially are going to have a one player draft the next two seasons. If that player turns out to be Andrew Luck, great, if not....you are in deep deep doodoo.
Panther's and Viking's rosters are two very different things. And we aren't starting a rookie QB....guaranteed that isn't KOC's plan. Would a highly drafted rookie start a few games at the end of the year if Minnesota isn't in sniffing range of the playoffs? Sure. Just wondering how you'd feel to watch JJ light it up for another team and do what he does and then see the rookie QB tank? Its just not going to happen, trading JJ. And it shouldn't. Its much better to trade up using draft picks.
So you think starting Darnold all year would save us from a top 5 pick? Riiiight. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
The Vikings have spent a bunch of money on defensive free agents, they have Jones, JJ, Addison, Hock, 2 excellent OTs and Darnold won 7 games starting 13 games in 2019 with a garbage NY Jets team. He can't win 6 games this year in Minnesota? Please.
Who knows what will happen, of course. What I DO know isn't going to happen is trade the 24 year old best WRer in the NFL to move up for an unknown rookie QB.
Annnnnd you consider the defense to be upgraded from the personnel we lost? Where specifically have we upgraded? To me you have a bunch of lateral type moves, that while it makes us younger, we aren't necessarily better.
Who knows when Hockenson is coming back. Might be mid-season or later.
Right now we are squarely team 4 in the division. If you can't see that and think Darnold, who has proven only one thing and that's that he throws a shit ton of INT's, is going to lead us to wins...than I couldn't disagree more. That pick in 2025 could easily be a top 5 to 10 pick. We miss on QB and strip us of our next two drafts compounded with the disaster that was the 2022 draft, this team is going to be hurting and it really won't matter if we have the best receiver in the NFL.
Dude, you've been complaining about this team non-stop. You and CFIA must be overeaters.....because you guys endlessly shit on everything.
You said a Top 5 pick....now you are backtracking and saying Top 10. I just started a thread yesterday saying we need to hit on a rookie QB to keep up with the NFCN, so don't paint me pollyanna. If you can't see that trading JJ to get up to the #2 or #3 rated QB is foolish, not sure what to tell you.
Lol settle down dude (and you never answered my question about upgrades). You and Maroon are the same fluffers last season pumping Kwesi on Josh Oliver, any Rams cast-off, Davenport, etc. So I'm just calling it like I see it. If there's something to get excited about, let me know...
And I don't care if it's a top 5 pick or top 10 pick. I would not be a fan of giving away either while scrambling to move up for a QB and perhaps we should consider alternate methods of taking that swing, including the trading of our star receiver and his strange contract situation. Not likely to happen, but we need a QB and all options should be considered after Kirk left.
Yes, oh so wise. Thanks for that keen revisionist history, lol. Always so interesting how you leave out all the injuries, including the starting QB. And still almost made the playoffs.
Keep the wisdom flowing, Yoda!
In fairness to Supa I think you and Maroon were pretty confident we'd be good last year, were pretty confident in Mattison (sup Jimmy!) and pretty confident we'd re-sign Kirk.
I've been wrong about a million things over the years-- I wanted Manziel, I was smitten with Dobbs lol-- it's all fun. Razzing each other on it is what we're all here for. And for that glorious day when the Vikings are kings of the league, of course.
LOL. We were good last year. Kirk stays healthy, this team competes with the Lions and the 49ers for the conference. Does everyone just conveniently forget that we lost our starting QB after beating the 49ers and Packers and were forced to start three different QBs? And STILL were in playoff contention up until the final week.
As far as Mattison goes, I thought moving on from Dalvin was the right thing to do and going to a committee with Mattison and Chandler could be competent. I've been saying for two years that Chandler was our best back. I did not think Mattison would be our de facto RB1 like he was for most of the season.
I was obviously wrong about Asamoah. He appears to be an ill-fit with Flores. Or he might just be an idiot. But what I was most wrong about were when I UNDER-estimated this team. I was hoping Bflo would improve our defense from 31 to roughly 18 to 22. I was not expecting the level of improvement we saw. I also thought Addison would give us about 5 TDs. He doubled that.
But you're right, I did say crazy-optimistic things like Ingram would improve his 2nd season and our line would benefit from the continuity of having all five return for the first time in a decade and that Hunter would have a career year in a contract season. Goggles I guess. I did think we'd resign Cousins...until Atlanta emerged.
Here's my prediction for '24. Sam Darnold will have his best season as a pro and we will not be picking in the top 10 in '25. If Sam's our QB all year I see a .500 team. If we hit on a franchise QB in the draft, we fight with the Lions and the Packers for the division.
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I don't know why you are against trading future picks for that QB. There isn't a guarantee that they'll be studs or even starters.
If we use your trade scenario from earlier where it's 11, 23, and our 2025 first to get to #3, what would that look like? If we look back at our past two drafts, that would be Lewis Cine, Andrew Booth, and Jordan Addison not being on our team. Addison is the only good player, but I think we could live without those 3 if we hit on a franchise QB.
Or if we want to ignore Kwesi's dumb ass trade in 2022 and say we took Kyle Hamilton (All-Pro S), Ed Ingram, and Jordan Addison... like I think we could still be a competitive team without having those guys, especially if we hit on that rookie QB. Right?
Honestly, you should be praying we trade those picks so Kwesi doesn't have a chance to turn those picks into garbage. Kevin is picking the QB so I'd trust him on that pick more than letting Kwesi cook on any non-QB picks.
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