Quote: @StickyBun said:
Drake Maye reminds me of a more athletic Justin Herbert. He's listed at 6'4" (I looked it up, he measure 6'4.5" at the Combine), but he sure looks taller than that. Just a great arm. He takes risks, but I'm telling you that is what usually translates into being a difference maker in the NFL if you have the WRers to help you....which Minnesota does. The guy is so mobile for a tall dude, its surprising to watch. They'll work on that footwork. They don't have to touch that throwing motion.
If this is the guy for them, I get it from KOC's perspective: its his perfect piece of clay. Height, incredible athleticism, big arm, gunslinger, works the middle of the field and goes deep at any time. He's got a really good processor. But I don't think its a 100% done deal, Washington could fuck it up.
The other thing about Maye... apparently he was very impressive during the interviews at the combine.
"Though combine meetings are relatively brief -- they last about 20 minutes -- Maye has displayed intelligence, strong communication skills, and an ability to positively impact the energy in a room, evaluators said this week."
Kinda sounds like a fit for the culture Kevin is trying to maintain in Minnesota. Add in all the athletic tools and the big time throws he put on tape, I think teams are connecting the dots on the Vikings moving up for him. Guessing most teams have Williams #1 and a lock for Chicago and view Daniels as a better fit for Kingsbury's offense in Washington. Maye or JJ would be ideal fits for Minnesota. Don't think the Vikings are leaking anything, I think the media and NFL teams are just drawing logical conclusions.
We'll see what happens.
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
I assumed Maye is a smokescreen. What purpose would leaking your target prior to the draft serve?
The only way you are getting Maye is if you have a plan to trade up to 2 or3 and at that point it doesn't really matter if anyone else knows.
Nobody knows anything for sure until the pick is in...up to now, everything is nothing more than a guess...
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
I assumed Maye is a smokescreen. What purpose would leaking your target prior to the draft serve?
The only way you are getting Maye is if you have a plan to trade up to 2 or3 and at that point it doesn't really matter if anyone else knows.
2 most likely
Quote: @RS Express said:
@ Wetlander said:
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
What's going to be hilarious is if its not Maye, lol.
I think everyone's jumping the gun on that. I kinda think the Vikings have a handshake agreement with the Cards trading 11 and 23 for 4, and would be very happy taking whichever QB is left. But as they go through the draft process, they may realize that adding some juice to move up one or two more might be worth the squeeze. Remember, they did plant a seed with New England at the combine.
I just get the feeling Kwesi wants to be very aggressive in getting the QB they want. I even think that if any team other than the Bears owned the 1st pick, they'd go after that one too.
I dont think Arizona wants to miss out of MHjr. I think NE may be the path or number 5 depending on other variables.
It could be that the Patriots just take Marvin Harrison and try to get a QB later on or even next draft. Everyone is so obsessed with the idea that QBs are gonna go 1-2-3, but New England doesn't have a great set up for a young QB and may not like whichever 3rd guy is left.
They may just say F it, we're taking a generational WR who is the best player in the draft (yes, he's a better prospect overall than Williams or Daniels or Maye at thejr position) and that'll leave the Cardinals as a prime trade up spot for whoever wants to grab a QB.
The Pats might grab MHJ at 3 and hope either Penix or Nix falls to 34.
Hope is not a strategy or a plan son :p
I still think it's going to go Daniels to Washington (makes too much sense with the Kingsbury hire) and the Patriots take Maye. It's going to be extremely difficult to get either team to move off their pick
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Drake Maye reminds me of a more athletic Justin Herbert. He's listed at 6'4" (I looked it up, he measure 6'4.5" at the Combine), but he sure looks taller than that. Just a great arm. He takes risks, but I'm telling you that is what usually translates into being a difference maker in the NFL if you have the WRers to help you....which Minnesota does. The guy is so mobile for a tall dude, its surprising to watch. They'll work on that footwork. They don't have to touch that throwing motion.
If this is the guy for them, I get it from KOC's perspective: its his perfect piece of clay. Height, incredible athleticism, big arm, gunslinger, works the middle of the field and goes deep at any time. He's got a really good processor. But I don't think its a 100% done deal, Washington could fuck it up.
Of the Top 3 Drake Maye seems to be the most polarizing amongst pundits - Joel Klatt loves him, Chris Simms thinks he is the 6th best QB and these are just two examples.
I am just using numbers and measurables with no real knowledge of how to evaluate QB's so just observations.
Many compare Maye to J. Allen or Herbert coming out:
Passing:
Maye's knock is he missed easy throws and his completion % was 63% last year and 66% the year before - this with around 8.5 yards per completion with is very good.
These numbers blow Josh Allen's college numbers away. Allens last two years in college his completion % was 56%.
Herbert had a lot of game expereince coming out - around 47 games. He averaged 64% with about an 8 YPC.
Passing TD ratio:
Drake Maye's 63/16 about 4 to 1.
Josh Allen total TD/Int in college 44/21 or about 2 to 1.
Herbert 95/23 also around 4 to 1
Statistically only, indicates that Maye is in the same passing range of Herbert coming out.
Rushing:
No doubt Allen is a dual threat in the NFL but that was not real evident in college at Wyoming.
Maye - 302, 1209, 4.0 and 16 TD's
Allen - 237 carries for 767 yards for 3.2 yards and 12 TD's in college. He is a better runner in the NFL 5.5 YPC and 51 TD's in 6 seasons in about 650 carries.
Herbert - is not a runner as Sticky points out. 231 for 561 yards for 2.4 YPC. But he did use the big body for 13 rushing TD's. In the NFL, Herbert has run about 220 times for an improved 4.1 YPC.
Statistically only, indicates that Maye would be a better running QB then Allen and Herbert. Not that we necessarily want that.
Observation:
Remember it took Josh Allen year 3 to break out. His rookie numbers were similar to college with 53% completion followed by 59% and then the break out year 3 at 69% which he has not surpassed since. I can't remember specifics, but the year 3 breakout was attributed to Jesse Palmer offseason coach (worked on footwork) and then OC Dabol.
Herbert came right out as a rookie reflecting his college stats. He is a 4-year 67% completion passer and has about a 3 to 1 TD/Int ratio.
Maye is 6'4 220lbs.
Allen is 6'5 237lbs.
Herbert is 6'6 235lbs.
Just stats!
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ Waterboy said:
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@ MaroonBells said:
Dan Orlovsky: "Most of these 1st round QBs if they go to Minnesota are going to be really good. Kevin's great, their offensive line is great, Addison's an awesome #2, Hockenson's a stud...I think Minnesota made those trades because they want to go get Drake Maye...If this young man goes to Minnesota he will be a stud."
https://twitter.com/TPPSkol/status/17687...37941?s=20
Orlovsky is an idiot...If he thinks we have an awesome O-line, he should just shut his mouth and run out of the back of the end zone.
you beat me to it, he could be silent and let the world think he is an idiot, but instead he chose to open his mouth and prove it.
That being said, the line can pass protect at an adequate level and you have targets all over the field. I can't think of a better situation to develop a guy with a gunslinger mentality when the head guy is a QB guru. I'd take Maye or McCarthy and put faith in the setting to get them to the next level.
I don't get the QB guru label. Exactly where is this list of QB's he's developed into pro bowlers? Cousins had 1 year with him before Minnesota, wasn't developed under O'Connell, nor did he turn his career around. When O'Connell was with the Rams, he was never a QB coach. Browns, they had Manziel in rehab.
It's just weird that because he comes off as a reasonable human being, who seems to have empathy, he is a Maharishi in the eyes of the media.
He was a highly successful OC and a former QB in the league, and has brought Cousins to an entirely other level. I would that qualifies as Start to being a guru.
There's not really any reason to think its definitely Maye other than what the talking heads are saying. Might be JJM. Might be Daniels. Hell, they haven't even moved up yet so lets see if that even happens, lol.
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