Quote: @"Waterboy
Let Hunter go,
f Kwesi let's Hunter walk, he looks bad.
The immediate question is why Kwesi decided not to trade him at the deadline last year.
If hunter walks Vikings won't receive a compensatory pick.
Quote: @Mattyman said:
@"Waterboy
Let Hunter go,
f Kwesi let's Hunter walk, he looks bad.
The immediate question is why Kwesi decided not to trade him at the deadline last year.
If hunter walks Vikings won't receive a compensatory pick.
Why would they not?
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39485211
Interesting video posted on ESPN today from the McAfee show in which Dan Orlovsky doesn't think there is any way the Vikings can pay both Jefferson and Cousins and the Vikings are probably going to have to move off Cousins, who he thinks will get 40+ million a year on a 3 year deal. Also floated the idea again about the Vikings trading Jefferson to New England to try to move up for a quarterback.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
I think the ideal off season involves having a good QB and getting
like 4 starters out of the draft, meaning guys are dropping and us getting
lucky because teams missed them.
That’s not hardly a plan though, but something more
tangible:
- Resign
Cousins to a 2 year deal that’s probably something like $60M guaranteed
with $20M more in incentives and an out after 1 year if he’s unable to
really perform due to the injury, but gives him security if he’s healthy.
- Resign
Hunter to a good contract that you can get out of in like 3 years max.
- Resign
JJ to a contract that doesn’t make me cringe a lot.
- Resign
Davenport to be our 3rd OLB for like $6M prove it deal.
- Draft
a QB with our first or second pick without giving up the farm to get them.
I’m skeptical that we’re going to
get one of the top 3 guys, so I just don’t see how it makes sense to
invest multiple high picks in getting the 5th best prospect. I’d rather draft the 5th best
prospect 2 years in a row, than invest 3+ picks into the 4th
best guy. If there’s a guy you feel
really confident in that fits your system and you’re sure that everyone
else is misreading, sure go after that guy, but I think the list of guys
that fail after teams traded up for them is probably just as long as guys
that succeeded. This guys probably
going to have some flaws and need to sit for a year. End of the first makes sense to me.
- Have to get a second impact edge or DL.
- Have to get a quality RB that can both run and block at a low cost.
- Have to bring in another competent starting caliber CB.
6-8, Here you are really dependent on
how you get that QB, ie. Did you blow all your draft picks? You’re probably going to have to pick up a CB
or an Edge in free agency if you draft a QB, unless you get really lucky. I think if you blow a ton of picks on a QB you're probably building for 2025 rather than 2024, so you're more going for overall roster quality than win now as you'll have to be more frugal in FA to make up for the missing draft picks.
It would cost us half as much to move from 42 to 16 as it would to move from 11 to 3. Draft your edge at 11 (there are three with strong value in the 8-15 range--Verse, Turner and Latu). Draft QB4 at 16. Sign Cousins, Hunter and a pass rushing DT in free agency. Use a 4th or FA for a RB.
That gives you Cousins, JJ, Addison, Hock, Darrisaw and O'Neill on offense. Your front seven now has Hunter, Wilkins (FA1), Phillips and Turner (D1). This is a team that would be serious contenders in '24 with a succession plan at QB in place—not to mention $130M in cap space in '25—to keep them there.
Maybe tweak this a bit to be sure you get a QBOTF you want, and end up with the same result. You could draft the QB at 11 then trade back up to the 16 range for the blue chipper DL player.
Sure, and that might actually be a better idea. What's interesting about that is there are three 1st round edges--Latu, Turner, Verse--roughly between 10 and 15, a gap, then another three in the 40s, where our 2nd rounder is. All just a guesstimate, but that's kinda what it looks like.
I think the Vikings pursue either a DT or an Edge in free agency, and then draft the other one in either the 1st or 2nd round.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39485211
Interesting video posted on ESPN today from the McAfee show in which Dan Orlovsky doesn't think there is any way the Vikings can pay both Jefferson and Cousins and the Vikings are probably going to have to move off Cousins, who he thinks will get 40+ million a year on a 3 year deal. Also floated the idea again about the Vikings trading Jefferson to New England to try to move up for a quarterback.
No, they can't coexist once their cap hits accelerate. I've been saying that for two years. But they can for a couple years. And you're not going to sign Cousins for much more than that anyway. I think what Orlovsky is saying is that you can't sign both to long-term deals. But I think everyone already knows that.
An interesting comment made by @PAOnTheMic on yesterday’s show regarding Kirk Cousins’ rumored 2 YR / $90M guaranteed deal:
“That’s wrong by the way… and secondly, I have more intel*. It’s wrong. I’m just telling you it’s wrong. I’m telling you it doesn’t have to be 90.”
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39485211
Interesting video posted on ESPN today from the McAfee show in which Dan Orlovsky doesn't think there is any way the Vikings can pay both Jefferson and Cousins and the Vikings are probably going to have to move off Cousins, who he thinks will get 40+ million a year on a 3 year deal. Also floated the idea again about the Vikings trading Jefferson to New England to try to move up for a quarterback.
No, they can't coexist once their cap hits accelerate. I've been saying that for two years. But they can for a couple years. And you're not going to sign Cousins for much more than that anyway. I think what Orlovsky is saying is that you can't sign both to long-term deals. But I think everyone already knows that.
I guess considering Kirk is 36, what's a long term deal? 2 years, 3 years...4? It almost sounds like Kirk won't sign for less than 3 years and under that scenario how much money gets kicked into dead years with our other free agent considerations? To me the Kirk Cousins contract and what the Vikings do is the most interesting story of the NFL offseason. A little over a month away from getting our answer
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
I think the ideal off season involves having a good QB and getting
like 4 starters out of the draft, meaning guys are dropping and us getting
lucky because teams missed them.
That’s not hardly a plan though, but something more
tangible:
- Resign
Cousins to a 2 year deal that’s probably something like $60M guaranteed
with $20M more in incentives and an out after 1 year if he’s unable to
really perform due to the injury, but gives him security if he’s healthy.
- Resign
Hunter to a good contract that you can get out of in like 3 years max.
- Resign
JJ to a contract that doesn’t make me cringe a lot.
- Resign
Davenport to be our 3rd OLB for like $6M prove it deal.
- Draft
a QB with our first or second pick without giving up the farm to get them.
I’m skeptical that we’re going to
get one of the top 3 guys, so I just don’t see how it makes sense to
invest multiple high picks in getting the 5th best prospect. I’d rather draft the 5th best
prospect 2 years in a row, than invest 3+ picks into the 4th
best guy. If there’s a guy you feel
really confident in that fits your system and you’re sure that everyone
else is misreading, sure go after that guy, but I think the list of guys
that fail after teams traded up for them is probably just as long as guys
that succeeded. This guys probably
going to have some flaws and need to sit for a year. End of the first makes sense to me.
- Have to get a second impact edge or DL.
- Have to get a quality RB that can both run and block at a low cost.
- Have to bring in another competent starting caliber CB.
6-8, Here you are really dependent on
how you get that QB, ie. Did you blow all your draft picks? You’re probably going to have to pick up a CB
or an Edge in free agency if you draft a QB, unless you get really lucky. I think if you blow a ton of picks on a QB you're probably building for 2025 rather than 2024, so you're more going for overall roster quality than win now as you'll have to be more frugal in FA to make up for the missing draft picks.
It would cost us half as much to move from 42 to 16 as it would to move from 11 to 3. Draft your edge at 11 (there are three with strong value in the 8-15 range--Verse, Turner and Latu). Draft QB4 at 16. Sign Cousins, Hunter and a pass rushing DT in free agency. Use a 4th or FA for a RB.
That gives you Cousins, JJ, Addison, Hock, Darrisaw and O'Neill on offense. Your front seven now has Hunter, Wilkins (FA1), Phillips and Turner (D1). This is a team that would be serious contenders in '24 with a succession plan at QB in place—not to mention $130M in cap space in '25—to keep them there.
Maybe tweak this a bit to be sure you get a QBOTF you want, and end up with the same result. You could draft the QB at 11 then trade back up to the 16 range for the blue chipper DL player.
Agreed, if they want their QB4, that will have to be with their pick at 11.
Some team may still jump them before that for the QB4 guy.
I have a feeling JJM is going to be moving up the draft rankings over the next few weeks.
Help fortify the D in FA, Rd2 or later...
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39485211
Interesting video posted on ESPN today from the McAfee show in which Dan Orlovsky doesn't think there is any way the Vikings can pay both Jefferson and Cousins and the Vikings are probably going to have to move off Cousins, who he thinks will get 40+ million a year on a 3 year deal. Also floated the idea again about the Vikings trading Jefferson to New England to try to move up for a quarterback.
No, they can't coexist once their cap hits accelerate. I've been saying that for two years. But they can for a couple years. And you're not going to sign Cousins for much more than that anyway. I think what Orlovsky is saying is that you can't sign both to long-term deals. But I think everyone already knows that.
I guess considering Kirk is 36, what's a long term deal? 2 years, 3 years...4? It almost sounds like Kirk won't sign for less than 3 years and under that scenario how much money gets kicked into dead years with our other free agent considerations? To me the Kirk Cousins contract and what the Vikings do is the most interesting story of the NFL offseason. A little over a month away from getting our answer
Nobody is signing Kirk for 3+ years, fully guaranteed, at the market value for similar, but younger QBs that aren't injured. Kirk will have to take a compromise somewhere. Less years, less money, or less guarantees/safety. We can 100% sign Kirk to a 2 year deal for any amount of money and still afford to wiggle around the cap for whatever JJ gets signed for. That doesn't mean it's wise, but no teams cap is completely unworkable by 2 guys.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39485211
Interesting video posted on ESPN today from the McAfee show in which Dan Orlovsky doesn't think there is any way the Vikings can pay both Jefferson and Cousins and the Vikings are probably going to have to move off Cousins, who he thinks will get 40+ million a year on a 3 year deal. Also floated the idea again about the Vikings trading Jefferson to New England to try to move up for a quarterback.
No, they can't coexist once their cap hits accelerate. I've been saying that for two years. But they can for a couple years. And you're not going to sign Cousins for much more than that anyway. I think what Orlovsky is saying is that you can't sign both to long-term deals. But I think everyone already knows that.
I guess considering Kirk is 36, what's a long term deal? 2 years, 3 years...4? It almost sounds like Kirk won't sign for less than 3 years and under that scenario how much money gets kicked into dead years with our other free agent considerations? To me the Kirk Cousins contract and what the Vikings do is the most interesting story of the NFL offseason. A little over a month away from getting our answer
A long-term deal in this case is anything that goes beyond 2 years. JJ's contract, if it's like most contracts, will accelerate in its 3rd year (2026). Kirk would have to be off the books by then.
I haven't heard anything about Kirk not signing for less than 3 years. I think he likely WANTS 3, while the Vikings likely want 1. So the obvious compromise is 2. We'll see if the can come to an agreement. But it would not surprise me at all to see another team swoop in, not even blinking at 3 years...or even more.
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