Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
A part of me wishes TC was right around the corner so we know who'll most probably be on the roster for the season. My head's going to explode thinking of all the different things that may happen in the next couple months.
I really have pretty low expectations for this coming season, I think the notion that KOC will come in and install an offense, learn playcalling, as well as how to be a head coach quickly enough to have a real shot at doing anything this year is really sporting the shades. I see a lot of potential hurdles to success this year so I have kind of resigned to just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Not hard to call plays better than the ass hat we had last year...ie no Fullback or TE fade routes and obvious 2nd down runs that get stuffed at the LOS every play. I just want to see a healthy, competent defense out there. I think that gives us the best chance to full evaluate everything because for the last two offseasons it has been difficult to analyze based on several game injuries and off the field distractions (Gladney, Griffen again, etc).
Put me on the no side of Za'Darius stictly because of injury concern and the depth of this DE class. If we do sign him and he stays healthy, then I expect him to be a very good player for us
What is Smith's injury concern? He has a back issue last year but prior to that had played 16 games in 3 straight seasons, which is pretty good by NFL standards. As a pure pass rusher he ranked top 5 in NFL efficiency in 2019 & 21. So if you can add him you would be foolish not to. There is no guarantee that Hunter is going to stick on the roster anyways, that still hasn't been settled yet.
This is what worries me. Love the idea of adding Z Smith to the other side of Hunter. That's a beautiful synergy right there. But I sorta have this nagging suspicion that he's being interviewed as a potential replacement.
Quote: @JustinTime18™ said:
He'll be 30 by the time the season starts and coming off back surgery. Extremely productive when healthy, but we're already gambling on an injured Edge guy.
Honestly, I think their interest in Smith is a bargaining tool for Hunter. With an outstanding Edge class available, this doesn't add up for me.
I was thinking the same thing last night. What if Kwesi is trying to get Za'Darius because he still has plans to trade him and draft a DE? They've held their cards close to their chest all FA so this could be another play
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
He'll be 30 by the time the season starts and coming off back surgery. Extremely productive when healthy, but we're already gambling on an injured Edge guy.
Honestly, I think their interest in Smith is a bargaining tool for Hunter. With an outstanding Edge class available, this doesn't add up for me.
I was thinking the same thing last night. What if Kwesi is trying to get Za'Darius because he still has plans to trade him and draft a DE? They've held their cards close to their chest all FA so this could be another play
It is a great edge class right? On paper anyways.
But I bet they'd like the freedom to go DB @ 12 or BPA vs need.
Chess...or checkers?
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JustinTime18™ said:
He'll be 30 by the time the season starts and coming off back surgery. Extremely productive when healthy, but we're already gambling on an injured Edge guy.
Honestly, I think their interest in Smith is a bargaining tool for Hunter. With an outstanding Edge class available, this doesn't add up for me.
I was thinking the same thing last night. What if Kwesi is trying to get Za'Darius because he still has plans to trade him and draft a DE? They've held their cards close to their chest all FA so this could be another play
It is a great edge class right? On paper anyways.
But I bet they'd like the freedom to go DB @ 12 or BPA vs need.
Chess...or checkers?
You run the risk with drafting CB or DE...it's up to them to do the scouting and decide what guys they think are better prospects and will be good for the team. I think the DE and CB classes are very strong, but you never know who gets drafted where
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Bullazin said:
dont have to cover very long with Z Smith and D Hunt coming
but what about the last 10 games of the season once both of them are back on the IR? ( ok not fair on Smith, but with Hunter its a fair question) do you pay on potential or performance?
Absolutely a concern. Trust the med experts. Smith is a monster.
Its a great edge class but maybe 2 or 3 make a significant impact as rooks.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
A part of me wishes TC was right around the corner so we know who'll most probably be on the roster for the season. My head's going to explode thinking of all the different things that may happen in the next couple months.
I really have pretty low expectations for this coming season, I think the notion that KOC will come in and install an offense, learn playcalling, as well as how to be a head coach quickly enough to have a real shot at doing anything this year is really sporting the shades. I see a lot of potential hurdles to success this year so I have kind of resigned to just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Not hard to call plays better than the ass hat we had last year...ie no Fullback or TE fade routes and obvious 2nd down runs that get stuffed at the LOS every play. I just want to see a healthy, competent defense out there. I think that gives us the best chance to full evaluate everything because for the last two offseasons it has been difficult to analyze based on several game injuries and off the field distractions (Gladney, Griffen again, etc).
Put me on the no side of Za'Darius stictly because of injury concern and the depth of this DE class. If we do sign him and he stays healthy, then I expect him to be a very good player for us
What is Smith's injury concern? He has a back issue last year but prior to that had played 16 games in 3 straight seasons, which is pretty good by NFL standards. As a pure pass rusher he ranked top 5 in NFL efficiency in 2019 & 21. So if you can add him you would be foolish not to. There is no guarantee that Hunter is going to stick on the roster anyways, that still hasn't been settled yet.
I think I would rather see money spent on OL and try and win a race to 50.
Edge rusher is a much more premium position than a guard or center.
Not when you are paying a QB 35M per year and who turns into a turtle and the first sign of pressure up the middle.
They want to keep Cousins. Fine.
Get the dude some better protection up the middle and maybe yore offense will get into the top 10 in scoring.
Yards don't matter. Points do.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
A part of me wishes TC was right around the corner so we know who'll most probably be on the roster for the season. My head's going to explode thinking of all the different things that may happen in the next couple months.
I really have pretty low expectations for this coming season, I think the notion that KOC will come in and install an offense, learn playcalling, as well as how to be a head coach quickly enough to have a real shot at doing anything this year is really sporting the shades. I see a lot of potential hurdles to success this year so I have kind of resigned to just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Not hard to call plays better than the ass hat we had last year...ie no Fullback or TE fade routes and obvious 2nd down runs that get stuffed at the LOS every play. I just want to see a healthy, competent defense out there. I think that gives us the best chance to full evaluate everything because for the last two offseasons it has been difficult to analyze based on several game injuries and off the field distractions (Gladney, Griffen again, etc).
Put me on the no side of Za'Darius stictly because of injury concern and the depth of this DE class. If we do sign him and he stays healthy, then I expect him to be a very good player for us
What is Smith's injury concern? He has a back issue last year but prior to that had played 16 games in 3 straight seasons, which is pretty good by NFL standards. As a pure pass rusher he ranked top 5 in NFL efficiency in 2019 & 21. So if you can add him you would be foolish not to. There is no guarantee that Hunter is going to stick on the roster anyways, that still hasn't been settled yet.
I think I would rather see money spent on OL and try and win a race to 50.
Edge rusher is a much more premium position than a guard or center.
Not when you are paying a QB 35M per year and who turns into a turtle and the first sign of pressure up the middle.
They want to keep Cousins. Fine.
Get the dude some better protection up the middle and maybe yore offense will get into the top 10 in scoring.
Yards don't matter. Points do.
You don't like Kirk, and that's fine, but getting a quality center is needed for whatever QB we have as you can have that bad of internal OL and expect to win. This can be done with Kirk's cap hit this year no doubt. That being said, if the defense can get to league average in points given up per game then I think we make the playoffs, where anything can happen. Posted this before but:
2020: PPG was 26.87 and 25.14 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 29.69 and 32.71 vs playoff teams
2021: PPG was 25 and 25 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 25 and 30 vs playoff teams.
Need the defense to be healthy and on the field...hell, the Titans were like 20th in the NFL in points given up but still got the 1 seed. If we sign Za'Darius and he stays healthy, along with Hunter, then this drastically changes. I know those are both big ifs, but we gotta have our best defensive players on the field.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
A part of me wishes TC was right around the corner so we know who'll most probably be on the roster for the season. My head's going to explode thinking of all the different things that may happen in the next couple months.
I really have pretty low expectations for this coming season, I think the notion that KOC will come in and install an offense, learn playcalling, as well as how to be a head coach quickly enough to have a real shot at doing anything this year is really sporting the shades. I see a lot of potential hurdles to success this year so I have kind of resigned to just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Not hard to call plays better than the ass hat we had last year...ie no Fullback or TE fade routes and obvious 2nd down runs that get stuffed at the LOS every play. I just want to see a healthy, competent defense out there. I think that gives us the best chance to full evaluate everything because for the last two offseasons it has been difficult to analyze based on several game injuries and off the field distractions (Gladney, Griffen again, etc).
Put me on the no side of Za'Darius stictly because of injury concern and the depth of this DE class. If we do sign him and he stays healthy, then I expect him to be a very good player for us
What is Smith's injury concern? He has a back issue last year but prior to that had played 16 games in 3 straight seasons, which is pretty good by NFL standards. As a pure pass rusher he ranked top 5 in NFL efficiency in 2019 & 21. So if you can add him you would be foolish not to. There is no guarantee that Hunter is going to stick on the roster anyways, that still hasn't been settled yet.
I think I would rather see money spent on OL and try and win a race to 50.
Edge rusher is a much more premium position than a guard or center.
Not when you are paying a QB 35M per year and who turns into a turtle and the first sign of pressure up the middle.
They want to keep Cousins. Fine.
Get the dude some better protection up the middle and maybe yore offense will get into the top 10 in scoring.
Yards don't matter. Points do.
You don't like Kirk, and that's fine, but getting a quality center is needed for whatever QB we have as you can have that bad of internal OL and expect to win. This can be done with Kirk's cap hit this year no doubt. That being said, if the defense can get to league average in points given up per game then I think we make the playoffs, where anything can happen. Posted this before but:
2020: PPG was 26.87 and 25.14 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 29.69 and 32.71 vs playoff teams
2021: PPG was 25 and 25 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 25 and 30 vs playoff teams.
Need the defense to be healthy and on the field...hell, the Titans were like 20th in the NFL in points given up but still got the 1 seed. If we sign Za'Darius and he stays healthy, along with Hunter, then this drastically changes. I know those are both big ifs, but we gotta have our best defensive players on the field.
I was a fan of the Cousins signing in 2018 before the team signed him and wrote a post about it.
I was not a fan of the first extension cause I thought it was premature and the results did not warrant one.
I am even less a fan of this extension because one playoffs in four years is not good enough.
I have said that it would not matter who the QB was either.
Paying big bucks to a QB has failed.
I do not agree with trying to get the defense to average before getting the offense closer to great.
Kirk Cousins struggles mightily with pressure up the middle.
All I am saying is that since they reinvested in this dude, it would seem like a good idea to provide him with the best protection possible in order to get the maximum ROI.
The defense can come along slower and via the draft hopefully.
If the offense is scoring at will, then the defense may have an easier job.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ PurpleCrush said:
A part of me wishes TC was right around the corner so we know who'll most probably be on the roster for the season. My head's going to explode thinking of all the different things that may happen in the next couple months.
I really have pretty low expectations for this coming season, I think the notion that KOC will come in and install an offense, learn playcalling, as well as how to be a head coach quickly enough to have a real shot at doing anything this year is really sporting the shades. I see a lot of potential hurdles to success this year so I have kind of resigned to just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
Not hard to call plays better than the ass hat we had last year...ie no Fullback or TE fade routes and obvious 2nd down runs that get stuffed at the LOS every play. I just want to see a healthy, competent defense out there. I think that gives us the best chance to full evaluate everything because for the last two offseasons it has been difficult to analyze based on several game injuries and off the field distractions (Gladney, Griffen again, etc).
Put me on the no side of Za'Darius stictly because of injury concern and the depth of this DE class. If we do sign him and he stays healthy, then I expect him to be a very good player for us
What is Smith's injury concern? He has a back issue last year but prior to that had played 16 games in 3 straight seasons, which is pretty good by NFL standards. As a pure pass rusher he ranked top 5 in NFL efficiency in 2019 & 21. So if you can add him you would be foolish not to. There is no guarantee that Hunter is going to stick on the roster anyways, that still hasn't been settled yet.
I think I would rather see money spent on OL and try and win a race to 50.
Edge rusher is a much more premium position than a guard or center.
Not when you are paying a QB 35M per year and who turns into a turtle and the first sign of pressure up the middle.
They want to keep Cousins. Fine.
Get the dude some better protection up the middle and maybe yore offense will get into the top 10 in scoring.
Yards don't matter. Points do.
You don't like Kirk, and that's fine, but getting a quality center is needed for whatever QB we have as you can have that bad of internal OL and expect to win. This can be done with Kirk's cap hit this year no doubt. That being said, if the defense can get to league average in points given up per game then I think we make the playoffs, where anything can happen. Posted this before but:
2020: PPG was 26.87 and 25.14 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 29.69 and 32.71 vs playoff teams
2021: PPG was 25 and 25 against playoff teams. Defense gave up 25 and 30 vs playoff teams.
Need the defense to be healthy and on the field...hell, the Titans were like 20th in the NFL in points given up but still got the 1 seed. If we sign Za'Darius and he stays healthy, along with Hunter, then this drastically changes. I know those are both big ifs, but we gotta have our best defensive players on the field.
I was a fan of the Cousins signing in 2018 before the team signed him and wrote a post about it.
I was not a fan of the first extension cause I thought it was premature and the results did not warrant one.
I am even less a fan of this extension because one playoffs in four years is not good enough.
I have said that it would not matter who the QB was either.
Paying big bucks to a QB has failed.
I do not agree with trying to get the defense to average before getting the offense closer to great.
Kirk Cousins struggles mightily with pressure up the middle.
All I am saying is that since they reinvested in this dude, it would seem like a good idea to provide him with the best protection possible in order to get the maximum ROI.
The defense can come along slower and via the draft hopefully.
If the offense is scoring at will, then the defense may have an easier job.
I hear ya, and maybe the offense exceeds a little more this year with better play calling? More creativity, less run tendencies on 2nd down, another year for KJ under McCardell, etc. I think the offense has some of the best weapons in the NFL and I think the calls restricted them last year. It's not hard to improve the pass protection when your center is basically dead last at his position, same with the RG carousel.
So it seems Za'darius Smith is still in town. Both sides have interest.
According to @DWolfsonKSTP Vikings are having ongoing talks with his agent.
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