Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I think part of the reason KAM was slow to rework veteran deals is they wanting to change how the handle the cap. Sure you can be stupid and continue to back load contracts and add void years and other shit to kick the cam down the road, but eventually that can needs to be picked up and its typically not an easy task.
Rick was always playing for today and wanting to pay tomorrow, KAM seems to want to do more pay as you go, but still has to try and meet the Wilfs expectations., so after seeing what the trade markets were like for the 2 elephants in the room, as well as the costs of replacing them, the decision was able to be made to stay the course and then it became time to make the moves to pay for the course they were handed without making the situation any worse than they have to.
I dont like giving Cousins more money and control but if the wilfs demand no rebuild, then thats what KAM had to do, but I see a little method to his madness and while frustrating as a fan, I think he reactive approach right now night be the best path.
He has retained 2 of our better talents at their positions, to meet the wilfs demands, and really only added 1 bad year of cap spending. It could have been much worse if they had really extended Cousins and Hunter both to longer term higher dollar deals that both parties are looking for.
Now, the question for me is, will hunter play on his deal or hold out?
He'll play due to the money he'll receive for doing so, or I should say the money he will lose if he doesn't show. I think KAM was put in a bad position as well. He is a "value" guy. A lot of the guys coming off the board now are not "values". They may be highly sought after, in fact "too" highly sought after to the point where the overpays aren't worth it. I think he sits back and waits for the right guys at the right times, knowing that he also has to satisfy the Wilf's need to stay competitive. Which, I think is kinda stupid, but I digress. I think you give the guy the keys with the orders to have the QB position fixed and a playoff caliber team ready to roll in year 3.
Thats a real tough sell to season tix holders...
We have 4 of em. I dont want to drop $12k on a 3 year plan.
Rest assured, there are no "3-year plans" for teams like this. Dalvin, JJ, ISJ, O'Neill, Cleveland, Darrisaw, Hunter....all of whom are 26 and younger. You don't "rebuild" teams like that. It's laughable to even think about.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
“The cap is a myth”
”Kwesi can’t make big moves because Rick screwed up the cap”
Which is it?
If you have no players willing to redo contracts to offset how the money is paid out, it is real. If you have players willing to restructures it's a myth. You cant honestly look at the Saints clearing $100 million in cap space in three weeks while cutting no one, and say with a straight face the cap is in any way what it used to be.
There are ways to circumvent the cap, teams can structure contracts w/ built in restructure language that does not even require the players consent. But again, at some point you have to pay the fiddler. The Saints have over 29m in dead money this season, they may not have cut anyone, however they also aren’t signing 29m worth of players, & on the same token the Vikings have nearly 23m of dead money.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ pattersaur said:
“The cap is a myth”
”Kwesi can’t make big moves because Rick screwed up the cap”
Which is it?
If you have no players willing to redo contracts to offset how the money is paid out, it is real. If you have players willing to restructures it's a myth. You cant honestly look at the Saints clearing $100 million in cap space in three weeks while cutting no one, and say with a straight face the cap is in any way what it used to be.
Saints did release a handful of players, but they achieved most of that through restructures.
Either way, I agree that the cap not this inflexible albatross so many think it is. Teams are also much more willing to push money onto future years because of how much the cap is going to increase, especially if they think they're in a "window." And lets face it, with parity the way it is, all but maybe 6 or 7 teams think they're in their window. And they're not really wrong.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I think the optimism for KOCs offense is a little over the top, yes we have the skill players, but all the excuses made about offensive shortcoming in the past that centered on the lack of the OC having never had play calling duties some how is not going to be an issue with KOC? Or somehow our OLine issues are going to go away because Zimmer isn't brow besting those that can't anchor in pass pro or get any push in run blocking? Our O could be as big a mess as our D next year.
But at least we made a change so eventually we could/should see improvement.
Dude, if we as Viking fans don't have optimism WTF do we actually have? Its not like we can point to the trophy case and brag!!!!
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I think the optimism for KOCs offense is a little over the top, yes we have the skill players, but all the excuses made about offensive shortcoming in the past that centered on the lack of the OC having never had play calling duties some how is not going to be an issue with KOC? Or somehow our OLine issues are going to go away because Zimmer isn't brow besting those that can't anchor in pass pro or get any push in run blocking? Our O could be as big a mess as our D next year.
But at least we made a change so eventually we could/should see improvement.
Dude, if we as Viking fans don't have optimism WTF do we actually have? Its not like we can point to the trophy case and brag!!!!
hey Im the guy that copyrighted the personalized plate "nxtyear" I just think with all they have to put together and learn, it might be wise to temper shit a bit, especially since we dont even have our roster assembled yet.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ pattersaur said:
“The cap is a myth”
”Kwesi can’t make big moves because Rick screwed up the cap”
Which is it?
If you have no players willing to redo contracts to offset how the money is paid out, it is real. If you have players willing to restructures it's a myth. You cant honestly look at the Saints clearing $100 million in cap space in three weeks while cutting no one, and say with a straight face the cap is in any way what it used to be.
Saints did release a handful of players, but they achieved most of that through restructures.
Either way, I agree that the cap not this inflexible albatross so many think it is. Teams are also much more willing to push money onto future years because of how much the cap is going to increase, especially if they think they're in a "window." And lets face it, with parity the way it is, all but maybe 6 or 7 teams think they're in their window. And they're not really wrong.
There were no players released in the three week time span they cleared that money. Last Saints player cut was kicker Brett Maher on 2/22. I am only nit picky because of how impressive that is. That aside agree 100% with what you said about the reality of the cap now. They keep profiting as the league has the last decade and that cap will keep sky rocketing.
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