Quote: @greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
Exactly. It has become a new religion to some. Money grubbing preachers everywhere.
I can see both sides of the story. I get labeled many things because I tell everyone what a douchebag Trump is so I get the "Joe Biden Lover" tattoo from people. Not true.
There's middle ground to some extent, even with this pandemic.
Never was a huge fan of him, liked many of his policies.
But yes, middle ground. If Ivermectin is safe, been around for decades, why does it need to be censored, stricken from media, demonized? The studies I linked show that it does indeed help, especially if given early on. If this pandemic is so dangerous, why aren't we using ALL the tools to stop it?
I question this vaccine not because I doubt vaccines, but because of the people pushing it and the intensity with which the push. It is so extreme. Gov't working with social media to censor free speech. That should be so wrong to any american. Free speech is our bedrock principal.
Ive always been fine with thise that have had the virus not needing vaccination. The two that did have covid in our office did also get the vaccine. I would assume the more exposures the better?
On ivermectin, if youre going to take it, dont go buy cattle ivermectin. Theres absolutley zero chance youll be able to dose it correctly and it can MESS YOU UP. Get human ivermectin from a doctor.
On free speech. The .gov shouldnt be buying off organizations but FB and similar dont owe you free speech. Their platform, their rules.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
Exactly. It has become a new religion to some. Money grubbing preachers everywhere.
I can see both sides of the story. I get labeled many things because I tell everyone what a douchebag Trump is so I get the "Joe Biden Lover" tattoo from people. Not true.
There's middle ground to some extent, even with this pandemic.
Never was a huge fan of him, liked many of his policies.
But yes, middle ground. If Ivermectin is safe, been around for decades, why does it need to be censored, stricken from media, demonized? The studies I linked show that it does indeed help, especially if given early on. If this pandemic is so dangerous, why aren't we using ALL the tools to stop it?
I question this vaccine not because I doubt vaccines, but because of the people pushing it and the intensity with which the push. It is so extreme. Gov't working with social media to censor free speech. That should be so wrong to any american. Free speech is our bedrock principal.
Ive always been fine with thise that have had the virus not needing vaccination. The two that did have covid in our office did also get the vaccine. I would assume the more exposures the better?
On ivermectin, if youre going to take it, dont go buy cattle ivermectin. Theres absolutley zero chance youll be able to dose it correctly and it can MESS YOU UP. Get human ivermectin from a doctor.
On free speech. The .gov shouldnt be buying off organizations but FB and similar dont owe you free speech. Their platform, their rules.
I agree 100% on FB etc, however if the govt or govt funded agencies are going to use a public platform then it should be a truly open form of communication. When the CDC etc use them it lends authority to the source and if they are going to allow editorial views while censoring opposing views then IMO the govt needs to abandon that platform. You know, like CNN, Fox, CBS, and NBC :p
Honestly I never understood why Trump stayed on Twitter, early on in his presidency he should have abandoned Twitter for a different platform IMO, instead of starting a legal battle.
A third of eligible people aren't vaccinated. Here's what we know about them
WHAT MATTERS: We know the way out of it is through vaccines, but now we're being told by the CDC that even vaccinated people should mask up in high transmission areas because not enough of the country has gotten vaccinated. What, in the most general sense, do we know about that unvaccinated population?
ENTEN: Well, I think we know a few things.
1. They're more likely to be Republicans than Democrats. Most polling ( see here) shows that somewhere between 50% and 60% of Republican adults are vaccinated compared with 80% to 90% of Democratic adults. 2. They're likely to be younger. About 90% of Americans age 65 and older have received at least one dose ( see here and click on age), while only a little more than 50% of those age 18-24 have. That percentage is even lower for 12- to 17-year-olds. 3. They're likely to be Black or Hispanic. This is a harder number to come by because it's not tracked by every state agency and sample sizes on polls are smaller, but among the entire population and the states that are tracked, about 48% of White Americans have received at least one dose compared to 41% of Hispanics and 38% of Black Americans ( see here). (Nearly two-thirds [65%] of Asians have.) WHAT MATTERS: Just about 57% of the country has gotten one dose and just about half of the country is fully vaccinated, according to the CDC. But zero people under 12 have gotten the shot. So how big is the universe of people that's actually holding us up?
ENTEN: Well, this has been one of the interesting things from a journalistic perspective. What is the best dominator?
I can spend a day on that all. But the important thing to realize here is that two-thirds (67%) of those 12 and older (who are only ones eligible) right now have received at least one dose. A clear majority (58%) are fully vaccinated, per the CDC.*Side note: There is a small fraction of those under 12 who have been vaccinated because of trials.
WHAT MATTERS: So it's a third of eligible people, give or take?
ENTEN: Yes. About a third of the eligible population has refused to take a dose. But that drops as you go up the age ladder. Among the most at-risk, age 65+, from the virus (though we are all at least at some risk and everyone should get vaccinated), 80% are fully vaccinated and 90% are at least partially vaccinated.
WHAT MATTERS: My impression of the groups you mention above (and they're not mutually exclusive!), but my impression of what's holding back vaccines goes something like this: Young people might think they're invincible, so they don't prioritize going in. Conservatives might be skeptical of the government and vaccines. And racial minorities might have a legitimate historic fear of being treated like guinea pigs. What does the data say about what motivates these groups?
ENTEN: So, I think the last Kaiser poll in June gives us a good indication of what is going on here. They asked different groups why they are hesitant or resistant.
Republicans actually basically give a slew of different answers (which may be code for saying they just don't want it no matter what). Somewhere between 46% and 55% say the vaccine is too new, side effect worries, just don't want to get it, don't trust the government, don't think they need it, don't think they need it, etc.
Compare that to Black Americans, the two top answers by far are vaccine is too new and worried about side effects (55%). Among those under 30 who haven't received a dose, 65% say they don't think they need one is a major reason.
WHAT MATTERS: What do we know about who is persuadable to get the vaccine and how they might be persuaded?
ENTEN: So this is interesting. What is the definition of persuadable? I think you could consider two groups to be persuadable.
The ones who say "we'll see about this" and the ones who say "I'll only take the vaccine if forced." Both are about 10% of the entire adult population.
Much of the wait-and-see crowds wants some more reassurances that the vaccine is safe. In that Kaiser poll I mentioned, 56% of those who were not vaccinated, but said at a minimum that they were waiting and seeing, indicated that full FDA approval of a Covid-19 vaccine would make them more likely to get a vaccine. I think the answer to the "only take a vaccine if forced" crowd is pretty obvious: vaccine mandates. People may complain about them, but the polling indicates anyway that they could work.
WHAT MATTERS: We're talking generally here about a country of more than 330 million people when we know that regional disparities in vaccine acceptance play a huge role in this problem, with huge fluctuations between states and within states. I know the South is less vaccinated than the rest of the country. I know West Virginia got a good start on vaccines but now lags. And we know there are outbreaks in places like Los Angeles, which have better-than-average vaccine coverage. What regional vaccine storylines are popping out to you?
ENTEN: I mean, New England being so vaccinated is something else for one thing. Maine and New Hampshire are states where Trump competed hard in. Nearly won both of them in 2016. Both have about three-quarters of their adult population vaccinated. You won't find a group of states more vaccinated than the six in New England.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/...index.html
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
Exactly. It has become a new religion to some. Money grubbing preachers everywhere.
I can see both sides of the story. I get labeled many things because I tell everyone what a douchebag Trump is so I get the "Joe Biden Lover" tattoo from people. Not true.
There's middle ground to some extent, even with this pandemic.
Never was a huge fan of him, liked many of his policies.
But yes, middle ground. If Ivermectin is safe, been around for decades, why does it need to be censored, stricken from media, demonized? The studies I linked show that it does indeed help, especially if given early on. If this pandemic is so dangerous, why aren't we using ALL the tools to stop it?
I question this vaccine not because I doubt vaccines, but because of the people pushing it and the intensity with which the push. It is so extreme. Gov't working with social media to censor free speech. That should be so wrong to any american. Free speech is our bedrock principal.
Ive always been fine with thise that have had the virus not needing vaccination. The two that did have covid in our office did also get the vaccine. I would assume the more exposures the better?
On ivermectin, if youre going to take it, dont go buy cattle ivermectin. Theres absolutley zero chance youll be able to dose it correctly and it can MESS YOU UP. Get human ivermectin from a doctor.
On free speech. The .gov shouldnt be buying off organizations but FB and similar dont owe you free speech. Their platform, their rules.
I am going with the natural immunity doesn't need the shot. Don't think doubling up is going to help and may make things worse.
As to medical advice, thank you. I will take your advice as I do from all internet sources. No need to worry about my medical research, I have my own experts, doctors in the family and other medical professionals. Also have a pretty extensive knowledge from years of dealing with the medical industrial complex.
On free speech, when social media platforms and government work together, their "private company" excuse goes out the window. And when they are using section 230 to their advantage, they also have restrictions. So, no, not their platform their rules.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
A third of eligible people aren't vaccinated. Here's what we know about them
WHAT MATTERS: We know the way out of it is through vaccines, but now we're being told by the CDC that even vaccinated people should mask up in high transmission areas because not enough of the country has gotten vaccinated. What, in the most general sense, do we know about that unvaccinated population?
Too funny. I assume you realize what you posted is nonsensical? First of all...the only hard information that we have on those vaccinated is age and race/ethnicity. Those are required by the CDC for the vaccine. The rest of this is polling. Republicans are a lot less likely to share medical data...so they're instantly bounced from the results. I have been vaccinated but would tell a pollster it's none of their business (I'm actually a Libertarian). Republicans are also VERY distrustful of anything related to the MSM or current Administration. Having put together quite a few polls/questionnaires in my day...it's pretty easy to bias results. For instance, you say "President Biden and Dr Anthony Fauci highly recommend all Americans age 12 and above be vaccinated against Covid. Have you or will you be vaccinated?" Republicans will instinctively answer no. I've seen some of the "polling" results from left wing sources such as Vox as high as 95% of Democrats and 50% of Republicans have or will be vaccinated. First of all, you can walk right into Walgreens, CVS among others and be vaccinated today....so if you will be vaccinated...why haven't you been? Democrats are answering yes...even if the answer is no/maybe...thereby skewing results. Again, the polling is suspect.
Now...let's go back to the hard data (which this article claims is harder to get?). Blacks and Hispanics lag far behind Whites in terms of vaccination rates and young people lag older people significantly but somehow Republicans lag Democrats significantly? Are Blacks/Hispanics and young people traditionally Republican base??? If Democrats clearly are more likely to be vaccinated...why are heavily Democratic states like California and Hawaii middle of the pack in terms of vaccination rates. Shouldn't that discrepancy be reflected in results? They should be top of the pack...if this article was accurate.
The math doesn't work.
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