Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Not sure I get the Kubiak hate, seemed pretty solid to me as a coach. Stefanski and his son, Klint, are good buddies.
Why hate? Most are curious at the least or encouraged. I was remembering of manning getting his ass kicked pretty regular but I don't watch a lot of donkey ball.
You realize the vast majority of Kubiak's coaching career was with the Texans, right? Not the Broncos? 2-2 playoff record, better than Zimmer.
Yes and I also know that in the not for long league that you are only as good as your last memorable position, I was asking a legit question about his hiring, I wasn't hating, as you called it. I recall his team being very similar to what our team is dealing with...lots of talent at the skill positions but a shitty oline, and if I am remembering correctly why bring in his OL coach?
As far as the texans job, that was to far back to really count...I mean if the game can pass Zimmer by in only a year or 2, as some suggest, why would anybodys resume have any meaning beyond that time frame?
I don't hate the hiring, I like adding experience, I was just questioning how much help this particular guy will bring to fixing our very broKen oline based on his last opportunity to do so that looked like a failure in Denver where they were ranked in the lower third of the league under him...of course that was by PFF...so there's that.
Seriously? It was strictly Kubiak, his TE & O-Line Coaches and his son who huilt that shitty Line in Denver?
Was Elway one of those GMs in name only? Cuz if that's the case then it was Gary who built a Super Bowl winning team. Which means sneaky old Mike Zimmer didn't hire Kevin's replacement, he hired Rick's.
And if it was Horseface who built that team then it's still a great hire as the team now has someone who's already been in a situation where the GM ignores the O-Line and still found a way to win despite that. With a QB down to about 50% of his arm strength too.
Even if this is a 1 year pit stop for Kubiak and his gang I still see the potential for them to really help. Especially with the FO. Hopefully Rick and his guys really listen to what Kubs has to say about FAs and the kids in the Draft. We'll see.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Jesus there are some paranoid Andriods around here lately.
Maybe, just maybe, Stefanski almost getting hired by the Browns got Rick & Mike thinking they need an in-house successor if Kevin does a good or great job next season.
And maybe that successor is actually, I don't know, a friend of Kevins.
Or maybe it was Stefanski who made the recommendation to hook up his friend and his friend's old man?
Lots of things we don't know. One thing I personally know? Vikings fans go straight to the Dark Side almost religously. Must be in the water.
I've calculated your chance of survival but I don't think you'll like it...
Seriously, you don't find it odd that we hire an Offensive Coordinator - and then, a week later, hire a different "Offensive Advisor", who has been interviewing for OC jobs elsewhere, and that the OA is the one who brings along 3 offensive coaches from his posse?
It sounds to me like one faction within the decision-making process liked Kubiak, with his great experience and maturity and ability to improve an OL with marginal personnel talent, but some other faction said, "We need one of those young offensive minds like Sean McVay that everyone is writing about, hire someone under 40!!"
I’m a bit surprised the hiring of a Superbowl winning coach isn’t being received better. Kubiak is a great coach with a solid history. He’ll bring some great insight to this team. He left the Broncos due to health reasons not performance. His style of west coast offense is zone blocking and play action. I have little doubt we will be moving to his style of system. This should be a great fit for our current players. I expect he will bring a lot to the team.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I’m a bit surprised the hiring of a Superbowl winning coach isn’t being received better. Kubiak is a great coach with a solid history. He’ll bring some great insight to this team. He left the Broncos due to health reasons not performance. His style of west coast offense is zone blocking and play action. I have little doubt we will be moving to his style of system. This should be a great fit for our current players. I expect he will bring a lot to the team.
I like the hiring, I think it bolsters the offensive room that I really had doubts about. I hope it means we are fitting the offense around the guys we have (Cook, Cousins, AT, Diggs) rather than trying to fit the guys to the offense (i.e. Flip) And I really hope it means our offensive line play improves.
A clarification tho, were we not already a zone blocking scheme? I thought that was what Sparano was brought in for and why guys like Easton, Elf and O'Neill were good fits. But it is so hard to keep up with the rapid change on offense these last 5 years.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
I’m a bit surprised the hiring of a Superbowl winning coach isn’t being received better. Kubiak is a great coach with a solid history. He’ll bring some great insight to this team. He left the Broncos due to health reasons not performance. His style of west coast offense is zone blocking and play action. I have little doubt we will be moving to his style of system. This should be a great fit for our current players. I expect he will bring a lot to the team.
I like the hiring, I think it bolsters the offensive room that I really had doubts about. I hope it means we are fitting the offense around the guys we have (Cook, Cousins, AT, Diggs) rather than trying to fit the guys to the offense (i.e. Flip) And I really hope it means our offensive line play improves.
A clarification tho, were we not already a zone blocking scheme? I thought that was what Sparano was brought in for and why guys like Easton, Elf and O'Neill were good fits. But it is so hard to keep up with the rapid change on offense these last 5 years.
We were, but I always got the impression it was a sort of a half-assed, "transitional" ZBS with some of the newer players (O'Neill and Collins, for example. Gossett too, for what it's worth) fitting it well, but some of the hold overs (Remmers) not so well. Kubiak is a ZBS evangelist, so I'm guessing this could be the start of a major OL overhaul that will greatly impact who we target in free agency and the draft.
interestingly, Parini must be a good fit as a TE coach.
From the Vikings.com article
Quote: Pariani was Denver’s tight ends coach from 1995 to 2004 before
becoming the offensive coordinator at Syracuse for one season. He then
coached tight ends in Houston under Kubiak from 2006 to 2013, and in
Baltimore in 2014 when Kubiak was the Ravens offensive coordinator.
The 53-year-old was then the tight ends coach in 2015 and 2016 with Kubiak in Denver.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
It sounds to me like one faction within the decision-making process liked Kubiak, with his great experience and maturity and ability to improve an OL with marginal personnel talent, but some other faction said, "We need one of those young offensive minds like Sean McVay that everyone is writing about, hire someone under 40!!"
It sounds to me like you're playing devil's advocate... :-D
I don't think anyone was looking at Kubiak as an Offensive Coordinator. He was being interviewed as an "offensive advisor" by teams because his coordinator/HC'ing days are over with his health. This is the best role for him now it seems. Less stress, let him share insights and knowledge, but let others stay up late devising game plans, managing personnel, coaching, etc.
This is Stefanski's show and he's good friends with Kubiak's son. This looks more like a mutual decision to bring in another bright offensive mind to the staff. If anything, Zimmer might have lobbied to bring in Kubiak to help himself... Kubiak's been in that position before with the Texans and Broncos... maybe Zimmer felt he needed another former HC to be his own sounding board and this has nothing to do with Stefanski?
Regardless, this was a good hire in my opinion.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Jor-El said:
It sounds to me like one faction within the decision-making process liked Kubiak, with his great experience and maturity and ability to improve an OL with marginal personnel talent, but some other faction said, "We need one of those young offensive minds like Sean McVay that everyone is writing about, hire someone under 40!!"
It sounds to me like you're playing devil's advocate... :-D
I don't think anyone was looking at Kubiak as an Offensive Coordinator. He was being interviewed as an "offensive advisor" by teams because his coordinator/HC'ing days are over with his health. This is the best role for him now it seems. Less stress, let him share insights and knowledge, but let others stay up late devising game plans, managing personnel, coaching, etc.
This is Stefanski's show and he's good friends with Kubiak's son. This looks more like a mutual decision to bring in another bright offensive mind to the staff. If anything, Zimmer might have lobbied to bring in Kubiak to help himself... Kubiak's been in that position before with the Texans and Broncos... maybe Zimmer felt he needed another former HC to be his own sounding board and this has nothing to do with Stefanski?
Regardless, this was a good hire in my opinion.
i.e. Zimmer is tired of messing around waiting on the offense to at least hold its own. Not sure if we are in a window, but we have a great D and lots of expensive weapons on offense. Stop messing around and win.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I’m a bit surprised the hiring of a Superbowl winning coach isn’t being received better. Kubiak is a great coach with a solid history. He’ll bring some great insight to this team. He left the Broncos due to health reasons not performance. His style of west coast offense is zone blocking and play action. I have little doubt we will be moving to his style of system. This should be a great fit for our current players. I expect he will bring a lot to the team.
Yep. I guess we needed to hire a 19 year old to one up the McVay craze/trend for some?
Let's at least give it a shot next September and see what happens before we shit on it. Like I've said ad nauseam, upgrading the offensive line is going to make everyone look smarter. Avianti Collins is a player who's going to be in the mix somehow offensively, the team had big plans for him before his injury last season.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Jor-El said:
It sounds to me like one faction within the decision-making process liked Kubiak, with his great experience and maturity and ability to improve an OL with marginal personnel talent, but some other faction said, "We need one of those young offensive minds like Sean McVay that everyone is writing about, hire someone under 40!!"
It sounds to me like you're playing devil's advocate... :-D
I don't think anyone was looking at Kubiak as an Offensive Coordinator. He was being interviewed as an "offensive advisor" by teams because his coordinator/HC'ing days are over with his health. This is the best role for him now it seems. Less stress, let him share insights and knowledge, but let others stay up late devising game plans, managing personnel, coaching, etc.
This is Stefanski's show and he's good friends with Kubiak's son. This looks more like a mutual decision to bring in another bright offensive mind to the staff. If anything, Zimmer might have lobbied to bring in Kubiak to help himself... Kubiak's been in that position before with the Texans and Broncos... maybe Zimmer felt he needed another former HC to be his own sounding board and this has nothing to do with Stefanski?
Regardless, this was a good hire in my opinion.
Devil's advocate = weighing many possibilities.
I do agree that it's a good hire, and also agree that Zimmer seems to need someone on the staff that he considers a peer, and may be more trusting of the offensive coaching staff with Kubiak there.
Part of my perception is that I'm not convinced of Stefanski. He may turn out to be a fine OC, but has definitely benefited from the NFL's infatuation with under-40 coaches.
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