It's one thing if your son gives his disabled friends crap just like his other friends over something like an ugly shirt that he could change, but it's another thing if your son is mocking his disabled friends for their disabilities, which they can't help. I sincerely hope you understand the difference, and yet none of this justifies or absolves our President from acting like a teenage bully, does it? Shouldn't a President be a tad more "presidential" or mature than this, or is the bar just set that low in your world view?
And I'm not sure what abhorrent behavior by Democrats I'm supposed to be outraged by. Because I don't equate being uncivil with celebrating assault of journalists and violence against people I disagree with? Or do you mean Antifa? They are turds, but they have no political affiliation and no ties to Democrats or liberals, they are simply anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But you know what we called the people who fought against fascists and white supremacists 70 years ago? WWII veterans.
Enjoy the game.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
My disconnect comes from those that cannot or will not recognize what kind of shit person Trump is personally. He's a despicable individual.
I can count on one hand the politicans that don't fall into that category.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
Credit where it's due, I disagree with some of this but it's refreshing to read a well-written opposite viewpoint.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
It's one thing if your son gives his disabled friends crap just like his other friends over something like an ugly shirt that he could change, but it's another thing if your son is mocking his disabled friends for their disabilities, which they can't help. I sincerely hope you understand the difference, and yet none of this justifies or absolves our President from acting like a teenage bully, does it? Shouldn't a President be a tad more "presidential" or mature than this, or is the bar just set that low in your world view?
And I'm not sure what abhorrent behavior by Democrats I'm supposed to be outraged by. Because I don't equate being uncivil with celebrating assault of journalists and violence against people I disagree with? Or do you mean Antifa? They are turds, but they have no political affiliation and no ties to Democrats or liberals, they are simply anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But you know what we called the people who fought against fascists and white supremacists 70 years ago? WWII veterans.
Enjoy the game.
So wait? Yall get to toss out Antifa but I'm still a nazi/racist/homophobe/xenophobe/or whatever "ist" is popular today?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
It's one thing if your son gives his disabled friends crap just like his other friends over something like an ugly shirt that he could change, but it's another thing if your son is mocking his disabled friends for their disabilities, which they can't help. I sincerely hope you understand the difference, and yet none of this justifies or absolves our President from acting like a teenage bully, does it? Shouldn't a President be a tad more "presidential" or mature than this, or is the bar just set that low in your world view?
And I'm not sure what abhorrent behavior by Democrats I'm supposed to be outraged by. Because I don't equate being uncivil with celebrating assault of journalists and violence against people I disagree with? Or do you mean Antifa? They are turds, but they have no political affiliation and no ties to Democrats or liberals, they are simply anti-fascist, anti-white supremacist. But you know what we called the people who fought against fascists and white supremacists 70 years ago? WWII veterans.
Enjoy the game.
So wait? Yall get to toss out Antifa but I'm still a nazi/racist/homophobe/xenophobe/or whatever "ist" is popular today?
Uh dont see where I called you any of that personally, but stating the facts that GOP has now embraced the violent, homophobic Proud Boys and invited Gavin Mcinnes to speak for them in NY. Have any Dems endorsed Antifa calling them fine people? Has Antifa spoken at a Democratic convention? You are aware that groups other than Democrats don't like white supremacists? Let me know if you need help understanding the difference.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
AGR I'm glad you think it's funny. Yes, its funny. Its hysterical. I didn't even vote for the Cheeto in chief. Way to authoritarian for my blood but that doesn't mean I can't see the irony in it all. The amount of times I got told to "deal with it" when Obama was in office. I say yall should just deal with it.
I'm glad you cheer on a man who is using the same tactics to destroy the press and our foundations of democracy and make people question what is really truth. I'm glad you applaud a leader who trusts Putin more than his own FBI, CIA, NSA. My libertarian roots tell me the best thing that can happen to this nation is we pull back on the FBI/CIA/NSA etc. However, thats not in this discussion. They are to powerful and its been proven that they are VERY MUCH partisan. Just imagine you had an agency actively spying on you based off bullshit intell BOUGHT and PAID for by the opponent in an election. I wouldn't trust them either. Nixon was impeached for significantly less. As for Putain. Thats the biggest fake news story of the decade. There isn't/wasn't any evidence because it didn't happen.
I'm glad you accept Trump's comments that an American reporter started a brawl with 15 Saudis who happen to bring a bone saw to Turkey. That's what is scary, you're not this dumb but you defend your party to the death that you can no longer be objective and speak up ... and that's how Germany fell to fascism, good people said nothing and went along with it. Again I've voted for very few Republicans over the years. I've voted for less democrats if that helps. I do politically line up closer to red then I do to blue. As for some reporter getting murdered? I mean this shit happens constantly over there. Why is this one any different? I don't know the whole backstory other then he pissed off the guy in charge but political hits happen all the time......they even happen to enemies of powerful politicians who got their start in Arkansas. If we're going to get outraged about dead brown people why start here? Why aren't we all marching to DC about the Yemenis wedding party that was drone'ed by our beloved military earlier this year? What about all the innocents killed under the Bush 2.0 years. OR the doubling down during the Obama years? If you honestly think we're heading towards a fascist Germany. Buy ammo. Buy guns. I'll be right there fighting with you when the Gestapo comes for us. I'm not concerned.
I'm glad all of this is amusing to you while your GOP is robbing Americans of their Social security to pay for their tax cuts to the rich. Proud moment when your party has extremist hate group leaders as speakers. The GOP is not even trying to hide racism in plain sight anymore. Bravo. This statement is so full of shit. I help people calculate their taxes weekly for my job. This tax cut is benefiting nearly everybody. I am constantly seeing in that $2k range but obviously theres lots of variables. By the way, since rich people pay the bulk of the taxes who the heck else is supposed to get tax relief? Why shouldn't it disproportionately HELP those that pay the most? If Jack is paying 90% of the taxes or lets say $9000 and Jill is paying 10% ($1000) of the taxes and we do a $1000 tax cut why shouldn't Jack get $900 of it and Jill gets $100?
Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Always has been always will be. The SS fund has been underfunded for decades. But sides have refused to do anything about it. To blame it on one side or another is ridiculous at best. If we're going to honestly talk about SS we need to discus how to increase whats going in AND decrease whats going out. We need to increase the age at which time you can start and significantly decrease the fraudulent amount going out as disability benefits. Both of which are deal breakers because politicians are spinless.
The fact that you actually think the NSA started monitoring Trump's campaign people based off the dossier tells me you're woefully misinformed of the entire situation. Manafort had been under surveillance for years since he declared himself an advisor to the Kremlin. Aussies told us about Papadopoulos bragging about how Trump was getting dirt on Hillary from Russians. Other countries monitoring Russians even alerted our intelligence agencies of how many people in Trump's orbit were in contact with Russians. Again, clearly we operate in 2 different realities of facts so theres no point arguing with people who are clueless as to how and why our agencies started monitoring Trump's campaign. Fox News has pushed this false narrative about the dossier being the reason for spying, just like Trump lied about how Obama ordered it. Seriously just stop and do a little research before regurgitating Fox News talking points.
I doubt a crazy insidious plot from Trump shaking hands with Putin, but it's obvious he was elected because of massive Russian interference. Sucks, but I* trust OUR FBI/CIA telling us that.
I personally think nationalism is an overrated idea (none of us can help where we're born), but since I'm here - with other people in 2018 - I'd hope we could all agree that an animal like Putin should be dethroned.
Nope. Let's defend our idiot who likes him for financial reasons.
EDIT *misspelling
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
Pumpf, I'm truly sorry if you don't see what trump is doing regarding basic freedoms.
I'm sorry that you would bitch so much about it without being able to actually articulate any specific instances of your freedom being limited (or even threatened).
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
You know, for people who are deathly afraid of Trump taking away their "free speech", you guys don't seem too afraid to bitch about him constantly.
What point are you trying to make? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that isn't really a "got ya" comment. Yeah, he's trying to silence people and we're calling bullshit. Your point?
Of course, I seem to remember it was "you guys" who said- about 20 years ago- that character didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was whether or not they "did their job".
I'll concede here, I suppose. Twenty years ago, I was twelve.
... ohhh, I see where you're going. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern behind his wife's back. Yeah, who cares. His fuck-up was doing a shitty job of lying about it. That was truly embarrassing. I LIKE the fact Trump fucks porn stars and marries models. I just wish his politics were more like (Bill) Clinton's. A little. Not all of Bill's politics have aged well, but he was a generally decent man... on paper at least. I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
Pumpf: you're the Christian here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you guys are about, but Trump's infidelities should be real red flags to you. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson (BIG Christian) excuses the murder of a journalist because it could jeopardize an arms deal. Leave it to Christians! You guys are always a hoot.
Well, Trump is still the same repugnant guy he was when I didn't vote for him... but there does seem to be alot of good things going on in the country.
Some. Thank President Obama for a lot of that. Like Donald with his father, he's riding Obama's coattails on a lot of it and taking credit. Oh, sure. I don't disagree he's sped things up some. But I like a little regulation if it means a slightly worse economy but our rivers aren't polluted. But I digress...
Meanwhile, the Democrats have (somehow) become even more repugnant than Trump.
No. You're wrong and you need to be told that more often. It won't help, but you need to hear it.
I'll end with this tonight. I actually think you're a genuinely good dude who'd do that whole shirt off your back thing for anybody of any color/religion/orientation regardless of what they've done. But it seriously fascinates me how you can be so wrong on so many things that are simply moral. Fleecing the taxpayer your entire life is bad. Hateful rhetoric on the media is bad. ... WHITE SUPREMACISTS are shit.
Perhaps that red hat truly is magic.
For the umpteenth time: I didn't vote for Trump... and I don't recall excusing anything that he's done. What I HAVE tried to do is point out the hypocrisy of those who suddenly think that character matters- when it never did before. I have no problem saying that Trump is NOT a good person. But- in my opinion- there ARE some good things going on in our country right now. Some are biased by my view of life... some seem pretty universally obvious. I just do not happen to give Obama credit for the relatively sudden turn-around of our economy. IF Obama was the cause, why did it take more than 8 years for his "plan" to kick in?
As for the Democrats- yes, what they've done is as (if not more) repugnant than the Donald. You and I won't agree on this: but since I believe that each unborn child is a unique human life (which science backs up), I cannot consider abortion as anything other than a modern-day holocaust. And the Democrats support it with all of their might.
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