Keenum

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I get the injury thing.  But at what point do we put Hunter over there and Brian playing?  Or something.  

He wasnt doing his job.  

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@"BarrNone55" said:
The D completely shit the bed, and that's on Case? Wow...breath taking stupidity...

Nobody is putting it solely on Case it was a team loss and he is part of that-i.e. pick 6, lowest 3rd down conversion rate of the year, red zone turnovers, missed passes.   He hardly moved out of the pocket last night, was that game plan, him, or maybe defensive design?


Defense tackling and coverage breakdowns along with offensive turnovers sunk the ship.  It was uncanny how the defense would get Foles in 3rd and long and they would convert again and again, the Vikings would put themselves in 3rd and manageable repeatedly and fail.

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@comet52 said:
Last night was maybe a silver lining, because it takes pressure off the front office to overpay Keenum or even commit to him.   Outside of the purple koolaid crowd, the limits to his game have been apparent for some time, and I say that while also appreciating what he's done and the fire and competitiveness he brought to the team this year.   But at the same, as I posted elsewhere, at least once a game he makes you close your eyes and pray that the wobbly wounded duck he just tossed up doesn't end up in the opponnent's hands or worse a pick 6.

If I were Spielman and the doctors assured me Bradfords knees were going to hold up, I'd target him as #1 and the future would be to see what Sloter can do.   I'd let Case go find his market whatever that is, and see if Teddy wants to be #2 at lower $ (or maybe force the tolling issue?  Probably not a great idea but possible?), though I think Teddy would probably rather find a desperate team to take cap friendly chance on him and his knees than be a backup.   I don't know how much Zimmer's love affair with Teddy enters in this either.

Regardless, the silver lining is that none of these three should cost top $ because of the question marks about all of them.

Thats the way im leaning. Resign Sam as the starter. 

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@Tom Moore said:

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It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

Griffen has been playing with a foot injury for 6 weeks.  You will note that his sack total stopped about that point

So what you’re saying is that we’ve had 6 weeks to figure
this out?

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@medaille said:

@Tom Moore said:

@A1Janitor said:
It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

Griffen has been playing with a foot injury for 6 weeks.  You will note that his sack total stopped about that point

So what you’re saying is that we’ve had 6 weeks to figure
this out?

That's a good point.  The Vikings go and completely blow up their offensive line right before the playoffs (which really killed us IMO) but yet can't get imaginative enough to do anything to help compensate for EG's injury and the concerning lack of a pass rush that was obvious for the last month of the season?  Move Hunter over there, have Robison take over Hunter's old spot, whatever, but do SOMETHING to get some %#!%#%!@#% pressure on the QB!!!

Nick $%#!@%@#! Foles just looked like the greatest QB of all time against us, god that is frustrating.

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I was all in on the guy. He played with everything I love to watch. Guts, fire, and was just plain fun during the season.

I think the most important decision to be made on Keenum is this... if the Franchise Tag is $23M, can we get something better with that $23M? On the free agent market, what does $23M get us? Does $24 - $25M get us a significant upgrade?

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$23M? Franchise tag? Come on, folks, his market price is dependent on other teams being willing to pay to try to take him away. Do you really think that is likely now? Fair or not, he just had his biggest exposure to the rest of the league - especially owners, who have to agree to big FA contracts - in the last two games, and I saw nothing that is going to make GMs and owners put Case Keenum high on their free agency lists. Besides, his only impressive stats are the wins he achieved with the Vikings, and an embarrassing playoff loss devalues those. His career-best season and he threw 22 TDs; his best isn't especially eye-catching.
REGRESSION TO THE MEAN: that's what everyone will be saying about Keenum now. History says, with a high degree of accuracy, that "out of nowhere" players go back to their former state.
I think we offer Keenum a 2-3 year deal for less than $15M each season, assuming the team doesn't decide Bridgewater or Bradford are preferable.
To me, Keenum's season leaves the team in a bad position for the future. He played well enough - in wins, at least - that we couldn't bench him. But due to that, we never found out what shape Bridgewater and Bradford are in. (It's very interesting to me that as soon as Bradford was healthy, the coaches demoted Bridgewater to 3rd-string...)
They had to stick with Keenum once he got hot, because his hot streak might have carried the team all the way. But it didn't, so they invested an entire season in a player who will probably never play as well again.

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@A1Janitor said:
It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

It was a case of plantar fasciitis impacting him. That was a factor as well.

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@Jor-El said:
$23M? Franchise tag? Come on, folks, his market price is dependent on other teams being willing to pay to try to take him away. Do you really think that is likely now? Fair or not, he just had his biggest exposure to the rest of the league - especially owners, who have to agree to big FA contracts - in the last two games, and I saw nothing that is going to make GMs and owners put Case Keenum high on their free agency lists. Besides, his only impressive stats are the wins he achieved with the Vikings, and an embarrassing playoff loss devalues those. His career-best season and he threw 22 TDs; his best isn't especially eye-catching.
REGRESSION TO THE MEAN: that's what everyone will be saying about Keenum now. History says, with a high degree of accuracy, that "out of nowhere" players go back to their former state.
I think we offer Keenum a 2-3 year deal for less than $15M each season, assuming the team doesn't decide Bridgewater or Bradford are preferable.
To me, Keenum's season leaves the team in a bad position for the future. He played well enough - in wins, at least - that we couldn't bench him. But due to that, we never found out what shape Bridgewater and Bradford are in. (It's very interesting to me that as soon as Bradford was healthy, the coaches demoted Bridgewater to 3rd-string...)
They had to stick with Keenum once he got hot, because his hot streak might have carried the team all the way. But it didn't, so they invested an entire season in a player who will probably never play as well again.

Just to be clear- I was not endorsing giving him the franchise tag... Just making sure I didn't come out looking in favor of that.

Jay Glazer noted before the game something about the Vikings franchising or transition tagging him. I just have a hard time with that. That money gets us a hell of a lot of QB.

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@A1Janitor said:
It wasn't Zimmer who didn't contain the run.  It was EG.

He is a little overrated imo.  As is Hunter.  

Griffen has been hurting and gave it all he had. He hasn't had that burst we all know and that foot was a major problem.