11-30-2017, 10:21 PM
Quote: @pumpf said:
Or you could say that we actually live in a MORE moral time where people are free to live and love as they choose (as long as it doesn't hurt someone else) without feeling ostracized and excluded.@medaille said:
@greediron said:
I don’t agree with the notion that our culture (defined as@medaille said:
I think the real issue here (well in general) has less to do
with the sexual harassment itself and more to do with it being covered up for
so long to the point that you end up with a situation that could be considered “The
Swamp” that would need to be drained.
While Trump has typically referred to Washington as the Swamp, I think
the media and Hollywood could very well be lumped into that category given how
much influence they have over people.
What we are seeing here is just the first part of the draining of the
swamp. Agreed. Our culture is a swamp. The amount of porn consumed can't not have an affect on how we treat each other. Our society has no moral baseline anymore, so people think they can just do what feels right.
all of us) is a swamp. I think people are
generally confused with how to act with people intimately. I think people are
mostly just awkward, because we, as a society, have completely ignored
socialization skills and make people figure it out on their own. I don’t believe that watching porn is going
to make most guys start to grope women or try to abuse a position of power, just like playing video games doesn't make you want to kill people. I don’t think that the sexual harassment/assault/etc.
that comes from lack of socialization is the same thing as someone who has a
position of power and is now trying to use that power to force other people to
do their bidding.
I think the swamp is a small group (relative to the size of
our population) that controlled a lot of key political and media positions and
could ensure that neither the law nor the media could affect them as they preyed
upon others. But that game is over now. What they used to be able to keep hidden is
no longer going to be able to be kept hidden.
Although we agree that it might be a small minority of people comprising "the swamp", there are a number of laws (that govern all of us) that are the result of the moral relativism that Greed was talking about. I'm not sure it started with gay marriage... but that certainly accelerated things. Now you've got laws (not suggestions, mind you) that make it legal for boys to compete in girls' events... not to mention be in their locker-rooms- and the schools have to go along with it. You have schools that- by choice or compulsion- are celebrating (promoting) all kinds of "lifestyles" that are not only (generally speaking) rejected as wrong/immoral by the majority of the people in our country... but also completely incompatible with science and reason. And all of these things are predicated on the notion that you should do whatever makes you happy. There are no (established and protected) boundaries any more. Instead, those things that led to the common good are being mocked and torn down as out-dated and "immoral" (ironic, really, to call it that). I'm not excusing what any of these folks have done; but it's hard to sit by and listen to certain folks "moralize" about things... when they have supported this downward slide all along.
Plus, you can't tell me this sexual harassment by people in power has only begun recently. Maybe it's another good sign that these perpetrators are now being exposed and punished instead of having it all swept under the rug and covered up like it has been forever.
But having said all of that, it's good to see you posting here again pumpf.
