Traitor in Chief Trump Has His Buddy's Back

[purplefaithful]

Winston Churchill was an historically good PM who led Britain admirably through a terrible war. He inherited a brutal mess from Neville Chamberlain (to say the least.)

Churchill was voted out in 1945.

I bring this up because I think Zelensky (like Churchill) was at his best as a war time leader. But he may not be a leader capable of getting Ukraine to peace.

[badgervike]

Winston Churchill was an historically good PM who led Britain admirably through a terrible war. He inherited a brutal mess from Neville Chamberlain (to say the least.)

Churchill was voted out in 1945.

I bring this up because I think Zelensky (like Churchill) was at his best as a war time leader. But he may not be a leader capable of getting Ukraine to peace.

Zelensky said in London that "A deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia “is still very, very far away,”.  Doesn't sound like a guy that knows how to pivot from war to peace.  He's losing a war with heavy financial and military backing from his benefactors....and starting to piss them off as well.  Nobody is going to give him an open ended commitment. There's going to be a lot of dead Ukrainians if Z doesn't come to his senses.

I still get the feeling that we may be playing "good cop, bad cop" with the French and Brits to try to get Z to start negotiating in good faith to end the conflict. Without our backing, Z knows that Kyiv (and the Ukraine) falls. The Europeans can "attempt" to secure our backing for a short period while a deal gets negotiated. It will then be up to the Europeans and Americans to threaten sanctions, etc. on Russia and hold Russia accountable to any agreement made.

[Waterboy]

Zelensky said in London that "A deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia “is still very, very far away,”.  Doesn't sound like a guy that knows how to pivot from war to peace.  He's losing a war with heavy financial and military backing from his benefactors....and starting to piss them off as well.  Nobody is going to give him an open ended commitment.  There's going to be a lot of dead Ukrainians if Z doesn't come to his senses.

He's definitely more persuaded by the false bravado of Western Europe and war mongering senators in the US than he should be.  Once Trump slams the door he's screwed.  It will take an act of brinksmanship on Trump's part.  All of the TDS crowd will come out and lose their minds, and then Zelenskyy will finally capitulate and the left will still act like Trump just "lucked out".  We've seen it over and over again.

[badgervike]

He's definitely more persuaded by the false bravado of Western Europe and war mongering senators in the US than he should be.  

I'm thinking more and more that he's more persuaded by the amount of aid money ending up in his accounts.  I know, I know Zanary.  Zelensky says he's only worth $20M and Zelensky don't lie...

[Waterboy]

I'm thinking more and more that he's more persuaded by the amount of aid money ending up in his accounts.  I know, I know Zanary.  Zelensky says he's only worth $20M and Zelensky don't lie...

I totally agree with you.  He's the type that will attempt to fly the coup and live somewhere remote and live off of his US bankroll well into the future.   He can do his cocaine in peace that way.  The guy is getting a free pass because the sheeple follow the news and never question why things happen as they do.  Because Putin is bad, Zelenskyy must be good.  I think that's hardly the case here.  In many situations, it's just the degree of how bad they are.  Zelenskyy favor jar is now empty as it should be.

[JimmyinSD]

And all I get from you is Trump apologism, cherry picking, and obvious biases that you try and deny...but, hey, I just have very low expectations!

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...and, for today's NON SHOCKER: Trump's still Russia's Bestie!

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/kremlin-s...ur-vision/

“The new [U.S.] administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. This largely coincides with our vision,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday in a video published on Telegram.

Team Orange Boi must be at their proudest!

yeah,  Im on here banging that Trump drum.   Honestly the ukraine mess isnt his, he could right on letting Russia rip them a new ass and walk away, instead he is trying to help broker peace as he too likely knows its our govt's involvement that led to this mess to begin with.

youre insistance that he is working with/for Russia is beyond foolish,  you are letting your hatred of him cloud your reason.

[badgervike]

I totally agree with you.  He's the type that will attempt to fly the coup and live somewhere remote and live off of his US bankroll well into the future.   He can do his cocaine in peace that way.  The guy is getting a free pass because the sheeple follow the news and never question why things happen as they do.  Because Putin is bad, Zelenskyy must be good.  I think that's hardly the case here.  In many situations, it's just the degree of how bad they are.  Zelenskyy favor jar is now empty as it should be.

If you were Zelensky and had lost so many citizens and towns in an increasingly losing war over the last 3 years, tell me why you wouldn't at least let the Europeans and Americans use their political, economic and military might to attempt to broker a deal for your country?  Why wouldn't you at least let them try???  Why would you summarily torpedo the process...unless there's something to me made by continuing the war.  The Ukrainians are already taking people off the street to fight...that's unsustainable as is the current level of support from their European and American benefactors.  Z's only hope is to find a way to directly involve the US or Europe in the conflict..a point he tacitly made in that White House meeting.

[Zanary]

Well, let's see:

1. There seem to be people that think having a known, constant liar who compliments Putin constantly should negotiate...in Ukraine's interests? That's babbling insanity, at best.

2. Similarly in the lunatic fringe, the anti-psychology opinion that rewarding the actions of a mass rape/murderer oligarch with territory and assurances will dissuade similar endeavors in the future. WOW. That's a massive, dual affront to both psychology and history.

3. The undercurrent of "the Ukrainians deserve this" for not giving in is right up there with the infamous suggestion to "may as well lie back and enjoy the rape". Holy s**t, what a right wing we have nowadays.

4. Oh, and the "Zelenskyy seems like the sort to just bail with the quadrillions of stolen aid" mindset...considering what he's actively stayed through, and how much he endures vs the accusatory clown that probably get hostile from a 10 minute wi-fi blackout, is contrary to displayed actions. Yes, I overstated that, trying to match the level of ridiculousness involved.

5. My hatred for our junk president didn't create the decades of on-book lies, the philandering, the petulant behaviors, the misogyny, the massive DOGE errors, the absolute arrogance in the face of any accountability, nor the ridiculousness of everything from his hero cards and complete fictions in any statistics he wants to spin in his speeches. That's all on records, most with easy video evidence and/or public records, and all, somehow, dismissed by his fan clubs and those who think that he, and a similarly proven mass murderer, have a "peace plan".

It's fuggin' astounding, no wonder the Russian press loves it.

[badgervike]

Well, let's see:

1. There seem to be people that think having a known, constant liar who compliments Putin constantly should negotiate...in Ukraine's interests? That's babbling insanity, at best.

2.  Similarly in the lunatic fringe, the anti-psychology opinion that rewarding the actions of a mass rape/murderer oligarch with territory and assurances will dissuade similar endeavors in the future. WOW. That's a massive, dual affront to both psychology and history.

3.  The undercurrent of "the Ukrainians deserve this" for not giving in is right up there with the infamous suggestion to "may as well lie back and enjoy the rape". Holy s**t, what a right wing we have nowadays.

4.  Oh, and the "Zelenskyy seems like the sort to just bail with the quadrillions of stolen aid" mindset...considering what he's actively stayed through, and how much he endures vs the accusatory clown that probably get hostile from a 10 minute wi-fi blackout, is contrary to displayed actions. Yes, I overstated that, trying to match the level of ridiculousness involved.

5.  My hatred for our junk president didn't create the decades of on-book lies, the philandering, the petulant behaviors, the misogyny, the massive DOGE errors, the absolute arrogance in the face of any accountability, nor the ridiculousness of everything from his hero cards and complete fictions in any statistics he wants to spin in his speeches. That's all on records, most with easy video evidence and/or public records, and all, somehow, dismissed by his fan clubs and those who think that he, and a similarly proven mass murderer, have a "peace plan".

It's fuggin' astounding, no wonder the Russian press loves it.

Well...you convinced me Z.  Never surrender...never negotiate.  A lot of of foreign aid to ensure that more Ukrainians die slower.  They should hold out until they get their full list of demands...

The time to have addressed this was years ago when it was a minor border skirmish...but your boy Biden (and Obama prior) and the Europeans did nothing to stop Putin.    It's the new liberal mindset  You're aware that Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Dombas under Biden...and were buoyed by the disastrous Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan...but Trump makes you feel bad...and feelings are more important than facts.  

Tell your friends to get out while they can...or risk being yet another casualty of this war because evidently Z is going to fight to the death.

You're angry with the guy trying to end the killing because you don't like Trump.  The Ukrainians are slowly losing this war.  Russia is investing a lot in weaponry and is perfectly willing to win a battle of attrition.  I don't like it any better than you do...but Ukrainians will surely die and Ukraine will cease to exist if we maintain the status quo.

If you don't let the US and Europeans attempt to negotiate a settlement now...there will be less and less to negotiate as time goes on.

[Zanary]

Well...you convinced me Z.  Never surrender...never negotiate.  A lot of of foreign aid to ensure that more Ukrainians die slower.  They should hold out until they get their full list of demands...

The time to have addressed this was years ago when it was a minor border skirmish...but your boy Biden (and Obama prior) and the Europeans did nothing to stop Putin.    It's the new liberal mindset  You're aware that Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Dombas under Biden...and were buoyed by the disastrous Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan...but Trump makes you feel bad...and feelings are more important than facts.  

Tell your friends to get out while they can...or risk being yet another casualty of this war because evidently Z is going to fight to the death.

You're angry with the guy trying to end the killing because you don't like Trump.  The Ukrainians are slowly losing this war.  Russia is investing a lot in weaponry and is perfectly willing to win a battle of attrition.  I don't like it any better than you do...but Ukrainians will surely die and Ukraine will cease to exist if we maintain the status quo.

If you don't let the US and Europeans attempt to negotiate a settlement now...there will be less and less to negotiate as time goes on.

It's like honesty is impossible for some of you. I didn't say "never negotiate", I pointed out that orange boi is all about himself AND very consistently complimentary toward Ukraine's attacker, putting him in a bad light as the negotiator. How, in any universe, is this unreasonable?

Secondly, "my boy Biden"? Again, you've been a liar about this before, so I shouldn't be surprised...but, given the times I've been clear about him as a vacuous liar himself (well back into his senator and VP days, which I've referenced)...you're basically choosing to be junk in this situation. Quit assigning things to me that I don't say, maybe be a less disappointing person? Give it a go.

No wonder our lying filth boi president has such a loyal, equally bent following Holy S**T, kids...!

I don't believe that Trump cares one whit about peace, he wants to be seen making THE DEAL in front of as many cameras as possible. This fully insane belief, that the ONLY path to peace, the ONLY way forward, is some deal that is drawn up by a (again, interesting how little this matters to some) a KNOWN LIAR AND CON MAN who's arguably in Vlad's pocket; "the Donald" has already shown heavy favoritism to Russia over Ukraine repeatedly. "Tyrant" vs "really brilliant guy, we have great conversations", anyone?

Just because a "deal" is drawn up, that guarantees nothing about its quality...and its so-called architect has both horrible character and motivations.

My folks tell a different story, and I'm ALL FUGGING FOR letting real negotiations take place, but the assumption that the worst person possible has the only path to peace is full-on delusion. His word is garbage, why does anyone assume that it's suddenly magical?

Try and actually reference what I said, instead of your weird BS-fetishes, this time. Strive for better!