Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I disagree with most takes here.
First, I don’t see KOC as attached to Kwesi at all, not even a little bit. Kwesi is responsible for the roster. He’s responsible for the dumpster fire that was 2022 round 1.
Cousins contract should have been done last year. I don’t think his injury would have had freaking out. We’d simply be waiting for progress reports and discussing drafting his successor this draft. Not signing him showed me fear, not logic. It wasn’t a diffuclt decision and still isn’t.
The liklihood KAM will get a better deal with Cousins after free agency is zero. His best time was a month ago. Cousins is already hearing numbers and they are going up, not down. He took an undervalued contract on his last one. He likely wants to know he won’t be dumped after a year which should be of no shock to anyone after KAM played this game last time. At his age, he just wants to be where he’s wanted and has some peace knowing his situation going forward. Anyone in his position would want exactly the same thing.
Unless he can swing Russ Wilson and he plays well, this will be a massive failure on Kwesi’s part. The Wilf’s love Cousins and I wouldn’t be surprised if this puts KAM on the hot seat. It will be a spot he has earned.
The fact that the team is facing a huge dead cap hit was created by Kwesi. I thought it was stupid at the time and still do.
Cousins should already be signed and that position clear. It was number one priority for anyone who knows what they are doing. Draft a rookie in 1 and he also represents your go to if Cousins gets hurt. That rookie is on a rookie contract. This is the most important position on your tream by far.
In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious KAM has done s poor job.
Best take on here today thats for sure. KAM has screwed the pooch on this one. He 2 days left to unscrew the pooch.
If they're planning on dumping Kirko, they should already have agreed to and announced their trade up in the draft for a rookie. Otherwise they go into that negotiation needing a QB one we don't have. Quite frankly, they should have re-signed Kirko AND traded for whichever QB they think they need. They knew the QB position was going to be an issue and have known since last year. Dumping your starter with no path is foolish at best and negligent at worst.
If they had no intention of keeping Hunter they should have moved him as well prior to the deadline. The moment Kirk's Achilles blew, we were done for the year.
Hindsight is 20/20 but I'm getting off the KAM bandwagon. KOC still seems like a fantastic head coach in the making.
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Dont think I am looking forward to Monday. Not hard to see another 5-7 win team in 2024 w/out a healthy KC at QB.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Dont think I am looking forward to Monday. Not hard to see another 5-7 win team in 2024 w/out a healthy KC at QB.
No doubt the Vikings are contenders with Cousins and likely not without. If we fail to sign Cousins, we have to get a little lucky in the draft.
Either way, this is still a team with JJ, Addison, TJ, an above average OL, a BFlo defense and a lot of money to spend on free agents. Whether it's Wilson, Mayfield, Darnold, a rookie, or a combination of two, the fact remains that none of them have ever had weapons like they will have in Minnesota.
If the Vikings fail to sign Cousins and then don't immediately turn that added headroom to secure Hunter and/or a handful of top free agents, I will be very surprised.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:If the Vikings fail to sign Cousins and then don't immediately turn that added headroom to secure Hunter and/or a handful of top free agents, I will be very surprised.
Hmm. Kwesi's value approach puts a price on a player and then sticks to it. It's the stock trader approach - establish what you think the value price is and never let emotion enter into a buying/selling decision.
So does Kirk leaving somehow change the value he puts on Hunter? This is not the Wall Street trader's methodology - "A stock I wanted got away, so I'll overpay for this other one now."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Dont think I am looking forward to Monday. Not hard to see another 5-7 win team in 2024 w/out a healthy KC at QB.
No doubt the Vikings are contenders with Cousins and likely not without. If we fail to sign Cousins, we have to get a little lucky in the draft.
Either way, this is still a team with JJ, Addison, TJ, an above average OL, a BFlo defense and a lot of money to spend on free agents. Whether it's Wilson, Mayfield, Darnold, a rookie, or a combination of two, the fact remains that none of them have ever had weapons like they will have in Minnesota.
If the Vikings fail to sign Cousins and then don't immediately turn that added headroom to secure Hunter and/or a handful of top free agents, I will be very surprised.
It's truly an extraordinary window of time in the franchise...
We've all seen it coming for a while and it's here in a few days.
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:If the Vikings fail to sign Cousins and then don't immediately turn that added headroom to secure Hunter and/or a handful of top free agents, I will be very surprised.
Hmm. Kwesi's value approach puts a price on a player and then sticks to it. It's the stock trader approach - establish what you think the value price is and never let emotion enter into a buying/selling decision.
So does Kirk leaving somehow change the value he puts on Hunter? This is not the Wall Street trader's methodology - "A stock I wanted got away, so I'll overpay for this other one now."
Yeah, of course. This isn't the stock market. If the Vikings don't have Kirk's big dollars clogging up future years, it frees them up financially to do a number of things. If it's not Hunter it will be someone like him.
I mean isn't that the whole point? Is that what we've been hearing from the Kirk haters? Move on from that Kohl's cashin' greedy motherfucker so we can have some money to build up our roster?
Hell, if we fail to land Cousins AND Hunter AND fail to sign any top free agents, then what's the point of having $150M in cap space next year?
And I sure as hell hope you're wrong about Kwesi's methodology, because that is the exact wrong way to run a franchise. You have to be elastic and adapt based on changes in cap reality, the market and new information.
"The mark of wisdom is the ability to change your mind in the face of new facts." -- someone smart
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ MaroonBells said:If the Vikings fail to sign Cousins and then don't immediately turn that added headroom to secure Hunter and/or a handful of top free agents, I will be very surprised.
Hmm. Kwesi's value approach puts a price on a player and then sticks to it. It's the stock trader approach - establish what you think the value price is and never let emotion enter into a buying/selling decision.
So does Kirk leaving somehow change the value he puts on Hunter? This is not the Wall Street trader's methodology - "A stock I wanted got away, so I'll overpay for this other one now."
Man I hope you are wrong on Kwesi approaching this like stocks. That would be insanely naive if he is. There are thousands of stocks while there are 15 or so solid NFL QB’s. There are maybe 8 at Cousins level or better. It’s a highly limited commodity and you HAVE to have it. It isn’t optional. If I were owner and I heard him say something like that, I’d fire him immediately. That would make it obvious he doesn’t get it.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Dont think I am looking forward to Monday. Not hard to see another 5-7 win team in 2024 w/out a healthy KC at QB.
Going to be on Kam/Koc to field a competitive team no matter who’s at QB. If they cant do that, then they will be job hunting.
This is like sitting there and watching a hurricane bear down on you. All is calm right now, but you know a disaster is headed your way. The closer this game of chicken gets down to the wire, the worse I feel about our chances of securing Kirk and/or a quality QBOTF
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