Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
I think he brings a fresh perspective that is needed. He will get input from scouts.
Here are some examples of coaches and executives who played football. They didn't have much football experience. Also the experience was some time ago for a couple of them.
Belichick has a Bachelors degree in Economics. He played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan University. Some seriously competitive football. He played in the early 70's.
Shanahan caught 14 passes at University of Texas at Austin. 14 passes?
McVay had 34 receptions at Miami of Ohio.
Polian played for the NYU Violets. Degree in History. Successful executive.
It depends on the personality regarding leadership. When it comes to coaching, football experience can be helpful. As an executive, not as much.
This can be spun a million different ways. I can go on about the GM's of these coaches you mentioned having at the very least played at the college level (Lynch being a Hall of Famer). Mensah never played, went to Princeton and was a stock trader before getting on with the 49ers as a research guy and numbers cruncher. He may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's a huge leap of faith to put someone with a background like that in charge of building a championship roster. No personal experience playing the game and no real scouting experience. Wilfs would really be rolling the dice here. And again, I hope this is more about winning football games then the Wilfs receiving kudos and pats on the back from the commissioner and Stephen A Smith for the hire. I look at the resumes of some of these other people we interviewed for the GM job and someone like John Spytek's absolutely blows Mensah's out of the water completely. So really hoping this is about picking the best person for the job and not about skin color since we've had two "white guys" in those positions the last 8 years and now changing it up due to the political climate in Minneapolis. Hate to say it..but it smells like that is a possibility.
Lynch is definitely an exception as far as how well he is doing. He went to Stanford and studied in the Management Science and Engineering department, focusing on decision making. I’d say education played a role as well. So the "skin color" issue is not a thing with Poles because he fits the so-called traditional path of NFL GM? It seems you care more about skin color. Do you seriously think the Wilfs are going to hire someone that is not qualified with the amount of money they invested? The Wilfs stated the goal is to win championships. It seems that change was needed. The same old approach did nothing.
I have zero problem with them making a change at GM, but if we come out of this entire process with Mensah it's a questionable decision based on his background and general lack of overall experience. Go compare the resume of Mensah's to Spytek. It's not comparable, which leads me to bring up race and wondering if that played a factor in them pushing Mensah through for the job operating in a PC hot bed like Minneapolis. I mean you really can't dispute any of that. Like I said, I've been a Viking fan for 45 years and want nothing more then for them to win one before my time on this earth is over. I don't care how that gets done, but if Mensah is the hire it's a hugely questionable decision...regardless of anything.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
I think he brings a fresh perspective that is needed. He will get input from scouts.
Here are some examples of coaches and executives who played football. They didn't have much football experience. Also the experience was some time ago for a couple of them.
Belichick has a Bachelors degree in Economics. He played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan University. Some seriously competitive football. He played in the early 70's.
Shanahan caught 14 passes at University of Texas at Austin. 14 passes?
McVay had 34 receptions at Miami of Ohio.
Polian played for the NYU Violets. Degree in History. Successful executive.
It depends on the personality regarding leadership. When it comes to coaching, football experience can be helpful. As an executive, not as much.
This can be spun a million different ways. I can go on about the GM's of these coaches you mentioned having at the very least played at the college level (Lynch being a Hall of Famer). Mensah never played, went to Princeton and was a stock trader before getting on with the 49ers as a research guy and numbers cruncher. He may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's a huge leap of faith to put someone with a background like that in charge of building a championship roster. No personal experience playing the game and no real scouting experience. Wilfs would really be rolling the dice here. And again, I hope this is more about winning football games then the Wilfs receiving kudos and pats on the back from the commissioner and Stephen A Smith for the hire. I look at the resumes of some of these other people we interviewed for the GM job and someone like John Spytek's absolutely blows Mensah's out of the water completely. So really hoping this is about picking the best person for the job and not about skin color since we've had two "white guys" in those positions the last 8 years and now changing it up due to the political climate in Minneapolis. Hate to say it..but it smells like that is a possibility.
Theres loads of people to choose from. Black, white, brown and orobably every shade in between. If we’re going to start not seeing color then we need to start not seeing it. I doubt the color of the guys skin had any difference in the choice. If he can bring a new spin to an old job, I rhink thats great.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
I think he brings a fresh perspective that is needed. He will get input from scouts.
Here are some examples of coaches and executives who played football. They didn't have much football experience. Also the experience was some time ago for a couple of them.
Belichick has a Bachelors degree in Economics. He played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan University. Some seriously competitive football. He played in the early 70's.
Shanahan caught 14 passes at University of Texas at Austin. 14 passes?
McVay had 34 receptions at Miami of Ohio.
Polian played for the NYU Violets. Degree in History. Successful executive.
It depends on the personality regarding leadership. When it comes to coaching, football experience can be helpful. As an executive, not as much.
This can be spun a million different ways. I can go on about the GM's of these coaches you mentioned having at the very least played at the college level (Lynch being a Hall of Famer). Mensah never played, went to Princeton and was a stock trader before getting on with the 49ers as a research guy and numbers cruncher. He may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's a huge leap of faith to put someone with a background like that in charge of building a championship roster. No personal experience playing the game and no real scouting experience. Wilfs would really be rolling the dice here. And again, I hope this is more about winning football games then the Wilfs receiving kudos and pats on the back from the commissioner and Stephen A Smith for the hire. I look at the resumes of some of these other people we interviewed for the GM job and someone like John Spytek's absolutely blows Mensah's out of the water completely. So really hoping this is about picking the best person for the job and not about skin color since we've had two "white guys" in those positions the last 8 years and now changing it up due to the political climate in Minneapolis. Hate to say it..but it smells like that is a possibility.
Theres loads of people to choose from. Black, white, brown and orobably every shade in between. If we’re going to start not seeing color then we need to start not seeing it. I doubt the color of the guys skin had any difference in the choice. If he can bring a new spin to an old job, I rhink thats great.
Again compare his resume to Spyteks. I think the fact that Spielman and Wilf were white, George Floyd happened, and that Minneapolis is a hugely liberal state...it would be a huge coup for the Wilfs to hire only the 3rd black GM currently in the league. All the pundits will praise them for it for nothing more then skin color....but what will the results ultimately be on the football field? So yes I think the fact that Mensah is black played a role in him getting GM interviews at this relatively young point in his career because his actual football experience is limited. The league is pushing this exact kind of thing in the name of "inclusion." I just hope the Wilfs make the choice for what's in the best interest of the franchise and not in the best interest of what they view as social justice.
If Spytek is such a superior prospect, why didn't every team interview him?
Minnesota was the only franchise to bring him in.
I'm sure media praise is high on the Wilfs list for running a billion dollar enterprise.
Jfc.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
I think he brings a fresh perspective that is needed. He will get input from scouts.
Here are some examples of coaches and executives who played football. They didn't have much football experience. Also the experience was some time ago for a couple of them.
Belichick has a Bachelors degree in Economics. He played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan University. Some seriously competitive football. He played in the early 70's.
Shanahan caught 14 passes at University of Texas at Austin. 14 passes?
McVay had 34 receptions at Miami of Ohio.
Polian played for the NYU Violets. Degree in History. Successful executive.
It depends on the personality regarding leadership. When it comes to coaching, football experience can be helpful. As an executive, not as much.
This can be spun a million different ways. I can go on about the GM's of these coaches you mentioned having at the very least played at the college level (Lynch being a Hall of Famer). Mensah never played, went to Princeton and was a stock trader before getting on with the 49ers as a research guy and numbers cruncher. He may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's a huge leap of faith to put someone with a background like that in charge of building a championship roster. No personal experience playing the game and no real scouting experience. Wilfs would really be rolling the dice here. And again, I hope this is more about winning football games then the Wilfs receiving kudos and pats on the back from the commissioner and Stephen A Smith for the hire. I look at the resumes of some of these other people we interviewed for the GM job and someone like John Spytek's absolutely blows Mensah's out of the water completely. So really hoping this is about picking the best person for the job and not about skin color since we've had two "white guys" in those positions the last 8 years and now changing it up due to the political climate in Minneapolis. Hate to say it..but it smells like that is a possibility.
Theres loads of people to choose from. Black, white, brown and orobably every shade in between. If we’re going to start not seeing color then we need to start not seeing it. I doubt the color of the guys skin had any difference in the choice. If he can bring a new spin to an old job, I rhink thats great.
Again compare his resume to Spyteks. I think the fact that Spielman and Wilf were white, George Floyd happened, and that Minneapolis is a hugely liberal state...it would be a huge coup for the Wilfs to hire only the 3rd black GM currently in the league. All the pundits will praise them for it for nothing more then skin color....but what will the results ultimately be on the football field? So yes I think the fact that Mensah is black played a role in him getting GM interviews at this relatively young point in his career because his actual football experience is limited. The league is pushing this exact kind of thing in the name of "inclusion." I just hope the Wilfs make the choice for what's in the best interest of the franchise and not in the best interest of what they view as social justice.
Interesting you say that, it is 1/2 true and how we're known across the country.
Mpls/St Paul and their surrounding burbs (Hennepin and Ramsey Counties) are liberal and have the bulk of what little ethnicity there is here. Its the bulk of population too.
Whites are almost 83%. I remember back in my corporate days, it was difficult to recruit and retain multicultural talent.
The rural areas? They're white as wonderbread and conservative as Pence.
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Just when I thought it couldn't get any more grotesque.
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Quote: @JustinTime18™ said:
If Spytek is such a superior prospect, why didn't every team interview him?
Minnesota was the only franchise to bring him in.
I'm sure media praise is high on the Wilfs list for running a billion dollar enterprise.
Jfc.
Not sure, why didn't every franchise interview Mensah if he's some revelutionary candidate? When comparing the resumes side by side, Spytek clearly is the more experienced candidate and the Bucs have had some of the best drafts in the league the last few years, so....
Quote: @Rigby said:
@ Caactorvike said:
God I hope so, VG! He sounds like Ted Lasso to me. Loved that show but it’s a fantasy. I’m glad he has a sense of humor and good people skills but can he evaluate talent? The whole Poles-to-Bears thing reminds me of the year we got leaped over in the draft by a couple of teams and then drafted Kevin Williams —saying he was our choice all along. I hope Kwesi Adofo Mensah turns out to be just as great a choice. I’m totally willing to climb on board but it’s a great leap of faith!
Agreed. P.S. We enjoyed your work on The Rookie this week.
Quote: @Rigby said:
@ Caactorvike said:
God I hope so, VG! He sounds like Ted Lasso to me. Loved that show but it’s a fantasy. I’m glad he has a sense of humor and good people skills but can he evaluate talent? The whole Poles-to-Bears thing reminds me of the year we got leaped over in the draft by a couple of teams and then drafted Kevin Williams —saying he was our choice all along. I hope Kwesi Adofo Mensah turns out to be just as great a choice. I’m totally willing to climb on board but it’s a great leap of faith!
Agreed. P.S. We enjoyed your work on The Rookie this week.
thank you my friend! much appreciated.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
Just when I thought it couldn't get any more grotesque.
Yes, this x 1 million. It’s unreal.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ Vikergirl said:
I think he brings a fresh perspective that is needed. He will get input from scouts.
Here are some examples of coaches and executives who played football. They didn't have much football experience. Also the experience was some time ago for a couple of them.
Belichick has a Bachelors degree in Economics. He played football and lacrosse at Wesleyan University. Some seriously competitive football. He played in the early 70's.
Shanahan caught 14 passes at University of Texas at Austin. 14 passes?
McVay had 34 receptions at Miami of Ohio.
Polian played for the NYU Violets. Degree in History. Successful executive.
It depends on the personality regarding leadership. When it comes to coaching, football experience can be helpful. As an executive, not as much.
This can be spun a million different ways. I can go on about the GM's of these coaches you mentioned having at the very least played at the college level (Lynch being a Hall of Famer). Mensah never played, went to Princeton and was a stock trader before getting on with the 49ers as a research guy and numbers cruncher. He may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's a huge leap of faith to put someone with a background like that in charge of building a championship roster. No personal experience playing the game and no real scouting experience. Wilfs would really be rolling the dice here. And again, I hope this is more about winning football games then the Wilfs receiving kudos and pats on the back from the commissioner and Stephen A Smith for the hire. I look at the resumes of some of these other people we interviewed for the GM job and someone like John Spytek's absolutely blows Mensah's out of the water completely. So really hoping this is about picking the best person for the job and not about skin color since we've had two "white guys" in those positions the last 8 years and now changing it up due to the political climate in Minneapolis. Hate to say it..but it smells like that is a possibility.
Theres loads of people to choose from. Black, white, brown and orobably every shade in between. If we’re going to start not seeing color then we need to start not seeing it. I doubt the color of the guys skin had any difference in the choice. If he can bring a new spin to an old job, I rhink thats great.
Again compare his resume to Spyteks. I think the fact that Spielman and Wilf were white, George Floyd happened, and that Minneapolis is a hugely liberal state...it would be a huge coup for the Wilfs to hire only the 3rd black GM currently in the league. All the pundits will praise them for it for nothing more then skin color....but what will the results ultimately be on the football field? So yes I think the fact that Mensah is black played a role in him getting GM interviews at this relatively young point in his career because his actual football experience is limited. The league is pushing this exact kind of thing in the name of "inclusion." I just hope the Wilfs make the choice for what's in the best interest of the franchise and not in the best interest of what they view as social justice.
Interesting you say that, it is 1/2 true and how we're known across the country.
Mpls/St Paul and their surrounding burbs (Hennepin and Ramsey Counties) are liberal and have the bulk of what little ethnicity there is here. Its the bulk of population too.
Whites are almost 83%. I remember back in my corporate days, it was difficult to recruit and retain multicultural talent.
The rural areas? They're white as wonderbread and conservative as Pence.
As a liberal trapped in Worthington, I can confirm.
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