Quote: @Wetlander said:
The tweet is one example of an extreme... but is the extreme take an accurate representation of those that think the Vikings can do better at QB?
It's like the pro-Cousins fans that keep spouting the tweet that says Cousins is 5-1 with a ridiculously high QB rating when pressured under 20% or whatever it is in 2020. How much you wanna bet that stat was from both Lions games, Jacksonville, Cowboys, Texans, and the Panthers? All teams that drafted in the top 10 and were awful pressuring the QB. Sure it'd be great if we could play trash teams for all 17 weeks of the regular season, but sooner or later you're going to play a good team, especially in the playoffs.
The fact is Cousins is not an elite QB. He's like Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Jimmy G, Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, etc. who can all play well and lead the team to the playoffs when they have a great team around them, but they aren't elevating a good (flawed) roster to the playoffs.
This discussion is getting stale.
My response to that is, and will remain, that the "elite" tend to have fewer flaws in their protection and/or their teams to overcome.
How many rings has golden boy Russell Wilson had since the "Legion of Boom" splintered?
How much time per snap do QBs like Erin and Brady get, vs what we've settled for during the last decade? Does anyone think they'd win 13 games behind our o-line, with the defense handing over 30 PPG?
It's a fuggin' team sport. Eli Manning has 2 rings, and he's nowhere near elite. Trent Dilfer? Game manager, defined. Nick Foles is basically average in every metric...but was on a team good enough to win the whole thing.
Cousins isn't perfect, but the hatred toward him is pure stupidity. He's waaaaay down the list of the team's problems, and would be far further if he even had middling protection...as opposed to bottom-quarter of the league.
The fixation on QB stats without context is purely for fantasy football dorks, and the hatred toward our most consistent QB in many years is babble by the clueless.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Yep. Its almost like politics. You won't be changing anyone's mind on Kirk Cousins.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Yep. Its almost like politics. You won't be changing anyone's mind on Kirk Cousins. Sticky, I think everyone here wants Kirk to win games for the team. If the team wins the division, wins in the playoffs, and wins the SB, all Longshippers would adore him. So far as a Viking, Kirk has barely sniffed a winning record and only has a single playoff win, and with his huge salary, fans get impatient with a high priced QB on a losing team. If the team starts winning, fans will change their minds on KC. There will be more cheering than bitching for sure.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Yep. Its almost like politics. You won't be changing anyone's mind on Kirk Cousins. Sticky, I think everyone here wants Kirk to win games for the team. If the team wins the division, wins in the playoffs, and wins the SB, all Longshippers would adore him. So far as a Viking, Kirk has barely sniffed a winning record and only has a single playoff win, and with his huge salary, fans get impatient with a high priced QB on a losing team. If the team starts winning, fans will change their minds on KC. There will be more cheering than bitching for sure.
This is the salient point. Win percentage trumps completion percentage. However, may be suggestive of a lack of supporting cast, aka defense, O-line.
Winning cures everything and KC would be revered in the annals of Vikings history if he won a superbowl.
Yep @ jargomcfargo ! Win a Super Bowl and I’m fine with fat extensions for everybody: players, coaches, GMs. Is that prudent? Nope. But I’d much rather see that than be like Philly and win it, then run everybody out of town within a couple of years.
Might be the KC Royals fan in me but I’m still smiling about that 2015 WS some 5 years later. If you get a ring, IMO you’re a made guy. Kirk, Zim, everybody.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Yep. Its almost like politics. You won't be changing anyone's mind on Kirk Cousins. Sticky, I think everyone here wants Kirk to win games for the team. If the team wins the division, wins in the playoffs, and wins the SB, all Longshippers would adore him. So far as a Viking, Kirk has barely sniffed a winning record and only has a single playoff win, and with his huge salary, fans get impatient with a high priced QB on a losing team. If the team starts winning, fans will change their minds on KC. There will be more cheering than bitching for sure.
I hear you, but Cousins gets more of the blame than he should from Vikings fans, period. So we should have kept Case Keenum then if the metric is wins only? Keenum has been with 3 different teams since he left Minnesota.
I don't think anyone 'hates' Cousins, I think they don't appreciate him fully for the most part. There's a lot more that goes into wins and losses than many fans want to get their heads around.
I think it's more of he should not get a pass. We critique defense, offense, OL, special teams, etc. The quarterback is going to get some criticism and he should. We can choose whatever stat there is but the most important one is wins. He has contributed to some of them and he has contributed his share to losses. Whatever anyone thinks of him, he is still the quarterback.
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