Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
They were in the game at the end with a chance to win it. That's better than I expected.
The defense has been together for awhile and is aging before our eyes.
My guess is Rhodes will carry the whipping boy crown for another week. His penalty led to 7 points, but Smith may have been responsible for the long touchdown pass, although I don't see how Rhodes can't see him, up at the line, in front of him.
Smith hasn’t played well for a while.
I could be wrong, but I think Smith was supposed to be at the line, IIRC he came off the line in coverage of a TE or RB that leaked out to that side and didnt see anybody else over there like it was their man. If Rhodes was supposed to have help over top I dont think it was to come from HS.. maybe that is why Rhodes let his man go, but for fuck sake, there has to be some pre snap recognition by Rhodes there to see that his help was at the LOS.
Well it was pretty obvious Rhodes thought he had some help over the top. Not sure who was at fault, maybe since we were 2 deep the whole game, when Smith came up, it wasn't communicated.
It almost looked like Rhodes was expecting to cover the RB in the flat but once HS didn't bail like he often does, Rhodes was in no mans land.
Having played together 5 years, how is it, or why is it that Smith and Rhodes are making rookie mistakes?
That's what I don't get.
The fake punt that went for 25? yards was a dagger. Seattle ST's coach made a call that iced the game IMO.
Quote: @greediron said:
Look, we bitch about everything after a loss and sometimes after a win. We beat Dallas with a specific game plan to not let them get Elliot going. But Dak put up huge numbers. But we won.
Now we have a specific game plan to not let Wilson beat us deep and make their average backs beat us. And it was working. We had the lead at half and got the ball to start the 3rd Q. But the offense failed in that quarter. No drives, fumble, INT (shouldn't have been) and somehow we are surprised Seattle scored off those? And we give up a huge gain on a fake punt? Who was responsible there? It wasn't the defense that didn't stop them. It wasn't the defense that didn't sustain drives. The D score to give us the lead.
Dunno, I see lots of hindsight geniuses.
nothing average about those 2 backs, Penny was a stud in college!
Quote: @Kentis said:
@ greediron said:
Look, we bitch about everything after a loss and sometimes after a win. We beat Dallas with a specific game plan to not let them get Elliot going. But Dak put up huge numbers. But we won.
Now we have a specific game plan to not let Wilson beat us deep and make their average backs beat us. And it was working. We had the lead at half and got the ball to start the 3rd Q. But the offense failed in that quarter. No drives, fumble, INT (shouldn't have been) and somehow we are surprised Seattle scored off those? And we give up a huge gain on a fake punt? Who was responsible there? It wasn't the defense that didn't stop them. It wasn't the defense that didn't sustain drives. The D score to give us the lead.
Dunno, I see lots of hindsight geniuses.
nothing average about those 2 backs, Penny was a stud in college!
he couldn't beat out Carson for most of this year.
I would say, most seahawk fans couldn't name their top two running backs. But the 12s (IQ) probably still think it is Lynch, so that doesn't prove much.
Quote: @greediron said:
Look, we bitch about everything after a loss and sometimes after a win. We beat Dallas with a specific game plan to not let them get Elliot going. But Dak put up huge numbers. But we won.
Now we have a specific game plan to not let Wilson beat us deep and make their average backs beat us. And it was working. We had the lead at half and got the ball to start the 3rd Q. But the offense failed in that quarter. No drives, fumble, INT (shouldn't have been) and somehow we are surprised Seattle scored off those? And we give up a huge gain on a fake punt? Who was responsible there? It wasn't the defense that didn't stop them. It wasn't the defense that didn't sustain drives. The D score to give us the lead.
Dunno, I see lots of hindsight geniuses.
LOL! Um, their AVERAGE back smoked this vaunted defense for over 200 yards.
And bitching about fumbles?!! What about the 2 fluke plays that gave the Vikings 14 points? That volleyball play by Wilson and the OBVIOUS, ridiculous coverage breakdown that allowed Turdwell's TD....or are you going to claim that was some incredible route running by Laquan...or some unbelievable play by Cousins?
The Vikings got beat by a superior team, as usual. Without the uncharacteristic errors by the Seahawks, this is another primetime beatdown. Only losers take solace in losses somehow being moral victories.
I feel bad for you, DB. You've crossed the line from devoted fan to idiot. Not sure your limited intellect will allow you to recover, but I'll pray for you.
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Agreed. The offense wasn't good for much of the game. The good news is that they were resilient and clawed back into the game. They didn't go into a shell.
Some of that may be on our OC. I think when Dalvin struggles, Stef takes a while to find a track and get Cousins going. They thrive when they go into the hurry up. Need to figure that out sooner. But we were winning to start the 3rd, but yes, the offense wasn't clicking. The Defense gave us the score to put us ahead.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Fun with stats: we can really do this all day. Cousins wasn't the issue:
- Seattle rushed for 218 yards.
- 24 first downs for Seattle
- Minnesota allowed 444 total yards
- Minus 1 in the turnover battle
- 39:15 to 20:15 in time of possession
Quote: @silverjoel said:
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous post. You can make that same rating-against-common-opponent argument with every QB in the NFL. You can make it look like Ryan Tannehill is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. You can make it look like Jameis Winston is a better QB than Drew Brees. It's utterly meaningless.
Vikings were down 34 to 17 with 13 minutes left. Cousins, despite no Adam Thielen, the loss of his starting back and his left tackle, and a defense that couldn't stop anyone, and a ridiculous pass rush by the Seahawks who knew we had to pass, brought the team back to 34 to 30 with 7 minutes left. That ain't garbage time; it's called a comeback.
You can use stats to tell any story you want, but if you actually watch the game, you'll see Cousins making some clutch throws at key moments. He is the reason the game was close. The defense is the reason we lost. Cousins didn't give up 400 yards, he didn't give up a fake punt or a blown coverage TD. Hell, even his pick was a ball that Diggs should've caught. He played a helluva game.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ silverjoel said:
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous post. You can make that same rating-against-common-opponent argument with every QB in the NFL. You can make it look like Ryan Tannehill is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. You can make it look like Jameis Winston is a better QB than Drew Brees. It's utterly meaningless.
Vikings were down 34 to 17 with 13 minutes left. Cousins, despite no Adam Thielen, the loss of his starting back and his left tackle, and a defense that couldn't stop anyone, and a ridiculous pass rush by the Seahawks who knew we had to pass, brought the team back to 34 to 30 with 7 minutes left. That ain't garbage time; it's called a comeback.
You can use stats to tell any story you want, but if you actually watch the game, you'll see Cousins making some clutch throws at key moments. He is the reason the game was close. The defense is the reason we lost. Cousins didn't give up 400 yards, he didn't give up a fake punt or a blown coverage TD. Hell, even his pick was a ball that Diggs should've caught. He played a helluva game. He played a helluva 4th Quarter. He had two scoring drives in the first 3 quarters. The INT wasn't his fault, but lets not say this was Kirk's best game. It wasn't. But as I said above, the resilience is a new thing. The ability to bring a team back after it looked like the game was over. I like that!
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ silverjoel said:
The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
After the Bears game, there was too much hate directed at Cousins. Like I don't want the Vikings to extend him and even I felt there was an uncomfortable amount of hate thrown at him, he's not a bad QB.
Now, it's the opposite. Everything is overlooked. The Vikings offense scored 10 points before their first drive started in the 4th. Cousins' numbers at that time were 16/25 for 155 yards (6.2 YPA and the vast majority of that was YAC), 1 INT and a passer rating of 64.6. Hell, even counting the INT as an incompletion because apparently no QB ever throws INTs in tight coverage and it's all the WR's fault, his passer rating was 81.3.
The first half offense wasn't very good, but not too bad (10 points and not much TOP), and the 3rd quarter offense was horrendous. Those drives were:
3 plays (4 yards) and a punt
1 play (0 yards) and a fumble
5 plays (27 yards) and a punt
2 plays (0 yards) and an INT
That's where the Vikings lost.
Now, Cousins finished with a passer rating of 87.2. Let's see how other QBs did with passer rating on the road against Seattle:
Dalton - 106.5
Bridgewater - 112.7
Goff - 83.3
Jackson - 69.4 (I don't know if this one should count as he had 116 yards rushing and a rushing TD that doesn't get counted, but oh well)
Winston - 103.9
I wouldn't say Cousins had a good game. Down 3 scores in the 4th was considered garbage time, just like @Bears last year. I guess it's not now.
Fun with stats: we can really do this all day. Cousins wasn't the issue:
- Seattle rushed for 218 yards.
- 24 first downs for Seattle
- Minnesota allowed 444 total yards
- Minus 1 in the turnover battle
- 39:15 to 20:15 in time of possession
The Vikings had 4 drives in the 3rd quarter. They held the ball for 4:47. There's -5 minutes right there (Seahawks about 10 minutes and Vikings about 5 minutes for the quarter). Not only that, but they gave the Seahawks 2 drives that started in FG range (Vikings 25 and 26, although that last one was the first play of the 4th). Later in the fourth, the offense turned over on downs and gave the Seahawks a drive that started at the Vikings 42. That's 3 drives where the Seahawks were gifted points by the offense. Even if you think the defense shouldn't give up a single yard, that's still 6 points.
Hell, in the first half (when I'm assuming you think the offense was doing well), they only held the ball for 10:20. There's like +9 minutes to Seattle right there. Did the defense play bad in the first half?
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