Barr staying?

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Fun fact: after the debacle vs the Rams, Barr gave up 88 yards in pass coverage the rest of the year...

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https://twitter.com/Purple_Post/status/1...82528?s=19

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Bullet dodged.

That wasn't a moniker entry.

Barr, I'd like to say I'm happy both of you are back "in camp"!

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I pictured Zim doing this


And Rick saying "OK, but no LBs in the first round..

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The moniker needs to officially be renamed rebarr---reinforces a our D going forward

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Fun fact: after the debacle vs the Rams, Barr gave up 88 yards in pass coverage the rest of the year...

I think there was a general shift in the entire defense after that game.  Zim adjusted midseason and got the best out of his players.  Again.

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@greediron said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Fun fact: after the debacle vs the Rams, Barr gave up 88 yards in pass coverage the rest of the year...

I think there was a general shift in the entire defense after that game.  Zim adjusted midseason and got the best out of his players.  Again.

And that also included dealing with RBs catching passes out of the backfield, on wheel routes, etc.

I think Ant Harris being a better cover Safety than Sendejo also helped.

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@greediron said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Fun fact: after the debacle vs the Rams, Barr gave up 88 yards in pass coverage the rest of the year...

I think there was a general shift in the entire defense after that game.  Zim adjusted midseason and got the best out of his players.  Again.

They had changed their coverage concepts and after the Rams game they went back closer to what they were doing in 2016 & 17. I think the change was driven a lot by what happened against the 2nd half against NO and in the NFCCG vs Philadelphia. It just didn't work. The Vikings run a lot of very complicated coverage concepts but you need everyone on the same page or it breaks down really badly. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@greediron said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Fun fact: after the debacle vs the Rams, Barr gave up 88 yards in pass coverage the rest of the year...

I think there was a general shift in the entire defense after that game.  Zim adjusted midseason and got the best out of his players.  Again.

They had changed their coverage concepts and after the Rams game they went back closer to what they were doing in 2016 & 17. I think the change was driven a lot by what happened against the 2nd half against NO and in the NFCCG vs Philadelphia. It just didn't work. The Vikings run a lot of very complicated coverage concepts but you need everyone on the same page or it breaks down really badly. 

Philly wasn't people not being on the same page, it was reading from the wrong book.  Philly changed their offense and after the Pick 6, got aggressive with some double moves.  our D was camping on the short RPO stuff based on the film we had of them. They rarely threw downfield during the year with Foles, but changed that up in the playoffs.
As to the changes last year, some of it had to do with adjusting to the change in coverage rules.  We couldn't just trust that X was going to lock down the #1 guy.  And as FSU sez, there was something breaking down on the RBs and TEs early in the season.  Whatever that was, Zim got it fixed.  That is why I am such a Zimmer defender.

Offseason changes instead of relying on what worked last year (and is on film).  Half-time in game adjustments, as any good coach should be able to do.  In season scheme adjustments to fix what isn't working.  The guy is a genius in the scheme department, but also can recognize what isn't working and isn't afraid to change his scheme.

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Correct, Greed. Also, Hughes and Hill were getting plenty of time early. Rhodes, Waynes, Alexander, Barr and Kendricks were learning a new scheme that was part Man AND part zone with specific hand-off points in terms of responsibility.

And then you throw two Rookies into the mix. Yikes! 

But Mike's idea was right.

You guys remember many years back when Rahgers, Manning, Brees and Brady were just dissecting Zone Coverages so teams finally started drafting bigger, more athletic CBs and playing a lot more Man?

With spread, pick plays, misdirection at the Line, etc., now scheming guys open against Man I noticed a TON of teams going with a lot more Zone looks, which really seemed to slow those high octane Offenses down the 2nd half of the season.

I think it affected the young guys like Goff and Mahomes the most as they're  used to seeing guys beat man coverage and now all the sudden they're staring at a zone instead and don't have the fundamental understanding of where the natural holes are like the older QBs.

I expect Zimmer to go back to the hybrid look again but with greater success since he hopefully won't be relying on 2 Rookies to be involved in the learning curve.